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Gay hook up apps and straight married men

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JAY89J · 21/11/2024 03:44

God I don't know what has gotten into me lately but I suddenly have no hope left for men. I know I'm being irrational, but when you have seen what I've seen, and know what I know, it would leave you with doubts also. I just don't know where to go from here?

My gay friend has always told me about his sexual adventures or his friends adventures. Sometimes he will show me his hook up apps and I'll see who is online. Sometimes I'll hear stories that tells me who it was and whats going on in their world.

I was also online recently, and I read a story about a woman who was 6 months pregnant. Her husband and her usually had a really healthy sex life but since she got pregnant he was finding it difficult to do it. She got off nightshift work one day and went to bed. She woke up with a man closing a taxi door outside and entering their house. She crept downstairs to see who it was only to see through the closed door window panel, her husband having sex with a man from grindr (he eventually told her this and added that he had been doing it for 6 months). He never saw her and she went upstairs in shock and sat there not really knowing what to do. He came upstairs 30 mins later to have a shower after his friend left, and seen the look on her face, and he knew she knew. He begged and pleaded and she told him to leave. For 10 days he tried to get her back or to talk but she wasn't ready. On the 10th day he got a call from her father at the hospital to say she had lost their baby daughter due to complications related to stress. He tried to take his own life but was unsuccessful and kept apologising but obviously it was too late. What made it worse was that she was 44 and that was most probably her last chance to have a child, and he took that from her.

On reddit there are subreddits, and one is bi married men. On one post it had "discreet down low (no one knows or will ever know he cheats with men, is what this means) man who is seeking a man" to have sex with and he "can't host (they can't do it at his house is what he means." He posted a pic of his genitals and in the background there was this beautifully decorated home with his baby's toys all over the floor. I couldn't help but wonder where his wife was and how heartbroken she would be if she saw those pictures.

Another story is about a woman who keeps catching her man seeking out men online, but hasn't told him she's caught him again. She is thinking of getting a sex change. She's obviously feeling destroyed and her self esteem is shattered with him. It's all so sad and I feel angry for these women.

One woman on YouTube told her story about a date she went on and the guy was handsome and seemed like he was attracted to her. But only 10 mins in and... his boyfriend ended up showing up, and shouting at this poor girl, who had no idea. The date was all "I'm sorry babe. I wouldn't cheat on you, I just was just talking to her as a friend." Completely dismissing her altogether, and he ended up just walking out with his angry boyfriend shouting "you need to stop doing this to me Ryan. Why did I trust you again..." He left her with the bill also. 😄

These stories, along with many more, and all the info that I get from my friend and the apps, it all has me actually wondering if any men are straight? There are way too many who are recently getting caught due to the power of the internet, and it's shedding light on something women never think about. Do men actually want us, or just the masculine full straight reputation, or the sheilds from stigma and then their children? All these women who were in happy relationships or even some in the bad ones, wouldn't think for a second that their men are out there getting dick on the side. Their too busy looking for other women. The amount of gay for pay porn stars nowadays is outragious. Which means that it's now just a normal part of our culture and maybe some of us haven't caught up yet.

Most just want sex or the dick and not the men behind it though. Many of them want and need prostate orgasms, and can't cum as easily with vaginal sex. Some are kidding themselves and are gay but many are bisexual. Unfaithful bisexuals at that. Where does the line get drawn though? Some of these men I would have never have thought they were upto all sorts with men. Thanks to all these desperate looking weirdos, I now have lost all faith in men. When it comes to sex (and I'm no prude) is this all they want from us? One man wrote that us women are now finally getting a taste of our own medicine for all the years we controlled the sexual activities, and now they are able go just get it whenever, and with whoever. Mostly thanks to sexuality becoming more socially acceptable in every sense. Are women just a sheild from stigma and an incubator. But the men can still give them better orgams (prostate orgasms are strong)? My heads frazzled, but everywhere I turn there is something to remind me, and I feel like this is the new normal. Why is it so off putting for some women to think of their men with men sexually? Or is it the thought that their man prefers men sexually? Now if a man is interested, all I think is that he is only trying to say he is attracted to women because society has conditioned him this way or he just wants the sheild and children. That can't be true surely? Can I go back to being blissfully unaware please? Or even a lesbian? Rant over, sorry.

