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Gay hook up apps and straight married men

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JAY89J · 21/11/2024 03:44

God I don't know what has gotten into me lately but I suddenly have no hope left for men. I know I'm being irrational, but when you have seen what I've seen, and know what I know, it would leave you with doubts also. I just don't know where to go from here?

My gay friend has always told me about his sexual adventures or his friends adventures. Sometimes he will show me his hook up apps and I'll see who is online. Sometimes I'll hear stories that tells me who it was and whats going on in their world.

I was also online recently, and I read a story about a woman who was 6 months pregnant. Her husband and her usually had a really healthy sex life but since she got pregnant he was finding it difficult to do it. She got off nightshift work one day and went to bed. She woke up with a man closing a taxi door outside and entering their house. She crept downstairs to see who it was only to see through the closed door window panel, her husband having sex with a man from grindr (he eventually told her this and added that he had been doing it for 6 months). He never saw her and she went upstairs in shock and sat there not really knowing what to do. He came upstairs 30 mins later to have a shower after his friend left, and seen the look on her face, and he knew she knew. He begged and pleaded and she told him to leave. For 10 days he tried to get her back or to talk but she wasn't ready. On the 10th day he got a call from her father at the hospital to say she had lost their baby daughter due to complications related to stress. He tried to take his own life but was unsuccessful and kept apologising but obviously it was too late. What made it worse was that she was 44 and that was most probably her last chance to have a child, and he took that from her.

On reddit there are subreddits, and one is bi married men. On one post it had "discreet down low (no one knows or will ever know he cheats with men, is what this means) man who is seeking a man" to have sex with and he "can't host (they can't do it at his house is what he means." He posted a pic of his genitals and in the background there was this beautifully decorated home with his baby's toys all over the floor. I couldn't help but wonder where his wife was and how heartbroken she would be if she saw those pictures.

Another story is about a woman who keeps catching her man seeking out men online, but hasn't told him she's caught him again. She is thinking of getting a sex change. She's obviously feeling destroyed and her self esteem is shattered with him. It's all so sad and I feel angry for these women.

One woman on YouTube told her story about a date she went on and the guy was handsome and seemed like he was attracted to her. But only 10 mins in and... his boyfriend ended up showing up, and shouting at this poor girl, who had no idea. The date was all "I'm sorry babe. I wouldn't cheat on you, I just was just talking to her as a friend." Completely dismissing her altogether, and he ended up just walking out with his angry boyfriend shouting "you need to stop doing this to me Ryan. Why did I trust you again..." He left her with the bill also. 😄

These stories, along with many more, and all the info that I get from my friend and the apps, it all has me actually wondering if any men are straight? There are way too many who are recently getting caught due to the power of the internet, and it's shedding light on something women never think about. Do men actually want us, or just the masculine full straight reputation, or the sheilds from stigma and then their children? All these women who were in happy relationships or even some in the bad ones, wouldn't think for a second that their men are out there getting dick on the side. Their too busy looking for other women. The amount of gay for pay porn stars nowadays is outragious. Which means that it's now just a normal part of our culture and maybe some of us haven't caught up yet.

Most just want sex or the dick and not the men behind it though. Many of them want and need prostate orgasms, and can't cum as easily with vaginal sex. Some are kidding themselves and are gay but many are bisexual. Unfaithful bisexuals at that. Where does the line get drawn though? Some of these men I would have never have thought they were upto all sorts with men. Thanks to all these desperate looking weirdos, I now have lost all faith in men. When it comes to sex (and I'm no prude) is this all they want from us? One man wrote that us women are now finally getting a taste of our own medicine for all the years we controlled the sexual activities, and now they are able go just get it whenever, and with whoever. Mostly thanks to sexuality becoming more socially acceptable in every sense. Are women just a sheild from stigma and an incubator. But the men can still give them better orgams (prostate orgasms are strong)? My heads frazzled, but everywhere I turn there is something to remind me, and I feel like this is the new normal. Why is it so off putting for some women to think of their men with men sexually? Or is it the thought that their man prefers men sexually? Now if a man is interested, all I think is that he is only trying to say he is attracted to women because society has conditioned him this way or he just wants the sheild and children. That can't be true surely? Can I go back to being blissfully unaware please? Or even a lesbian? Rant over, sorry.

