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Do you feel guilty for having an affair?

361 replies

fantalemom · 27/11/2024 00:11

I'm pretty sure I'm going to hell for this one.

Around a year ago I met a man on fab swingers. I was only looking for a bit of fun and we seemed to get on well. He made it clear that he was married which I chose to ignore. It's not the first time he's had an affair. He cheated on his wife when they lived in London, she found out, forgave him and they moved back to my home town. They only live around the corner.

We ended up seeing each other for around 4 months. I liked him, but I wasn't in love with him. It was mostly sexual chemistry and the thrill I think. He became very clingy towards the end, constantly texting, double texting if I didn't reply quick enough. It felt like having a controlling boyfriend and I got the "ick". I realised how pathetic he was. I ended up blocking him with no explanation and haven't spoken to him since. I think about him sometimes and feel guilty. His wife deserves better, that goes without saying. It's not something I would entertain again and I'd be heartbroken if my partner/husband did betrayed me like that.

I can't punish myself forever though, can I? How did you make peace with it?

OP posts:
CoffeeDogwalkTennis · 29/11/2024 00:38

Let’s get one thing straight ladies. The husband in this case cheated on his wife, it’s on him. The OW was single, free to date with whomever she wanted.
End of story.

TwistedWonder · 29/11/2024 00:55

CoffeeDogwalkTennis · 29/11/2024 00:38

Let’s get one thing straight ladies. The husband in this case cheated on his wife, it’s on him. The OW was single, free to date with whomever she wanted.
End of story.

Decent human beings don’t knowingly fuck married people - so no it’s not ‘end of story’ at all.

And let’s lose this myth that to hold the OW accountable for her sihitty choices is letting the cheating cunt off the hook because not one single person has ever said that he’s not to blame for his own vile disgusting fucking behaviour. Not a single solitary person is blaming women for men’s cheating, that’s another myth. But let’s stop peddling the BS that fucking a married man is absolutely fine and dandy and the behaviour of a decent person.

TipsyJoker · 29/11/2024 01:08

TwistedWonder · 29/11/2024 00:55

Decent human beings don’t knowingly fuck married people - so no it’s not ‘end of story’ at all.

And let’s lose this myth that to hold the OW accountable for her sihitty choices is letting the cheating cunt off the hook because not one single person has ever said that he’s not to blame for his own vile disgusting fucking behaviour. Not a single solitary person is blaming women for men’s cheating, that’s another myth. But let’s stop peddling the BS that fucking a married man is absolutely fine and dandy and the behaviour of a decent person.

👏👏👏👏

ThisSereneEagle · 29/11/2024 03:07

He is not worth any woman's time and has his own karma coming for him but, honestly, I am judging you. There should be a boundary even when you are single... .

CheekyHobson · 29/11/2024 05:07

CoffeeDogwalkTennis · 29/11/2024 00:38

Let’s get one thing straight ladies. The husband in this case cheated on his wife, it’s on him. The OW was single, free to date with whomever she wanted.
End of story.

Oooh gosh, that’s us ladies told them!

TheMauveBeaker · 29/11/2024 05:49

Him being married didn’t bother you at the time, why is it bothering you now it’s over? What exactly do you feel guilty about?

DemiSec9 · 29/11/2024 06:06

The thing is, nobody knows what his marriage is like. Maybe the wife has a string of lovers? Maybe she hates him and is desperate to keep his hands off her and doesn’t care who he has sex with?

I had a brief thing with a married man. He’d been with his wife since they were 20, married for 27 years. They hadn’t been intimate for 15 years, separate bedrooms but got on really well together sort of as friends.

They were both away for long periods of time for work things and both holidayed separately. They kind of both took it for granted that they’d have sex with other people and never discussed it.

Cheating isn’t ALWAYS bad …

Dweetfidilove · 29/11/2024 06:24

OneRubyHare · 27/11/2024 09:23

But without the OW there wouldent be any cheating!

Stop making excuses

Sweet Jesus! Imagine having to rely on women not wanting sex with my husband being the only reason he's faithful 🙄.
A husband who has signed up to a sex site. Poor little cherub has to make do with me, because all the other women have shunned him.

OneRubyHare · 29/11/2024 06:29

Dweetfidilove · 29/11/2024 06:24

Sweet Jesus! Imagine having to rely on women not wanting sex with my husband being the only reason he's faithful 🙄.
A husband who has signed up to a sex site. Poor little cherub has to make do with me, because all the other women have shunned him.