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DesertKumquat · 21/11/2024 05:02

Wow this was quite a post. I think you have confirmation bias and that your reality is skewed. I don’t think all men are secretly gay or bisexual any more than all women are. I do think men are more willing to pursue their sexual gratification than women are, in whatever form that takes. I read once that sex between men is like having no brakes on. Whether that is true or not or just a generalisation, I don’t know.

Josette77 · 21/11/2024 05:44

No. Just no. That is not the norm.

ChessorBuckaroo · 21/11/2024 05:57

Roughly 5% of the population are gay/bi/lesbian, so your stories do not reflect the vast majority of men.

Ihopeithinkiknow · 21/11/2024 06:27

I sat next to one of my gay friends not long ago and he showed me around a few gay dating apps (I asked him to after a conversation we had about married men and the amount he comes across on these apps) I didn't believe him and told him he was talking shit.

He wasn't talking shit and these men have no problem with saying they are married and they need an outlet because that's just where they are in life and some even say that their wives know and are fine with it (which I doubt) but anyway it definitely opened my eyes and I saw some unfortunate pictures in his inbox of dicks he gets sent.

My gay mate wants to hook up with other gay men not straight married men and even he is disgusted with how sleazy these men are and I think it's happening a lot more than anyone thinks

Josette77 · 21/11/2024 07:11

The amount of married men that hit on me on dating apps was insane. I also had married women contact me.

This doesn't mean all women are bi or all married men cheat.

It means dating apps attract creeps.

growinguptobreakingdown · 21/11/2024 07:17

You maybe need to get off reddit op.Not all men are shagging blokes behind their partners back.And some of the stories you shared sound like dodgy soft porn fantasies.You don't know these people IRL.

Soberinthecity · 21/11/2024 22:00

growinguptobreakingdown · 21/11/2024 07:17

You maybe need to get off reddit op.Not all men are shagging blokes behind their partners back.And some of the stories you shared sound like dodgy soft porn fantasies.You don't know these people IRL.

Go and touch grass, I believe the saying is nowadays 😂 yeah ….you need to get more of a life and have a break from SM.

Mysterian · 21/11/2024 22:13

It's sad that so many gay men think it's such a terrible thing to be that they convince themselves they're straight. I'm a bi man and have met many. There's always a reason why having sex with men doesn't count as "gay" for them. If it's only oral, or anal and "they didn't push back" (actual quote), or one of them is wearing a dress. There's even a category they put themselves in (mostly US): MSM or Men who have Sex with Men.
Hopefully as homophobia lessens over the next decades it'll die out and they can be honest with themselves.

OliviaWould · 21/11/2024 22:16

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BobbyBiscuits · 21/11/2024 22:19

Some men cheat on their partners with other men. In other news, the world isn't flat.
Some women cheat on their partners with other women. Some people rape folks of either sex.
I don't think you can tarnish anyone based on the actions of a minority.

pinotgrigeeeeo · 21/11/2024 22:34

Gosh, what a post.

Those stories are awful.

It is a frightening thought. I hope it is just confirmation bias and that it is only a small amount of men that are like this.

premonition · 21/11/2024 22:51

I think OP is right.

I think one day we'll look back at how naive we all were.

The OP has had her eyes opened and she's not wrong. I have seen and heard similar from gay friends and their Grindr app.

The amount of green lights available within a half mile at 3am on Grindr, it's not actually possible for it to be 'just' gay men. Unless I live in gay town in the gay capital of England, most of the men on those apps must be normal, straight, family men.

OliviaWould · 21/11/2024 22:54

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NoForwardingAddress · 21/11/2024 23:01

Hmmm I guess it happens, but I think you've looked for stories about this after what your friend said and now the algorithm has got you. You'll now see a lot of posts about it and believe it to be prolific.

