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Is it that much of a turn-off when a man never had a GF?

254 replies

SharpMember · 27/12/2024 18:27

The only sex I ever had was what I paid for at age 30 after trying to get it the normal way all my life. I paid for it until I was like 34 but after that age it’s been the same as it was in my 20s. I am 39 now and still single simply because I lack experience in real relationships.

should I give up?

OP posts:
Lancrelady80 · 28/12/2024 01:31

Oh dear, paying for sex and admitting that was a HUGE mistake.

I have a dear friend very like you, just a couple of years younger, but who has never paid for it and never would. It has pained me to watch him - when he is attracted to someone he is like a puppy, so desperately eager to see her, to talk to her. It's just too much and always, always scares them off. He cannot see it and cannot help himself. He's ready all the books, researched the right things to do / say on dates ... but it's all messed up by how overly keen he clearly is to do things right. It's too intense and a bit off-putting. His self-esteem is shot to bits as a result.

He has recently been spending a lot of time (no ulterior motive, purely platonic) with a female friend who has had a rough time. They've known each other for a good ten years or more, with her both as part of a couple and single. No romantic thoughts for each other at all. He's just helping her out where he can. But having seen how easy and happy they were in each other's company at the pub on Christmas Eve, there's definitely been a change. Tbh, I don't even know if he's realised yet - but they certainly are giving off couple vibes which haven't been there previously. I'll eat my hat if there's not a kiss between them by New Year! I'm certainly rooting for them, they would make a lovely couple from what I've seen of them together.

The difference? He's not putting on an act and trying to impress her. He's relaxed around her and vice versa. It's just strengthened and changing feelings grown naturally over time from a friendship, between two people who genuinely like and understand each other.Because it's been a slow burner, she's not been scared off, because he's just been himself around her, with no underlying thing of "I want a kiss / hope to see you again / would love sex" at the front of his mind getting in the way and actually reducing the likelihood of any of those happening - because he doesn't/ didn't think like that about her. Until recently, it would appear!

There is hope for you op - but don't put so much pressure on yourself that you come off as desperate/ pathetic. Chill out and look for someone you click with as a person, rather than searching for "the one" or "someone who'll sleep with me." If you're at all like my friend, you need to build that close relationship with a woman first. Then the rest may follow. Chase the sex and you could well end up alone for good.

And do NOT pay for it again - you will definitely put someone off for a myriad of reasons if that comes out.

SharpMember · 28/12/2024 01:47

Lancrelady80 · 28/12/2024 01:31

Oh dear, paying for sex and admitting that was a HUGE mistake.

I have a dear friend very like you, just a couple of years younger, but who has never paid for it and never would. It has pained me to watch him - when he is attracted to someone he is like a puppy, so desperately eager to see her, to talk to her. It's just too much and always, always scares them off. He cannot see it and cannot help himself. He's ready all the books, researched the right things to do / say on dates ... but it's all messed up by how overly keen he clearly is to do things right. It's too intense and a bit off-putting. His self-esteem is shot to bits as a result.

He has recently been spending a lot of time (no ulterior motive, purely platonic) with a female friend who has had a rough time. They've known each other for a good ten years or more, with her both as part of a couple and single. No romantic thoughts for each other at all. He's just helping her out where he can. But having seen how easy and happy they were in each other's company at the pub on Christmas Eve, there's definitely been a change. Tbh, I don't even know if he's realised yet - but they certainly are giving off couple vibes which haven't been there previously. I'll eat my hat if there's not a kiss between them by New Year! I'm certainly rooting for them, they would make a lovely couple from what I've seen of them together.

The difference? He's not putting on an act and trying to impress her. He's relaxed around her and vice versa. It's just strengthened and changing feelings grown naturally over time from a friendship, between two people who genuinely like and understand each other.Because it's been a slow burner, she's not been scared off, because he's just been himself around her, with no underlying thing of "I want a kiss / hope to see you again / would love sex" at the front of his mind getting in the way and actually reducing the likelihood of any of those happening - because he doesn't/ didn't think like that about her. Until recently, it would appear!

There is hope for you op - but don't put so much pressure on yourself that you come off as desperate/ pathetic. Chill out and look for someone you click with as a person, rather than searching for "the one" or "someone who'll sleep with me." If you're at all like my friend, you need to build that close relationship with a woman first. Then the rest may follow. Chase the sex and you could well end up alone for good.

And do NOT pay for it again - you will definitely put someone off for a myriad of reasons if that comes out.

I met one such woman. She ended up turning me down because of never having had sex.

OP posts:
Lancrelady80 · 28/12/2024 01:49

But see, how would that even come up in conversation? Why would it? There's no need.