You're being deliberately obtuse

If you get cheated on your attitude will soon fucking change its tune

OneRubyHare · 29/11/2024 06:35

RavenA · 28/11/2024 11:43

The term 'narcissist' is often banded about online. It's all very pop psychology. I'm not qualified to use such terms but when an affair happened to me, I realised that my partner had a somewhat different set of morals to me.

She didn't think that chatting to men online was in itself, wrong. She just thought it was a bit of fun. The only thing she admitted was wrong was actually meeting up with one of them and embarking on a sexual relationship, which lasted the best part of a year.

I appreciate that there was an element of deflection there and measured denial of guilt but ot was one of the weirdest conversations I've ever had with her.

Why did you stay with her though?

She has no respect for you, she didn't care about you enough to have boundaries and self control

Elasticatedtrousers · 29/11/2024 06:42

Two people removed my right to informed sexual consent, NOT ONE. Two people chose to put me at risk of STDs. NOT ONE.

It is very hard for one man who wants to cheat to remove your right to informed sexual consent and put your sexual health at risk on his own.

Affairs are now largely seen as abusive. If you involve yourself in the abuse of another human being whether you know them or not that is wrong.

OneRubyHare · 29/11/2024 06:50

ThatBrickRaven · 28/11/2024 15:26

Oh ffs! You cannot diagnose someone with a personality disorder from the fact they had an affair. You don’t know any of these people personally - nor- I would hazard a guess, are you qualified to do so even if you did know them personally. Loads of people have affairs for loads of reasons - surely you don’t believe every single person involved in an affair from whether married or affair partner is a sociopath or a narcissist?

The sort of shit you are spouting does more harm than good.

www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/narcissistic-personality-disorder-symptoms-diagnosis-and-treatments

Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a mental health condition in which a person may show a pattern of behavior or inner experience that may include:

  • a need for admiration from others
  • a grandiose or excessive sense of self-importance
  • a sense of entitlement
  • a preoccupation with themselves
  • a lack of empathy for others.

Notice how ive highlighted in bold seen as you seem to have trouble reading 🙄Regardless, going for a married man knowing full well he's married shows you have narcissistic tendencies at the very least.

There's some poor women who have posted in this thread describing how their life, health and wellbeing was ruined by being cheated on including one poor woman who picked up STDs from the OW. But you and some others are still defending the OWs like they deserve sympathy. Sick fucks

OneRubyHare · 29/11/2024 06:56

WonderfulUsername · 28/11/2024 17:01

I think your purse analogy is invalid too.

If there's a purse laying on the pavement chock full of £20 notes with someones bank cards etc, anyone with a moral compass would hand it in somewhere, but you decide to take it because well, someone else is going to do anyway. That's your reasoning and logic

The owner of the purse put it on the pavement and invited people to take it.

In other words, this man put himself on the swingers website and invited women to take him.

Edited

Nobody PUTS their purse on the pavement do they 🙄

Dweetfidilove · 29/11/2024 07:21

OneRubyHare · 29/11/2024 06:29

You're being deliberately obtuse

If you get cheated on your attitude will soon fucking change its tune

Nope. I understand clearly and fully disagree with your notion.

I make the choice to be faithful to a partner and not because no-one else is checking for me. I choose to do so, because I respect the relationship and myself enough to not yield to temptation.

I expect the same of a partner. I don't expect that no-one will fancy him or even flirt with him, but I expect him to not make himself available on sex sites and that he will be in control of his dick 🤷🏾‍♀️.

ThatBrickRaven · 29/11/2024 07:28

OneRubyHare · 29/11/2024 06:50

www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/narcissistic-personality-disorder-symptoms-diagnosis-and-treatments

Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) is a mental health condition in which a person may show a pattern of behavior or inner experience that may include:

  • a need for admiration from others
  • a grandiose or excessive sense of self-importance
  • a sense of entitlement
  • a preoccupation with themselves
  • a lack of empathy for others.

Notice how ive highlighted in bold seen as you seem to have trouble reading 🙄Regardless, going for a married man knowing full well he's married shows you have narcissistic tendencies at the very least.