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Marypoppinss · 30/11/2024 17:55

JAY89J · 30/11/2024 17:13

Not from me investing anything. Maybe just one or two searches, that's it. Most came from friends, and just hearing what's going on or accidental finds like that YouTube video. It's not hard with lgbt topics being more mainstream and trendier these days. When you stop and think about it, men can, and we all know MANY have done billions of times before, had sex with someone they were in no way attracted to. We also all love to be in the company of our own gender for various reasons. Men usually love being with their boys and the whole camaraderie of it all. A gay for pay porn star had said that he was 100% straight because he uses his imagination during his personal, alone time with his hand so he does the same when he's with a man (don't know about that but anyway..). It just got me thinking that, of course, they would take the chance of free sex on a plate with no expectations. Some don't, even, in fact I would say that most, don't even have actual sex. Gay men are usually just happy enough to be allowed to get them off. So he just closes his eyes, and this poor gay man is doing all the work.

If a straight man who has to have sex with someone who is on an attractive scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the most attractive and he has 2 choices, who would he choose?
♧ A guy who is a 10
♡ A girl who is a 3
Most would say a girl outwardly, but I believe the majority would pick the guy as men are visual creatures. Some of them really love those gym mirrors. They also get some male bkndkng time afterwards.

Every man I look at, I just think he's gay now. there's no point. It's crazy. I like to know what I'm keeping and, more importantly, who I can trust. It screams instability.

Honestly, please stop now! What a load of drivel.

any straight man would always, without an ounce of Hesitation choose a girl that’s a 1 over a guy that’s a 10. I can promise you that.

Any guy that chooses the guy, is not straight, and either is gay or bi.

as regards to the porn stars which has been mentioned a few times, ironically most gay porn films are with straight me . Would they rather be in a scene with a woman? Of course - why then do it with a man? ££££££££. A gay porn scene pays a hell of a lot more than a heterosexual scene. For them it’s a job and can’t be compared to all these so called straight married men on Grindr 😂

shuggles · 30/11/2024 18:36

@Marypoppinss A gay porn scene pays a hell of a lot more than a heterosexual scene.

I would have thought it has more to do with competition. Most men would choose to do heterosexual porn, so if you can't get work on that side of things, then gay porn is the alternative.

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shuggles · 30/11/2024 16:10

@Onand I have a friend of a friend who is a male escort- his stories about clients are very eye opening. I guess curiosity is far more widespread than people think.

I don't get the whole curiosity thing.

Look at picture of naked man. Does penis get hard? If yes, sex with men will be enjoyable. If no, sex with men will not be enjoyable.

No need to meet an "escort" for "curiosity."

I don't think this is true actually, I find naked women attractive and I'd say arousing but I don't want to have sex with a women and I'm not sure if I would find it enjoyable. So perhaps I could be 'curious'

JAY89J · 05/12/2024 17:51

Marypoppinss · 30/11/2024 17:55

Honestly, please stop now! What a load of drivel.

any straight man would always, without an ounce of Hesitation choose a girl that’s a 1 over a guy that’s a 10. I can promise you that.

Any guy that chooses the guy, is not straight, and either is gay or bi.

as regards to the porn stars which has been mentioned a few times, ironically most gay porn films are with straight me . Would they rather be in a scene with a woman? Of course - why then do it with a man? ££££££££. A gay porn scene pays a hell of a lot more than a heterosexual scene. For them it’s a job and can’t be compared to all these so called straight married men on Grindr 😂

Wow.

Stop what? Stop commenting on my own post? No!

If you don't agree, then that's OK. May I suggest trying to be a little less condescending when arguing your own points, though? It just makes some people feel the need to dig their heels in further when they are being told as an adult what to believe and do. We're all from different parts of the world and different ages and backgrounds. It may just be due to my environment and who I know that has determined why I believe this. Do I think they are ALL like this? NO! But the majority of men? YES! As far as the stories, I'm being told from friends (taking all online stories or porn stars out of it). I may just be catastrophiasing due to other things going on. Or maybe it's my lack of trust for ALL men. Either way, i do believe this, so take it, or leave some sound advice.