ABunchOfBadBitches · 28/12/2024 01:51

I can’t be a man’s first bad b sorry

SharpMember · 28/12/2024 01:58

ABunchOfBadBitches · 28/12/2024 01:51

I can’t be a man’s first bad b sorry

I mean technically you wouldn’t with me

OP posts:
SharpMember · 28/12/2024 01:59

Lancrelady80 · 28/12/2024 01:49

But see, how would that even come up in conversation? Why would it? There's no need.

I didn’t want to risk destroying a good thing by sucking in bed

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ABunchOfBadBitches · 28/12/2024 02:03

SharpMember · 28/12/2024 01:58

I mean technically you wouldn’t with me

But the bad b’s that you’ve experienced, you’ve paid for their time. I meant that I couldn’t be someone’s first bad b relationship wise. The sex doesn’t matter that much really, things can be learned. Just giving my reasoning anyway🤷‍♀️

Lancrelady80 · 28/12/2024 02:05

So what actually happened then is you self-sabotaged due to low self-esteem. You would have been better just seeing where things went naturally.

But as you say, sex isn't an issue now. So it's about making connections, friendships, easy interactions without all the time having "I want sex" at the forefront of your mind.

SharpMember · 28/12/2024 02:08

ABunchOfBadBitches · 28/12/2024 02:03

But the bad b’s that you’ve experienced, you’ve paid for their time. I meant that I couldn’t be someone’s first bad b relationship wise. The sex doesn’t matter that much really, things can be learned. Just giving my reasoning anyway🤷‍♀️

just curious, what if it was a guy you knew very well for 12 years?

OP posts:
Lancrelady80 · 28/12/2024 02:12

If you've known each other that long then she probably already knows what you're like and what your dating history is like.

Question is, is there that connection?

ABunchOfBadBitches · 28/12/2024 02:12

SharpMember · 28/12/2024 02:08

just curious, what if it was a guy you knew very well for 12 years?

If it’s someone I knew for a considerable amount of time and I had feelings for them, I’d see where it went. I’d maybe be a bit cautious but that’s probably it

Lancrelady80 · 28/12/2024 02:13

ABunchOfBadBitches · 28/12/2024 02:12

If it’s someone I knew for a considerable amount of time and I had feelings for them, I’d see where it went. I’d maybe be a bit cautious but that’s probably it

Yes!!!

That's what I'm seeing with my friend.

SharpMember · 28/12/2024 02:25

Lancrelady80 · 28/12/2024 02:12

If you've known each other that long then she probably already knows what you're like and what your dating history is like.

Question is, is there that connection?

There was. She was astoundingly beautiful and that was honestly a shame. She had so many options, but she was also the one I connected with best.

OP posts:
SereneCapybara · 28/12/2024 10:00

NobleDeeds · 27/12/2024 23:31

As is the fact the OP appears to be unable to distinguish between ‘having sex’ and ‘a relationship’. Ugh.

Yes. This. OP needs to understand this is the problem. I know a lot of men who are not conventionally attractive or socially confident, who have LTRs with lovely women who appreciate these men for who they are. It is perfectly possible to have a good relationship with a woman if you are a nice man. But I find lots of the men who think they are too nice are actually clearly only interested in getting a girlfriend/having sex with zero interest in the woman or appreciation of what her needs or desires might be as an autonomous human being.

DatingDinosaur · 28/12/2024 12:16

"She was astoundingly beautiful and that was honestly a shame. She had so many options, but she was also the one I connected with best."

Given the way you're fixating on sex, she probably realised that you was was lusting after her. Any deeper connection you may felt you had was driven by your loins.

SporadicMincePieMuncher · 28/12/2024 12:34

What is your relationship like with other people, OP?

Your parents? Siblings? Friends? Colleagues?

NobleDeeds · 28/12/2024 12:39

SharpMember · 28/12/2024 02:25

There was. She was astoundingly beautiful and that was honestly a shame. She had so many options, but she was also the one I connected with best.

You express yourself quite strangely, OP. What are you saying here? That it was a shame she was astoundingly beautiful? That it was a shame the astounding beauty had so many options? That it was a shame the astounding beauty didn’t choose you out of her available options?

What do you bring to a potential relationship? Leaving aside inexperience. What do you bring to friendships? Do you have good friendships?

NobleDeeds · 28/12/2024 12:40

SporadicMincePieMuncher · 28/12/2024 12:34

What is your relationship like with other people, OP?

Your parents? Siblings? Friends? Colleagues?

Yes, this is a key question.

