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Please help me resolve a family dinner dilemma

136 replies

Dinnerdilemma · 02/11/2024 12:13

For a long time, DP and I have hosted my parents once a week for dinner. Over time, we’ve acquired a few extra regulars - elderly relatives and friends who are on their own (divorced or widowed). It’s usually a lovely get-together and something we all look forward to and enjoy.

We recently invited another (recently widowed) elderly man - not someone we know very well, but my mum was close to his wife, and one of our other regular guests is friends with him. He lives in our village. He’s always seemed quiet and unassuming, so we thought it would be nice to invite him where he’s now on his own.

Well, it turns out he has lots of strong opinions, many of which we just can’t get on board with. For example, sexist ideas about men’s and women’s roles, anti feminism, anti women progressing professionally. He has views on relationships that sound sympathetic to incel subculture.

When we tried to politely challenge some of his ideas - for example by telling him about a young, highly educated woman we know who competed with thousands of other applicants to secure a highly sought-after job - he dismissed our argument, saying well that’s all well and good, but it will come down to outcomes (as though to suggest she won’t deliver). DP works in a male-dominated industry and said to him some of the most competent, impressive people he’s worked with have been women. This man wasn’t having it.

And all this is being said in front of our young daughter, which I’m deeply uncomfortable with.

He tells us his views as though they’re fact and that we need to get on YouTube and watch this or that, as though to prove it. He’s said other things that have had us raising our eyebrows and which have left us, and others, feeling uncomfortable at our usually chilled-out and lovely meal. And he stays until really late afterwards, dominating the conversation!

Free speech = fine of course, but there are some (sexist/misogynistic/conspiracy theorist) views I don’t want aired in our home, around our family dinner table, in front of our daughter.

The problem now is that he knows it’s a regular weekly meal. He’s friends with one of our (lovely and much less opinionated) regulars (he and her husband were close) and last week he asked her if the meal was going ahead and she said yes, so he came again. He’s also recently widowed and lonely, so to tell him we don’t want him to come anymore would seem brutal.

Do we be direct and tell him it’s not going to work anymore (and say why)? Do we make some excuse up (e.g., more family are coming so there’s not enough room - which will actually be true come Christmas when our eldest and his girlfriend will be back from uni - and I know DS will not be able to shrug off his sexism/misogyny!)? DD has some activities ramping up this half-term so we could say we’re going to be too busy and pare back the dinners - but still quietly invite the original crowd. Or do we just put up with it out of kindness?

I’ve stopped looking forward to these once-lovely get-togethers. ☹️ Grateful for any help with navigating this.

OP posts:
jeaux90 · 02/11/2024 12:22

You sound so kind and lovely OP but you know this man is pushing your boundaries and displaying negative attitudes on women in front of your DD.

The way out of this is up to you but either way it needs to stop. If you want to keep including him you and your husband need to be clear about the boundaries he is not allowed to cross.

Otherwise you have to cancel for a while perhaps and start then back up low key as you suggested.

I am very senior in a male dominated industry and I would publicly hand this man his arse in a full intervention, but I'm a stroppy woman with a teen DD and I won't put up with this shit Grin

Octavia64 · 02/11/2024 12:24

Don't put up with it.

Ime these kind of people respond very badly to being called out so I would simply say that family are coming and there isn't room.

Hayley1256 · 02/11/2024 12:26

I would tell him if he wants to continue been invited then he needs to keep some of his opinions to himself. I wouldn't put up with this in my own home.

Womblewife · 02/11/2024 12:35

Cancel them for a couple of weeks and then start up again with only a few people coming. He is using your kind gesture to peddle his crap at the table, and I wouldn’t be having this. I would advise his friend that you can not accommodate this man anymore, due to his opinions in front of your child. Your house- your rules !!

FictionalCharacter · 02/11/2024 12:37

You don't have to invite anyone into your home if they make you uncomfortable. You're not a public service!
Just invite the others and not him. Everyone will know why. In the unlikely event that he actually calls you and asks you why you've invited others and not him, have a pre-prepared thing to say so that you're not caught on the hop. Up to you whether you make an excuse or say "we found the things you were saying unpleasant and rude Cedric".

Screamingabdabz · 02/11/2024 12:45

Nope. He burned his invitation right there. I wouldn’t even be apologetic about it. You can choose to not be assailed by a misogynist by not letting him into your house. How poetic. I’m sure the rest of your guests will be relieved too. Don’t even agonise over it “I’m afraid we aren’t doing the dinners any more Ken you’ve upset everyone too much…”

Brombat · 02/11/2024 12:51

Yes, have a short break. Restart with the understanding it's your perogative to invite people, not an open house. You're being very generous hosting, it should be lovely for you not an exercise in managing old gits.

ItsTheGAGGGGGGGG · 02/11/2024 12:53

I just wouldn’t invite him going forward. Yes, he knows it’s a weekly thing but sorry, he isn’t welcome. It’s your home!

Eddielizzard · 02/11/2024 12:56

Absolutely stop for a couple of weeks and start again quietly. Explain to your guests that this is a private dinner which is not open to anyone who wants.

When he came again, did he just show up or did he ask whether he could come again? How many times has he come now?