This is how you know sexuality isn't a choice. I'd choose being a lesbian every time.

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LambriniBobInIsleworthISeesYa · 05/12/2024 20:29

This is one of the weirdest posts I've ever read on here.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 05/12/2024 20:54

JAY89J · 30/11/2024 17:13

Not from me investing anything. Maybe just one or two searches, that's it. Most came from friends, and just hearing what's going on or accidental finds like that YouTube video. It's not hard with lgbt topics being more mainstream and trendier these days. When you stop and think about it, men can, and we all know MANY have done billions of times before, had sex with someone they were in no way attracted to. We also all love to be in the company of our own gender for various reasons. Men usually love being with their boys and the whole camaraderie of it all. A gay for pay porn star had said that he was 100% straight because he uses his imagination during his personal, alone time with his hand so he does the same when he's with a man (don't know about that but anyway..). It just got me thinking that, of course, they would take the chance of free sex on a plate with no expectations. Some don't, even, in fact I would say that most, don't even have actual sex. Gay men are usually just happy enough to be allowed to get them off. So he just closes his eyes, and this poor gay man is doing all the work.

If a straight man who has to have sex with someone who is on an attractive scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the most attractive and he has 2 choices, who would he choose?
♧ A guy who is a 10
♡ A girl who is a 3
Most would say a girl outwardly, but I believe the majority would pick the guy as men are visual creatures. Some of them really love those gym mirrors. They also get some male bkndkng time afterwards.

Every man I look at, I just think he's gay now. there's no point. It's crazy. I like to know what I'm keeping and, more importantly, who I can trust. It screams instability.

No. This is bonkers and you're obsessed. Anecdotes from your gay friend and other acquaintances do not equal data. Are there more 'straight' married men who do this than most people would think? Yes, almost certainly. Do they make up a large proportion of outwardly heterosexual men? No, of course not.

Marypoppinss · 05/12/2024 21:08

JAY89J · 05/12/2024 17:51

Wow.

Stop what? Stop commenting on my own post? No!

If you don't agree, then that's OK. May I suggest trying to be a little less condescending when arguing your own points, though? It just makes some people feel the need to dig their heels in further when they are being told as an adult what to believe and do. We're all from different parts of the world and different ages and backgrounds. It may just be due to my environment and who I know that has determined why I believe this. Do I think they are ALL like this? NO! But the majority of men? YES! As far as the stories, I'm being told from friends (taking all online stories or porn stars out of it). I may just be catastrophiasing due to other things going on. Or maybe it's my lack of trust for ALL men. Either way, i do believe this, so take it, or leave some sound advice.

This is how you know sexuality isn't a choice. I'd choose being a lesbian every time.

Stop this nonsense!

Married men may use Grindr or other apps for casual hook ups, I don’t doubt that, the majority? Absolutely not. And those that do, they are not straight. A man that wants to have sex with another man is either gay or bi.

i‘m not even sure of the point on your post, you clearly don’t like men, and it sounds as if you are gay, so whatever is true or not doesn’t effect you?!

Dweetfidilove · 05/12/2024 21:09

Awful gay men having sex with people's husbands ☹️. If only they'd find someone else to have sex with, instead of inserting themselves into other people's relationships - low self-esteem and lacking in morals.

Deadringer · 05/12/2024 21:23

Personally I wish more men would shag other men and leave women the hell alone.

Marypoppinss · 05/12/2024 21:53

Deadringer · 05/12/2024 21:23

Personally I wish more men would shag other men and leave women the hell alone.

No ones forcing you to be with / sleep with men.

Deadringer · 05/12/2024 22:06

Marypoppinss · 05/12/2024 21:53

No ones forcing you to be with / sleep with men.

How do you know? And sadly, all over the world lots of women and girls are forced to be with/sleep with men.