There's some poor women who have posted in this thread describing how their life, health and wellbeing was ruined by being cheated on including one poor woman who picked up STDs from the OW. But you and some others are still defending the OWs like they deserve sympathy. Sick fucks

So if someone has a headache, throwing up, nausea do they have a brain tumour? Or do they have a virus?Both have similar indicators can’t diagnose someone with a personality disorder with something you have read from an internet site! 😂😂😂😂. Don’t bandy words around that you aren’t qualified to use. You dont know any of these people! Also what is it with labelling? Narcissist, sociopath and sick fucks?! Can’t you state your point without resorting to this?!

im not defending anyone who knowingly has unprotected sex or cheats etc. I just don’t see the point in attacking the OP who came on here saying she feels bad. She’s not boasting, she’s remorseful for her part in what happened. She met a guy on a site who chose to be there. He made vows he didn’t keep, he cheated. She’s single and yet seems to have more remorse than he does. Why attacks her when she is low?

ThatBrickRaven · 29/11/2024 07:31

OneRubyHare · 29/11/2024 06:56

Nobody PUTS their purse on the pavement do they 🙄

No but they do join sites looking for sex. Attached or single, the decision to cheat lies with each person.

TwistedWonder · 29/11/2024 07:33

RavenA · 28/11/2024 11:43

The term 'narcissist' is often banded about online. It's all very pop psychology. I'm not qualified to use such terms but when an affair happened to me, I realised that my partner had a somewhat different set of morals to me.

She didn't think that chatting to men online was in itself, wrong. She just thought it was a bit of fun. The only thing she admitted was wrong was actually meeting up with one of them and embarking on a sexual relationship, which lasted the best part of a year.

I appreciate that there was an element of deflection there and measured denial of guilt but ot was one of the weirdest conversations I've ever had with her.

Sorry mate but she absolutely did know chatting to random blokes online was wrong but she did it anyway.

She has cheated, lied and shown you zero respect - please don’t make the mistake of staying for the wrong reasons.
.

AmICrazyToEvenBother · 29/11/2024 08:06

What's done is done. Use the guilt to resolve never to do that again and maybe think about why you did it in the first place.

TwistedWonder · 29/11/2024 08:25

CheekyHobson · 29/11/2024 05:07

Oooh gosh, that’s us ladies told them!

All that’s missing is FACT at the end to make it absolutely true with no debate

TeeBee · 29/11/2024 08:29

The 'feeling shit' is your conscience. Why would you want to lose that? If you overstepped your own moral boundaries, use the guilt to alter your behaviour.

Dweetfidilove · 29/11/2024 08:46

Every time I read a post about your ex-husband, I recoil. The man is utterly reprehensible. She made a shit choice indeed, and her subsequent hostility to you makes them deserving of each other.

Didsomeonesaydogs · 29/11/2024 08:47

So let me tell you about the side of affairs that the affair partner doesn’t see.

My STBXH had a four year long affair and when it came to light two years ago it upended all our lives and my family was ripped apart.

I have lived through some terrible stuff in my past (like “unintentionally making people cry when I talk about it” kind of territory) and NOTHING in my life has ever hurt me so much as his affair. I had passive ideation for a long time. I still have fortnightly therapy sessions. Nobody who hasn’t been through this can fully grasp just how devastating it is.

Without going into a level of detail that will out me, as a result of STBXH’s behaviour at home during his affair, teenage DD was so traumatised she developed psychological issues which manifested as physical symptoms. Think along the lines of losing the use of body parts without warning. I couldn’t work because it was dangerous for her to be alone and for a significant period of time I couldn’t let her out of my sight. She lost all her independence had to delay learning to drive due to these issues. At one point I wondered if she would ever live independently.

DS hates his father for how he conducted himself and barely speaks to him. For a year after the separation he pretty much opted out of life. He’s trying to pull himself out of it but still struggling and he too has suffered from passive ideation.

None of this would have been the case had STBXH ended things in a fair and dignified way. It would have been so much easier to accept if he had just said he wasn’t happy and wanted to split. Instead he kept me married to him under false pretences, still having weekly sex btw, so he could keep his easy and comfortable life but pretending to be single when I wasn’t looking. (I also ended up with needing treatment for pre cancer from hpv due to his activities.)

In order for him to live with the cognitive dissonance the affair caused, he had to build this narrative that I was a terrible wife. Although I wasn’t perfect, I was not, of course, a terrible wife, so he had to construct scenarios whereby he could justify his behaviour. Because if he was cheating on a good wife that would make him an entitled POS, and nobody can be the villain of their own story. He was so awful to live with during for the years this was going on, one of DDs mental health team told me it was abuse and I was in denial.

I had it in my head he was a decent man who would never cheat on me, I just needed to be a better wife, keep things running smoothly and everything would be fine. I tied myself in knots trying to please him, not realising he had already given up on us and clearly despised me for just existing.