Just like that one time I accidentally clicked on a keto recipe on Instagram and now get bombarded with stories and posts about keto. I love carbs.

Moier · 21/11/2024 23:16

Gosh where have you been? This has been going on years.. when we first got the World wide Web.. it became more clear.. before that it was advertised in porn magazines. .it's happened like forever.. just behind close doors.. there is true books/ films on these kind of things happening... long before it was legal for it all.. happening behind close doors.

Ravenbright · 22/11/2024 09:42

A former gay work colleague used to volunteer for an LGBT+ counselling/ advice phone line. He told me that a lot of his calls were from men in straight relationships or marriages, either struggling with their sexuality and/or leading double lives. Many felt that they had to conform with society's expectations and couldn't be their real selves.
So, yes it happens, but it's not the majority or the norm. The algorithm is feeding you the stories so it will seem that way.

VimesandhisCardboardBoots · 22/11/2024 15:46

Hahaha, this post is comedy gold. As a bi man, I can promise you that most men are very much not interested in other men.

(When I was single I seemed to only ever be interested in the straight guys!)

DamselinDistress24 · 22/11/2024 16:05

Some people rape folks of either sex.

Only male people can rape folks of either sex according to UK law.

Which reflects reality.

SmolTrashPanda · 22/11/2024 16:21

Yes, most women would be surprised how many "straight" married men have sex with other men. Look on one of the grotty hook up sites like Fabswingers and you'll see most of the profiles meeting gay, bi or crossdressing men are actually "straight" males. When you know, you know.

Opentooffers · 22/11/2024 16:28

Go looking online for these types of stories and you will find them. That doesn't meant they are true though and your willingness to accept them all as truth- rather than stories of extreme nature designed to be click-bait for revenue - says more about your MH being poor than the reality of men.

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Josette77 · 24/11/2024 05:48

premonition · 21/11/2024 22:51

I think OP is right.

I think one day we'll look back at how naive we all were.

The OP has had her eyes opened and she's not wrong. I have seen and heard similar from gay friends and their Grindr app.

The amount of green lights available within a half mile at 3am on Grindr, it's not actually possible for it to be 'just' gay men. Unless I live in gay town in the gay capital of England, most of the men on those apps must be normal, straight, family men.

Normal straight family men don't go on gay dating apps.

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JAY89J · 30/11/2024 13:47

Sorry, essay number 2. (I have a lot to say 😄).Thanks for the support. Most of these stories I did not look for. My friend 7 years ago got a phone call from her boyfriends gay friend to say they had slept together the night before. He was in love with her boyfriend, but once her bf said it was a mistake, the gay friend called her to tell her what they had done. I had to scrape her off the floor afterwards. She was destroyed, and she wasn't in the best frame of mind anyway, as her brother had just committed suicide. She certainly hasnt improved as she's now an addict. This didn't skewer my opinions, but when these stories and posts kept popping up, it was giving me flashbacks. My dad and his girlfriend were out in town drinking one night and decided to walk home, which is a 15 min walk, which takes you through some dark alleyways. They told me this the next day when I was a teenager, that they both had caught our married, dad of 2, neighbour, passionatly kissing and groping his friend to the point he didnt see them walk past. The man he was kissing has now come out as gay. This neighbour is still married, and my dad hasn't ever said anything. It was a little hard for us to even try to believe, so I don't think his wife, who is stunningly beautiful BTW, would even believe it. She is best friends with my auntie in-law, and we inquired if it was an open marriage, etc, but it isn't. She still has no idea.

This isn't me sitting online all day looking for answers. It's happened slowly over a period of time. Most stories came from my gay friends. What makes it worse is that some "straight" men left my gay friend and his friends' relationships because they wanted to date women. Even though they found women attractive, they mostly wanted a girlfriend because it would make their parents happy, they wouldn't have to change anything in their lives, and they wanted children eventually. I found that really insulting. It's only because of what we can give them. I also hated when my gay friend would say that society has conditioned everyone to be straight. This is insulting to me. It always sounded like men were brainwashed to want us.