Disturbia81 · 06/12/2024 09:36

No I know plenty of men who would rather die than touch another man. I think most are straight.
BUT there are many more gay and bi ones than we think.
And just look at prisons.. it's mad how straight men start having sex with men just so they can have sex, it shows the strength of their urges.
I think men suit each other in terms of sex drive so that works for them.

JAY89J · 30/03/2025 19:29

Marypoppinss · 05/12/2024 21:08

Stop this nonsense!

Married men may use Grindr or other apps for casual hook ups, I don’t doubt that, the majority? Absolutely not. And those that do, they are not straight. A man that wants to have sex with another man is either gay or bi.

i‘m not even sure of the point on your post, you clearly don’t like men, and it sounds as if you are gay, so whatever is true or not doesn’t effect you?!

Why are you so volatile?

I can show you the receipts if you want?

I am female, but I assume you don't want pics of my vagina?

I admit it isn't all married men. It's also men who aren't married and men who are also single. All men who claim to be straight will have the majority who aren't really what I define as straight or even loyal.

I want a straight man. Not a bi man. Pan man. Or a 2nd hand pretending straight, man. I want a real one.

The problem is that most of them don't think it effects their straight status if they are not attracted to the person. But our minds are so adaptable that slowly, over time, anything can become possible.

● A lot just want easy no commitment sex.
● They enjoy the validation gay men give them. A few younger guys were complimented a lot and offered, and after a while, they accepted. They claimed that if other women won't find out, then who is it hurting?
● Many had penis fetishes (that one I was shocked about). They just want to suck men off but not have sex.
● Some liked prostate play, and they had no women to peg them. Interestingly enough, 2 women divorced their men after they couldn't climax with vaginal penetration anymore, and these men ended up looking for men on the sly..
● Some had meth or crack/stimulant addictions that they functioned with, but it heightened their arousal state. So it wasn't just for money but pleasure.
● A lot of older guys had deadbedrooms. Interestingly enough, a lot of them refuse to talk to their wives about it. So they sought out men instead.
● But the biggest thing was porn use that escalated slowly to bisexual porn and then transgender porn and then gay porn.

The whole mantra nowadays is..

  1. Everyone should label themselves.
  2. No one should out anyone who isn't ready.
So anyone can be delusional, and no one can call them on it.

I urge all women to do their homework as this is not an uncommon thing. We are just great at looking the other way. I had a gay friend who said to me that he "feels sorry for women as 70% of men are doing it under their noses" but most if us refuse to or don't want to believe it.

I think most men are bisexual to some degree. Some even stated they want women to be in a relationship with them just because they want kids. Not because they wanted us for ourselves! Its just the kids they want. Bi men are off-putting for me. I've tried it but I couldn't stay attracted. That attraction switch goes off.

I feel like the straight men that are legitimate are taken already or cheat with women anyway. There is not enough of these genuine men to match up with loyal straight women. I was hoping for either support or confirmation. You gave neither! Just insults. I came offline to detatch myself from it a little. I still have gay friends who share their sexual strifes with me to a degree. Many have more sexual meetings with "straight" men in a week than my single female friends have had. I had to ask them to stop sharing their stories with me about these "straight" men. It's too late, though, as I know too much now. I only came back on after i just heard about another guy getting oral, who is from our town and has 3 kids with his girlfriend, who is my sisters friend. There are articles out there on this. Psychologist Dr. Joe Kort talks about this online. This is happening whether you believe it to be true or not.

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JAY89J · 30/03/2025 19:47

Disturbia81 · 06/12/2024 09:36

No I know plenty of men who would rather die than touch another man. I think most are straight.
BUT there are many more gay and bi ones than we think.
And just look at prisons.. it's mad how straight men start having sex with men just so they can have sex, it shows the strength of their urges.
I think men suit each other in terms of sex drive so that works for them.

How can you trust who is who? I've heard some who say the same thing but play with the boys backstage still!

Most claim to want women for kids and not for us as we are.
If men can use women they aren't attracted to for sex what stops then using men? There's no issue if you're attracted to bi men, but I am not. That's my issue.

Porn addiction that has escalated is a big reason that they do this also. I've heard these men also drag transgender women down. Then try and hit them up on a message that same night!