I will never trust anyone again, because I would quite happily live without love forever to never risk going through that experience twice. The kids are now doing better, they’ll never go back to the way they were and we’ve all paid a very high price for his affair with our physical and mental health. That’s the side of it people don’t see. It probably doesn’t even occur to them.

Anyone having an affair is an accomplice in the destruction of a family and all the individuals in it. They can’t possibly understand the level of damage they cause.

STBXH’s affair partner was an accomplice in his abuse of his family and I’ll never forgive either of them. I wish them all the happiness they deserve.

Dweetfidilove · 29/11/2024 09:11

CheekyHobson · 27/11/2024 17:06

Jesus Christ, people do love to over-complicate things.

Not shagging married men is simply behaving with integrity and giving yourself the best chance of success should you want to find a person with whom you can have a long-term relationship.

It is not "making yourself responsible for protecting all other women's marriages" or some melodramatic burden like that.

I don't think people go looking for stable long-term relationships on a swinging website, so that doesn't apply to the OP.

I agree she may be overcomplicating what was essentially sex with a man advertising himself on a sex site. He's likely still there enjoying his escapades, while she's burdening herself with guilt.

WonderfulUsername · 29/11/2024 09:32

OneRubyHare · 29/11/2024 06:56

Nobody PUTS their purse on the pavement do they 🙄

You know what an analogy is though, right?

Peppermilk24 · 29/11/2024 09:54

Didsomeonesaydogs · 29/11/2024 08:47

So let me tell you about the side of affairs that the affair partner doesn’t see.

My STBXH had a four year long affair and when it came to light two years ago it upended all our lives and my family was ripped apart.

I have lived through some terrible stuff in my past (like “unintentionally making people cry when I talk about it” kind of territory) and NOTHING in my life has ever hurt me so much as his affair. I had passive ideation for a long time. I still have fortnightly therapy sessions. Nobody who hasn’t been through this can fully grasp just how devastating it is.

Without going into a level of detail that will out me, as a result of STBXH’s behaviour at home during his affair, teenage DD was so traumatised she developed psychological issues which manifested as physical symptoms. Think along the lines of losing the use of body parts without warning. I couldn’t work because it was dangerous for her to be alone and for a significant period of time I couldn’t let her out of my sight. She lost all her independence had to delay learning to drive due to these issues. At one point I wondered if she would ever live independently.

DS hates his father for how he conducted himself and barely speaks to him. For a year after the separation he pretty much opted out of life. He’s trying to pull himself out of it but still struggling and he too has suffered from passive ideation.

None of this would have been the case had STBXH ended things in a fair and dignified way. It would have been so much easier to accept if he had just said he wasn’t happy and wanted to split. Instead he kept me married to him under false pretences, still having weekly sex btw, so he could keep his easy and comfortable life but pretending to be single when I wasn’t looking. (I also ended up with needing treatment for pre cancer from hpv due to his activities.)

In order for him to live with the cognitive dissonance the affair caused, he had to build this narrative that I was a terrible wife. Although I wasn’t perfect, I was not, of course, a terrible wife, so he had to construct scenarios whereby he could justify his behaviour. Because if he was cheating on a good wife that would make him an entitled POS, and nobody can be the villain of their own story. He was so awful to live with during for the years this was going on, one of DDs mental health team told me it was abuse and I was in denial.

I had it in my head he was a decent man who would never cheat on me, I just needed to be a better wife, keep things running smoothly and everything would be fine. I tied myself in knots trying to please him, not realising he had already given up on us and clearly despised me for just existing.

I will never trust anyone again, because I would quite happily live without love forever to never risk going through that experience twice. The kids are now doing better, they’ll never go back to the way they were and we’ve all paid a very high price for his affair with our physical and mental health. That’s the side of it people don’t see. It probably doesn’t even occur to them.

Anyone having an affair is an accomplice in the destruction of a family and all the individuals in it. They can’t possibly understand the level of damage they cause.

STBXH’s affair partner was an accomplice in his abuse of his family and I’ll never forgive either of them. I wish them all the happiness they deserve.

That sounds so awful for you all and I'm glad that you have come out the other side of it. I have had exposure to infidelity but luckily didn't have the devastation you and your children have suffered. For all his cruelty you sound like a very strong person and I doubt anyone would ever have the opportunity to mistreat you again. I speak from experience when I say that. I hope at some stage you feel open to a healthy relationship and that you find love again. We are all deserving of it I think.

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