I obviously can't change your minds, but I would ask you to check these apps and sites for yourselves. There's a site for men with different topics of forums. There's a forum where gay and bi men are telling their own celeb hook up experience. Some would open your eyes. Some even have pictures. These pictures of these married men on apps and reddit hook up pages have baby toys and wedding bands in them. It's sick. I'm annoyed to onky start noticing this now, as gay men have been telling me for years, and I would push it to the side and not pay them much attention. Even the stories from my neighbour or my friend didn't really open my eyes. For whatever reason, this has caught my attention, and I think the answer lies in the fact that men have more oppurtunity to cheat now.

Women usually don't want to be seen as a sl*t or homewrecker. We usually want more than a fling. Gay men are just as horny as they are all men. They are discreet and raring to go more than women, with no strings attached included. Plus, it's free! Why wouldn't they press that button when they needed sex and no female with a pulse was available.The more you do it, then the more you normalise it, I believe.

I probably didn't have much faith in men anyway, but this feels different now. I dont know how many of you know about the craiglist adverts where many straight were lookkng for women but gay men would msg them or theyd msg them, as women werent as keen to go to strange mens houses for sex. Remember the craiglist killer? Even he was seeking men and transgender women (more to rob them than for sex, but still). These craiglist adverts were the start of it all.

I know it's irrational, but it's how I feel, and it's a growing issue. Men can separate sex and emotions much easier than we can. Testosterone is one hell of a hormone. It just scares me for some unknown reason. Who I have believed straight men to be is not even close to who I think they are. I feel like the window has been cleared, and I'm finally seeing what really goes on behind the scenes.

If you need any nudge of a confirmation then just look at the MANY posts on here that discuss relationship issues, where the man has a porn addiction or has stopped having sex as frequently and then their partner finds them looking at gay porn or gay apps. There's quite a few. So is porn to blame? I know some men from my area, who were functioning addicts (you would never know as they worked and had families etc) and straight, but they saw some gay men for cash or for the more severe addicts, a bed for a few nights. It was widely known until word got around and they stopped.. apparently. There is a huge gay for pay corn department that has produced some of the finest men you will ever set eyes on. There was even a scandal a good few years ago when 7 Fort Bragg paratroopers, who were "straight" (at the time anyway), were caught in many of these gay porn videos, having enthusiastic sex with their other paratrooper friends. They were on the news as they went to court, and some were given a small prison sentence. They were discharged, and some were even charged with luring the other paratroopers to join in these videos. Most of these men were married (although some wives knew). Reading the reviews, it seems they all started off with as little sexual passion towards their partner in crime as possible, but he more videos they had done then the more they became at ease with what they are doing. Some of those straight married men looked like they had been doing it all their lives. Wedding bands in the pictures just for the extra nudge. If they can do it, then why can most straight men?

I forgot I had written this post actually and decided to watch the documentary about the staircase murder with Micheal Peterson. I didn't know he had been hooking up with men, and that was the centre of the prosecution trial. So it's brought me back here.

I don't think men understand what women need or want from relationships, and they especially don't know what a woman can go through when we are left for men. It can affect us in ways that not even we understand. I don't put all these straight men in one box, but the way it's looking for me is that the scales are tipping more for the ones who do practice this behaviour. Most say it's not cheating because it was a man, and there were no feelings of affection exchanged. They think if they had sought out another woman, then they would see themselves as cheaters, and they believe that their wives think along these lines too. They really don't know us at all

This all may just be natures way to finally change me into the woman whom I was always destined to become.. A CAT LADY!

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SmolTrashPanda · 30/11/2024 13:48

Josette77 · 24/11/2024 05:48

Normal straight family men don't go on gay dating apps.

Spend an hour or two looking on the sites where these kind of hookups are arranged and then see if you're still so confident about this.

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