One guy had asked for advice about his wife 6 months postpartum, and he sounded upset. Then 2mins before that message, he was arranging a meet-up to suck his 1st dick! Like how? How do they not feel guilty?

It's how they work around to define sexualities. Even the "no label" guy is labelled in someone's head as that's how humans work. Everything has a description. But people are allowed to define themselves with labels that are untrue! So these guys are allowed to remain delusional at women's expense! It's shitty!

A gay friend of mine got a msg one night from a matual friend to come over and hang out as his wife is going to her mother's for the night. They weren't friends. He didn't go. I feel like he wanted to but didn't because I was there. I got the feeling it wasn't their first msg, so now it just makes me mad at all of them. I feel like I know a lot more because I am friends with gay men who trust me. I just don't know how I can trust any man knowing what I know.

What do women who have seen this do with this now? Ignore it?

Can I be a lesbian now? Is there a pill I can take?

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Disturbia81 · 30/03/2025 21:02

JAY89J · 30/03/2025 19:47

How can you trust who is who? I've heard some who say the same thing but play with the boys backstage still!

Most claim to want women for kids and not for us as we are.
If men can use women they aren't attracted to for sex what stops then using men? There's no issue if you're attracted to bi men, but I am not. That's my issue.

Porn addiction that has escalated is a big reason that they do this also. I've heard these men also drag transgender women down. Then try and hit them up on a message that same night!

One guy had asked for advice about his wife 6 months postpartum, and he sounded upset. Then 2mins before that message, he was arranging a meet-up to suck his 1st dick! Like how? How do they not feel guilty?

It's how they work around to define sexualities. Even the "no label" guy is labelled in someone's head as that's how humans work. Everything has a description. But people are allowed to define themselves with labels that are untrue! So these guys are allowed to remain delusional at women's expense! It's shitty!

A gay friend of mine got a msg one night from a matual friend to come over and hang out as his wife is going to her mother's for the night. They weren't friends. He didn't go. I feel like he wanted to but didn't because I was there. I got the feeling it wasn't their first msg, so now it just makes me mad at all of them. I feel like I know a lot more because I am friends with gay men who trust me. I just don't know how I can trust any man knowing what I know.

What do women who have seen this do with this now? Ignore it?

Can I be a lesbian now? Is there a pill I can take?

Their sex drive is at the forefront of everything.
Not every man as you only have to read all the threads on here about men who have low sex drives. But for a majority it rules everything.
I went through a period of hating men for it. Now I just stay single and play them at their own game and have sex when I want with who I want, I’m much happier because I realised I can’t change them. It’s in their nature

JAY89J · 31/03/2025 16:06

Disturbia81 · 30/03/2025 21:02

Their sex drive is at the forefront of everything.
Not every man as you only have to read all the threads on here about men who have low sex drives. But for a majority it rules everything.
I went through a period of hating men for it. Now I just stay single and play them at their own game and have sex when I want with who I want, I’m much happier because I realised I can’t change them. It’s in their nature

Looking forward to a lifetime alone sounds horrible to me. I have no family of my own apart from my daughter. I want someone to build that with and create some stability. The issue now is that I don't trust ALL men now. I have a few good gay friends who I feel like I'm distancing myself from due to being affected by this. I realise this all sounds irrational and ridiculous but I feel like everything I thought I knew was a lie. Are men straight? Yes. The majority? Unsure. Even if it was, it is down to life's lottery with how likely an I am in meeting one? Then if I do find one, how can I be sure now? The ones who aren't will lie or believe their own delusions anyway. These are the thoughts I am left with. The men I know who have engaged sexually with other men are men who I beleived never would betray their partners never mind with other men. Some I found attractive myself. None give off hints. Most are still with their female partners. By listening to some hostile reactions on here it sounds like most women don't beleive this is the majority of men either. I would have said the same thing a couple of years ago. I just can't be sure what's, what anymore. There's a man from our town selling his "services" on an escort site that has been going around our group also. His partner has no clue. She isn’t from this country either so that makes it worse. It's really emotionally tiring to not even look for these stories and still be shown them.

