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December 2024 - but we took you to Stately Homes

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AttilaTheMeerkat · 19/12/2024 11:07

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Dogaredabomb · 08/02/2025 15:33

I think an overt would be like my mother screaming in public and generally viewed as odd by more enlightened normals. Unaware that her behaviour is totally out of whack. For instance 😂 screaming 'sack the chef' and expecting it to happen if she doesn't like a restaurant.

Coverts are sly and manage their social standing and work to make you look bad. Probably to pre empt you blowing the whistle on them socially.

You know how a toddler wants smarties and NOTHING ELSE MATTERS that's what they are.

Mum's hairdresser had a day off and mum wanted to talk to her, but she wasn't at the salon. Mum screamed her head off hysterically and searched the salon

Happyfarm · 08/02/2025 15:52

Dogaredabomb · 08/02/2025 15:33

I think an overt would be like my mother screaming in public and generally viewed as odd by more enlightened normals. Unaware that her behaviour is totally out of whack. For instance 😂 screaming 'sack the chef' and expecting it to happen if she doesn't like a restaurant.

Coverts are sly and manage their social standing and work to make you look bad. Probably to pre empt you blowing the whistle on them socially.

You know how a toddler wants smarties and NOTHING ELSE MATTERS that's what they are.

Mum's hairdresser had a day off and mum wanted to talk to her, but she wasn't at the salon. Mum screamed her head off hysterically and searched the salon

Coverts sounds more manipulative and knowing and much more malignant.

Dogaredabomb · 08/02/2025 15:54

I completely agree, I think coverts are much more damaging because they mess with your mind more.

Happyfarm · 08/02/2025 16:03

Dogaredabomb · 08/02/2025 15:54

I completely agree, I think coverts are much more damaging because they mess with your mind more.

Perhaps it’s because they weren’t pretty enough or have enough money or enough confidence to be overt. It’s easy to spot those overt ones and you know where you stand.

Dogaredabomb · 08/02/2025 16:06

No it's not that I don't think. I think the overts are less evolved. I think my Mum thought she loved us but was so disordered (toddler/smarties) that she was unable to take a rational, never mind selfless, viewpoint on anything at all.

Dogaredabomb · 08/02/2025 16:09

I think the coverts burn with hatred, covetousnous and jealousy. But they're smart enough to know that those are emotions that are unpalatable. Have you ever had a passive aggressive boyfriend? They do weird covert things until you snap then they can say that you're 'crazy'. Same bullshit.

Happyfarm · 08/02/2025 16:13

Dogaredabomb · 08/02/2025 16:09

I think the coverts burn with hatred, covetousnous and jealousy. But they're smart enough to know that those are emotions that are unpalatable. Have you ever had a passive aggressive boyfriend? They do weird covert things until you snap then they can say that you're 'crazy'. Same bullshit.

I suppose it’s down to personality and how much they want to remain hidden. It’s like they want attention but they don’t want to look like they want attention. Whereas overts don’t mind looking showy. Maybe the personality is like normal people who are introvert or extrovert.

Dogaredabomb · 08/02/2025 16:37

I think it's based on social intelligence and maybe just pure intelligence. The overts don't understand or notice that everyone looks horrified.

Happyfarm · 08/02/2025 17:29

My ex was an overt, he’d just say he didn’t give a f..k if people were looking at him. My partners mum is very intelligent, sits on heads of boards and committees. The thing is she uses all people and their experiences in relation to her. So if you tell her you struggling with something instead of saying I’m sorry that sounds hard she will tell you she found it easy and to do it her way. I guess some people would take her as someone to look up to and aspire to but I see someone who uses people and their experiences and vulnerabilities to make herself look better. We share vulnerabilities to connect not so the other person gets a little superior hit.

TorroFerney · 09/02/2025 12:00

Dogaredabomb · 08/02/2025 12:15

Mum used to copy set phrases that she thought were clever. For instance she had heard someone saying that they'd said to their adult dc 'only bring me good news'. Then she'd parrot the same phrase. Always attributing it to this long ago person.

She liked the sound of the phrase but I doubt had thought through what it actually means.

Having adult dc myself I would very much like to hear only good news, but only if there genuinely was only good news.

If you can't turn to your parents in dire straits then who's on your side?