YouveGotAFastCar · 28/12/2024 12:47

The lack of relationship would be a concern, but not one that couldn't be overcome. I'd be concerned about your ability to learn the skills that you need in a relationship at 39, and I'm not sure that at this stage of my life, I'd want to be teaching that. I also think you learn a lot from those early relationships that feel heavy with passion and then find your morals on things like cheating, compromising, learning to live together, etc. Not that all young people cheat; but most will have been in a situation where they'll learn if they would or not.

But the paying for sex would be an absolute no for me, and it's pretty horrific that people on here are advising you not to tell someone, because you need to find someone who is okay with that fact - not telling them doesn't mean that it didn't happen, and if they ever find out, that could be your whole relationship down the drain.

The way that you describe her is also pretty creepy. She was more than willing? She was being paid. You have no idea if she was trafficked, but even if she wasn't and she chose her career, she had sex with you because you paid her too, not because she wanted to, or because she wanted sex. It was because you paid her.

HPandthelastwish · 28/12/2024 12:48

The only reason men remain single is that they have shitty social skills, poor hygiene, poor communication skills, or only go for women 'out of their league'.

First you need to get an STI test
Then you need to join groups of things you are interested in, a sport, an art or craft, a conservation group what ever.
Then you need to go there regularly for months and get to know people and develop friendships.
Then, you'll eventually get to meet other singles either through your friends there or through their friends.

Whilst you are doing that work on other things in your control to increase your chances, you don't need to be Brad Pitt or a body builder, but good hygiene, clean teeth even if not straight, a bodyweight in the healthy / slightly over weight category. A job and regular income. A clean and welcoming home etc. Women want a man who isn't a project, that can take care of themselves, and will be an equal partner these things will help put that out there. You need to demonstrate what you actually bring to a relationship before getting into one. Why should a women pick you over someone else?

However, regardless of how nice or well meaning you are the moment I heard that you had ever paid for sex that would be a massive no from me.

BobbyBiscuits · 28/12/2024 12:53

You're not single because you've always been single. You don't necessarily need to tell people immediately that you've not had a partner.

You must lack confidence in other ways. Do you enjoy speaking to women as equals, listening to their opinions and points of view? Are you polite and kind to strangers? Do you have a good relationship with your family? Hobbies/ interests/ plenty of friends of both sexes?
These things might play more a part in how attractive you appear to others.

But of course you shouldn't 'give up'. Definitely think about what you might have been doing wrong in the past though.

And stop sleeping with prostitutes. It's not healthy and won't help you get a partner IRL. Far from it, the opposite is probably true.

Shubbypubby · 28/12/2024 13:13

Why are you single? You need to get to the root cause of the problem.

Have you tried all usual dating avenues? Have you asked out a lot of women and been turned down? Has lack of confidence/shyness stopped you asking women out? Do you have women as friends but not as partners? Do you socialise a lot/are you confident generally? Do you have a good job? Your own house? Is there something physically that causes you to lack confidence/ height, weight etc? Are you ND? Do you have mental health problems?

You need to examine what it is that's meant you've been single all these years and tackle that.

SharpMember · 28/12/2024 18:27

YouveGotAFastCar · 28/12/2024 12:47

The lack of relationship would be a concern, but not one that couldn't be overcome. I'd be concerned about your ability to learn the skills that you need in a relationship at 39, and I'm not sure that at this stage of my life, I'd want to be teaching that. I also think you learn a lot from those early relationships that feel heavy with passion and then find your morals on things like cheating, compromising, learning to live together, etc. Not that all young people cheat; but most will have been in a situation where they'll learn if they would or not.

But the paying for sex would be an absolute no for me, and it's pretty horrific that people on here are advising you not to tell someone, because you need to find someone who is okay with that fact - not telling them doesn't mean that it didn't happen, and if they ever find out, that could be your whole relationship down the drain.

The way that you describe her is also pretty creepy. She was more than willing? She was being paid. You have no idea if she was trafficked, but even if she wasn't and she chose her career, she had sex with you because you paid her too, not because she wanted to, or because she wanted sex. It was because you paid her.

Why tell? It’s a secret I wish to take to the grave.

Everyone has things they’d rather not share.

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SharpMember · 28/12/2024 18:30

DatingDinosaur · 28/12/2024 12:16

"She was astoundingly beautiful and that was honestly a shame. She had so many options, but she was also the one I connected with best."

Given the way you're fixating on sex, she probably realised that you was was lusting after her. Any deeper connection you may felt you had was driven by your loins.

I knew her for 23 years and I still care for her. Even now

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LilacRaven · 28/12/2024 18:41

SharpMember · 27/12/2024 22:56

It’s only because all other avenues failed (besides going for women I’m not attracted to and making it up)

How does that make it ok or any better?

Doesn't make a difference if you are god's gift to women or a virgin. Paying for sex is paying for sex.

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