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ChessorBuckaroo · 31/03/2025 17:17

Are the majority of men straight? YES.

I answered earlier in the thread, well over 90% are.

I will say this though (and it's related to more exposure to porn and the immense increase in the numbers of transsexuals), many more men would now date/have sex with a transexual woman than before. And I'm talking straight men here.

I am aware of the trans community via my gay (male) cousin and there are gay men who have transitioned to transwomen which has resulted in a lot more male attention. Getting more male attention (and it's now primarily from straight men as gay men on the whole are not attracted to transwomen) is not the reason they transitioned, but it is one benefit from doing so.

Straight men would not have sex with another man (not talking those who are paid to do so, or those in prison), but quite a number would with a transwoman, and as I said I think that's growing. You may ask how could they be straight if they have sex with them? Well, they are attracted to women, and transwomen on the surface look like women, so there is no conflict there. The difference is having a dick, and while we may automatically think they must be gay or bi to have sex with someone with one because we are programmed to associate a dick with a man, when it's on a woman (what looks like a woman) it becomes something else entirely. Controversial take, and its just my opinion, but I think when it comes to sex many men would prefer a dick on a woman over a vagina. The latter is basically another orifice, whereas the former attached to someone they are attracted to they can also experience a prostate oragasm from.

BeerAndMusic · 01/04/2025 00:23

Wow!!! So many assumptions and stereotypes!!

As a straight male, I can assure I have not watched gay porn, or been on gay sites. I have had friends who were gay but didnt fancy them, and to quote the OP post earlier, if there was a a woman who rated 1/10 and a man (Beckham, Pitt) who is 10/10 I would always choose the woman. I mean, the money when I sell my story for bedding Becks would be useful but unless we are talking 7 figures dont think I could 😀

Men will leave wives for other men
Women will leave husbands for other men
Men and women will leave partners for people of the opposite sex

Most of my friends are male, but the closest I have got to intimacy was sharing a room (not a bed) on a lads trip, or hugging when we score a goal!

Yes, initially men (me included) are more visual but (and I do think this is possibly more age related) I do need an emotional connection now.

FightingFish · 01/04/2025 00:48

Interesting theory. As a single straight woman, if I was offered sex with a woman considered a 10 and a man considered a 3, I would opt for neither personally. Isn’t that the most common option?!

FrodoBiggins · 01/04/2025 01:03

this is some misogynistic/homophobic nonsense. Check the data OP, women are much more likely than men to identify as bisexual, and this trend is greater with younger people (ie it is increasing with time). I know far more women who've dabbled in batting for their own team than men, and while the plural of anecdote is not data, I imagine lots of women here have either had a cheeky snog (or more) with another woman or know "straight" women who have. Why aren't you horrified by that?

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/sexuality/bulletins/sexualidentityuk/2023#how-sexual-orientation-differed-by-sex

mathanxiety · 01/04/2025 01:12

I agree with you, OP.
Now divorced, and I will never trust another man again.

ThisUniqueDreamer · 01/04/2025 01:17

That story had all the hallmarks, didn't it

She's pregnant. She's forty four so her last chance. He seeks out men because he can't shag her any more. She wakes up in the middle of the night and sees them at it. She loses the baby and then he tries to kill himself

I mean, it has all the hallmarks of complete and utter fantasy.

If you're gonna have an affair with anyone, let alone another man, you wouldn't do it in the same house.Your wife is currently sleeping in.

It's just erotic fiction, there's no truth to any of this

mathanxiety · 01/04/2025 01:18

@FrodoBiggins
Are these married bi women you're talking about? Married women with husbands who have gone PT or become SAHPs to take care of the children and will never get their 30s back to devote to their careers, husbands who put in 80 hour weeks on the home front?

The impact of deceit in a marriage falls hardest on the person who has sacrificed the most to family life.

Elferbowton · 01/04/2025 01:30

I used to live in Blackpool and the number of married men who strayed to the gay bars was unbelievable.
Help yourself hotels and bars along certain roads were the only boom industry, couldn't get a look in unless you walked with a limp and worked at certain establishments.