Mine has/had phrases. If as a kid she was hurting me brushing my hair she’d say „pride must abide“ band aid /ethiopian famine or anything with non white people „life’s cheap“ any upset as a teenager „it’s hard growing up“ yes it is so help me!

TorroFerney · 09/02/2025 12:03

Dogaredabomb · 08/02/2025 13:55

It's boring though isn't it, making casserole, stocking someone's fridge, babysitting their toddler. Listening again to their woes about being divorced, bankrupt, having cancer. They find it boring.

Yes I think that’s it, my mum finds admin like car insurance, house insurance boring and I think she thinks someone else should do it. Which used to be me before I saw the light. She’s now absurdly proud of herself when she does the simplest of tasks.

Happyfarm · 09/02/2025 13:20

So basically they will only do something if they get something out of it. We only get visited if it ties in with something they need to do this way. They will also for example look after a dog but not a gerbil because they like dogs. They will socialise via shared hobbies only because they like those shared hobbies. It’s very covert if you don’t know about narcissism. You end up mirroring and sharing all the same hobbies and interests or doing things for them in order to gain some bloody attention from your family.

Dogaredabomb · 09/02/2025 13:46

TorroFerney · 09/02/2025 12:03

Yes I think that’s it, my mum finds admin like car insurance, house insurance boring and I think she thinks someone else should do it. Which used to be me before I saw the light. She’s now absurdly proud of herself when she does the simplest of tasks.

Omg at one stage I had folders and folders of their life admin! Any post they received they'd scrawl my name and a note like 'dog contact and tell to reinvest' 😂 like an unpaid PA

Dogaredabomb · 09/02/2025 13:50

It was VERY satisfying throwing away all their paperwork. I threw away most photos too. Bags and bags of stuff, birthday cards, everything.

Anyone looking after the narcs please consider not doing it. Truly, I wish I'd had the guts.

Dogaredabomb · 09/02/2025 13:52

I would struggle to look after a lot of animals though, gerbils 🤢 snakes 🤮 mice 🤮 cats 🙄 dogs ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️

Happyfarm · 09/02/2025 13:56

Dogaredabomb · 09/02/2025 13:52

I would struggle to look after a lot of animals though, gerbils 🤢 snakes 🤮 mice 🤮 cats 🙄 dogs ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️

Was only a couple of days, chuck in food, fill bottle and that’s that. But you’d do it for your grandchild just because you love them no? Not saying you’d have a loving fulfilling few days but I can’t see it being a huge issue. Other sons dog for a week, no problem.

Dogaredabomb · 09/02/2025 13:57

I would do it but it would be a labour of love 😂

Happyfarm · 09/02/2025 13:59

Dogaredabomb · 09/02/2025 13:57

I would do it but it would be a labour of love 😂

Exactly, ours refused to even drive 10 mins to chuck food in the cage once. If my dad was here nothing would have been too much, I miss him.

MonkeyfromManchester · 09/02/2025 14:48

The shadows the abusers cast…

I was a regular - and almost hourly poster during the very grimmest moments - here from 2020 until the death of my absolutely emotionally rancid mother in law The Hag in Feb 2024 at the age of 86.

It was the anniversary of her death yesterday.

In summary, she was violent, emotionally violent and coercive to her children, one of whom is my amazing partner Mr Monkey, a nicer and kinder man you could not hope to meet despite a truly dreadful childhood.

The other two are 1) Golden Boy, who carried on the cycle of abuse to his wife (who is now ex but continues to be my much loved SIL) ramping it up and adding in sexual violence, porn addiction, use of prostitutes, financial coercion, class A drugs, financial embezzlement, and walking out on his two sons with no contact with his children, or The Hag the mother he purported to worship and 2) Slave Son, who was The Hag’s stepson and whipping boy. He has MS and from the 1980s onwards was her servant, running around after her and was entitled to no life of his own. She would do things like scream at him at at Tesco and it wasn’t uncommon for him who was medically retired to receive up to 18 calls a day.

As Slave Son got more infirm, Mr Monkey was increasingly being lined up as carer. The Hag had a very strategic plan as to how her remaining old age would be spent. I was not factored into those plans. She disliked both her daughters in law as we were seen as rivals and/or collateral damage.