MilesOfCarpetTiles · 02/11/2024 12:57

He's a misogynist and therefore can't be surprised if a woman and her daughter don't want to invite him to something they are spending time, money and effort on.

I would not be inviting him again and would tell him so. Maybe suggest that obviously he's intelligent to work that out got himself?

Don't make excuses. Do consider having a break from the whole thing and rethinking how you want to think about invitations etc.

I feel for you. He sounds pretty thick and stubborn, tbh, like a primary school kid... not someone I'd see contributing to a nice grown-up evening.

Havalona · 02/11/2024 13:00

I think I'd just invite your parents and relatives for a few weeks. If and when anyone asks I would say that you have important family matters to discuss and this is our opportunity in private, or something like that.

Then gradually re invite the nice friends and leave Mr. Mysoginist out of it. As pp said have your answer ready and do not be cowed by him. He is making you, and I've no doubt all the others at your table uncomfortable. Nope, out he goes.

YellowRoom · 02/11/2024 13:01

You don't need to be nice to people who are horrible. Tell him and your mutual friend he's no longer welcome because he's an aggressive misognist.

ElBandito · 02/11/2024 13:02

"I'm afraid we are unable to accommodate you in future Alf Garnet"

LifeExperience · 02/11/2024 13:03

Stop inviting him.

Seaoftroubles · 02/11/2024 13:04

Absolutely do not invite him again. And if he queries it l would be very clear that you do not agree with his misogynistic views.

titchy · 02/11/2024 13:05

LifeExperience · 02/11/2024 13:03

Stop inviting him.

She didn't invite him second time though - he asked someone else if it was happening then rocked up! You definitely need to tell people that they are not to extend any invites to him - and that going forward it will be family and one or two people who are directly invited by you. It's not an open house.

Drom · 02/11/2024 13:05

Screamingabdabz · 02/11/2024 12:45

Nope. He burned his invitation right there. I wouldn’t even be apologetic about it. You can choose to not be assailed by a misogynist by not letting him into your house. How poetic. I’m sure the rest of your guests will be relieved too. Don’t even agonise over it “I’m afraid we aren’t doing the dinners any more Ken you’ve upset everyone too much…”

This. He tore up his own chance of a repeat invitation by being a misogynistic pig.

And take it up with your regular attendee, if she’s friends with Mr Incel. Tell you’d have appreciated a warning. Didn’t you ask her what he was like before inviting him to dinner?

And let that be a warning to you too, OP. You seem to approach this meal with a vaguely benevolent intent towards elderly ‘waifs and strays’, but just because someone is older and widowed, this doesn’t mean they are a decent human being. This is reminding me of another recent thread where the OP, on learning that an 87 year old man was moving in next door, was all cooing to her kids about how they’d need to ‘look in on him’ and help with his grocery shopping, only to be completely blindsided when the man was a sex pest with a flash car and no boundaries around her teenage daughter. Age and widower status doesn’t refine you out of being awful, if you’re awful.

YouAreOne · 02/11/2024 13:05

I wouldn't allow him in my home again.

I'd simply say that you're no longer able to accommodate him, you're not required to give a reason.

MilesOfCarpetTiles · 02/11/2024 13:05

Deleted as posted half a post in error!

OssieShowman · 02/11/2024 13:06

I would just go back to basics, just dinner with your parents and your family.
Give yourself time to consider other invitations down the track.
Enjoy this time with your mum and dad.
no need for this man to spoil everything for you.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 02/11/2024 13:09

I'd tell him he's not welcome because you don't like his sexist opinions and don't want him saying things like that in front of your teenage daughter.

MilesOfCarpetTiles · 02/11/2024 13:09

I wonder how he would feel if someone came to his house uninvited and repeatedly lied to him about the characteristics they decided he had based purely on his sex, race, country of birth, hair colour etc?

Perhaps something to him to think about.

AlertCat · 02/11/2024 13:10

The problem now is that he knows it’s a regular weekly meal. He’s friends with one of our (lovely and much less opinionated) regulars (he and her husband were close) and last week he asked her if the meal was going ahead and she said yes, so he came again. He’s also recently widowed and lonely, so to tell him we don’t want him to come anymore would seem brutal.

I would nip in the bud him coming without a direct invitation. Maybe send a message out generally to say that you have family coming to stay so for the foreseeable future there won’t be room for people to just drop in as they have previously (which you say is true), and then let Christmas be a reason, and then hopefully that’s long enough to reset the pattern; of course you can find space to invite the people you like. If you feel really bad, you could invite him again in a few months, but shut down any unpleasant opinions- “Cyril, we really disagree with you on that and find it offensive, and I don’t want a row at the table. Please let’s change the subject to [wooden vs glass chess pieces]”.

Your dinners sound lovely so I hope you find a solution that works for you.

MuggleMe · 02/11/2024 13:12

You tell him straight that he's entitled to his opinion but you don't enjoy his company so won't be inviting him again.

MILLYmo0se · 02/11/2024 13:15

I'd be tempted to invite him again and call him out on his bullshit in front of your daughter to set an example for her, and make it clear to everyone else at the table why he not at future dinners. Then no need for awkwardness around how to stop him turning up or worse again others trying to talk you into let him attend

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