We endured 12 weeks of the Hag living - rather, malignly squatting - with us for 12 weeks overall across 2020 - 2023 due to Covid, broken wrists, repairs on her flat.

The woman was pure evil. It put unbearable pressure on me. Mr Monkey went into some very dark places from her greater proximity by her being here and the battle of wills of resisting her demands and again having to endure horrible emotional abuse for which he had trauma informed therapy for his CPTSD.

SOMEHOW. Somehow, we got through it. He’s in a good place. He doesn’t have violent nightmares anymore - all through his life he had a least five a week - and is much less tense and more self-confident.

The support here and us both going separately to seek professional support saved us as people and as a couple.

Being able to talk openly here was my lifeline.

A huge thank you.

And yet the shadows these MALIGN FUCKERS cast…

Of my two nephews aged 23 and 21, there’s damage there.

The eldest has mild learning disabilities which means he’s never going to be fully independent and sister in law with no £ or emotional support from Golden Boy has managed to buy the boys a flat, so Nephew Number 1 will always have a place to live.

Golden Boy once promised to meet uo with him and then stood him up. Nephew 1 blames himself for the divorce as he told mummy about the ‘pretty ladies’ in the family pool (ex-pat lifestyle) who were the prostitutes GB brought to the family home when sister in law was in her home country burying her father. Poor lad can’t compute how the split of the family is not his fault.

Nephew 2 seems to have it all - very smart, very good looking, funny - but is very damaged, but hides it.

Last week he tried to take his own life, which has been very, very, very hard. He’s doing ok and now has a good package of support in place.

What has come out has his deep hurt and anger about the rejection by his father and feeling his mum wasn’t there all the time for him as she was working. She was, basically, holding the finances together as there was no money from his missing in action piece of shit father.

They’re getting through it. I feel so SO SO off the scale angry of the toxicity reaching the nephews.

Happyfarm · 09/02/2025 14:58

@MonkeyfromManchester that sounds awful and she sounded terrible. It is so insidious and toxic, sickly toxic that touches everyone in the inner circle. They are such selfish and destructive pieces of s**t. 😔

StripyMug · 09/02/2025 14:59

@MonkeyfromManchester Well done you & Mr M for getting through what sounds like a hideous time.
It ripples out, doesn't it. Some people just really shouldn't be allowed to have children.

binkie163 · 09/02/2025 15:31

Hi @MonkeyfromManchester so sorry to hear about your nephew. I honestly think children exposed to toxicity soak it up like a sponge, they can't help it. We always say on this thread keep the children away from it because the damage happens young. It takes us adults years to be able to open the can of worms and look at how fucked up it is. Sending you, Mr monkey, sil and your nephew love ❤️ just when you thought it was all over.
People completely underestimate generational trauma.
Golden bollocks was always a cunt even over the funeral, an absolute twat.

StripyMug · 09/02/2025 19:00

@binkie163 You are so right about generational trauma. I come across it a lot at work and it makes me so angry for the kids I work with.

MonkeyfromManchester · 09/02/2025 19:55

Thank uou @Happyfarm & @StripyMug

@binkie163 thank you so much. Generational trauma is the worse.

Thankfully, The Hag because of some as yet undiagnosed batshittery didn’t spend time with the grandsons, but, as you say, the damage was done via Golden Bollocks and visited on his wife and children.

And, of course, Golden Bollocks has wife number two and a daughter. More damage incoming.

The thing that has made us all laugh is in the revelations from Nephew 2 on just how terrible he feels is that, although it was very clear that he did not want his father pretending everything was happy jolly families at The Hag’s funeral, Dear Papa/Golden Bollocks kept following Nephew 2 round the room like a puppy at the wake trying to “have a chat, mate.”

Until Nephew 2 told him very quietly to “get the fuck away from me and my brother or I will put a chair through your head.”

His Dear Papa scuttled away.

We missed this gem.

but, of course, Dear Papa is still desperately trying to contact Nephew 1.

Ageing. Crap health. Skint. Needy. Has a seven year old daughter from the crossover relationship. Wife has no family here in the UK.

Pretty obvious, isn’t it?

Fuckpig.

CheekySnake · 09/02/2025 19:56

Definitely intergenerational trauma in my family. I am trying desperately hard for it to end with me.

@MonkeyfromManchester glad to hear you're doing well. X.

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