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He bought her diamond jewellery - Follow on thread

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Spikyseason · 29/10/2024 09:24

I was in two minds as to whether to make a follow-on thread, but primarily I wanted to thank everyone who supported me on the previous thread. I am so grateful for such comprehensive and sound advice, and for those who were brave enough to share their own experiences with me. I do at least feel less alone.

I have an update as I spoke to DH when he got home yesterday, about everything. I’ll try to summarise.

He was still cagey about his feelings for OW. He did admit he missed her and he said he had communicated that to her since. He also said he was only human and had wanted to make sure she was ok, ‘what happened’ was his fault and he hadn’t intended to hurt her or me. He apologised for it, said it wouldn’t happen again. That ultimately he had made the decision to commit to his family and the promises he made. Usual. Wanted the opportunity to prove that.

The furthest he would admit to was that it was an emotional thing (couldn’t really deny that given the jewellery - he promised it was not a ring) but ultimately being in his children’s lives was more important, that clearly there are problems in our marriage that he should have addressed, he didn’t blame me, but overall he felt we could work on any problems between us for the sake of DC and he understood it would take a long time for me to trust him.

I do feel very much like he wants to just get back to normal asap. I also feel like he is maybe either lying to me about feelings for OW or in denial. Perhaps he thinks with time any feelings will fade. I think though if you genuinely loved someone that never goes away. I don’t suppose I’ll get any true answers on that front. I mean worst case he did and I suppose we just carry on and hope for the best and he forgets all about her, if he genuinely is committed to that?

On some level of course I worry this would never have happened if he genuinely loved me. I read something somewhere once that if someone falls in love outside of the marriage then it’s almost always irreconcilable. But if we’re both determined to make it work then I hope eventually the memory and pain will fade? I don’t know - I would welcome thoughts from those who tried but ultimately had to call it a day 😕 I don’t know if I’m kidding myself. My primary concern is DC but also aware I have a fear of change.

I was having therapy before, I’ve rebooked some sessions to help get my head straight as I don’t feel strong enough to leave yet. Part of me feels like time will test his actual commitment. Then there’s the angry part of me that doesn’t see why he should just be able to walk out on his wife and family into a shiny new life…

Anyway, I just wanted to provide a little update and thank you all again x

OP posts:
BlackStrayCat · 20/11/2024 12:24

@Spikyseason , I am also proud of you.

Gather your strength and get divorced as soon as you are ready.

ThatFlightyTemptressAdventure · 20/11/2024 13:08

You have come so far from your first post, and you are right to take the time that you need before you take action.

Be proud of yourself for facing the truth. You can and will get through this.

AnonAnonmystery · 20/11/2024 13:57

@Spikyseason the fake reconciliation is just a further betrayal or a double betrayal as well as a disrespect to you.
I am glad you have a plan in place and it’s very common for people to get Christmas over and done with. I have read somewhere that divorce lawyers are the busiest in January and this is why!
Have you managed to get yourself some counselling?
Agree with the others, you have come a long way since your first post.

Spikyseason · 20/11/2024 15:47

AnonAnonmystery · 20/11/2024 13:57

@Spikyseason the fake reconciliation is just a further betrayal or a double betrayal as well as a disrespect to you.
I am glad you have a plan in place and it’s very common for people to get Christmas over and done with. I have read somewhere that divorce lawyers are the busiest in January and this is why!
Have you managed to get yourself some counselling?
Agree with the others, you have come a long way since your first post.

Thank you - I’m sure in his mind it wasn’t ‘fake’ given he had ‘made his decision to stay’…! No matter there was nothing genuine behind it. I am still so confused he thought that it might actually work long term, if this is how he really felt about the OW.

OP posts:
Ebbyfroom · 20/11/2024 16:04

Spikyseason · 20/11/2024 15:47

Thank you - I’m sure in his mind it wasn’t ‘fake’ given he had ‘made his decision to stay’…! No matter there was nothing genuine behind it. I am still so confused he thought that it might actually work long term, if this is how he really felt about the OW.

In a couple of years time, when you’re living a life, that although wasn’t the one you planned, but is better than you even imagine at the moment, you’ll look back on this and realise the strength you had to choose you and your children.

You’ll stand in your kitchen one day, looking around at all the choices you’ve made, in a warm, safe and cosy home with your children and think how far you’ve come, and how happy and content you are, living a life where you get to choose who is part of it. You would have chosen you, and your children. You won’t have this person staying with you so he can have access full time to his children.

Thats not what he chose the moment he decided to have an affair with someone else. So he will have to deal with that.

Onwards and upwards for you now! Xmas will soon be over (not to say I don’t hope you and your children have a magical time) and January will be here for you to start planning what is next for you.

Any guilt is not yours to own, he chose someone else, and not his family so he must deal with that alone as you move on.

Allow yourself to daydream what your new life will look like; I think it’s helpful to think about what you could have, rather than what you may be losing.

Every happiness to you moving forward xx

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 20/11/2024 19:50

I felt sad reading your updates because you can’t see how fantastic you are, and how much you are worth.
You are clearly very bright, a great mum, and very loving.
It saddened me to think that you feel you are the wrong side of 40, nobody else will want you and you don’t have much in the way of career prospects.
I know a lot about your life from your posts but very little about you.
There have been a couple of threads on here recently from women who have been in marriages of about forty years, where the husbands have walked out. And they are left picking up the pieces after giving all of their lives to a husband and family. It can be done, but having to start again in your 60’s is tough.
This man has spent 80k that should have been for his family on this OW. He should not have contacted her.
He wants to stay for the children? It is not good enough. You get one precious life, OP, you don’t get to live it all again.
Don’t stay for your children because he can walk out again at any time.
If it’s to a shiny life then let him. Never think that because you’ve invested time and care in your marriage that it has to be fair.
And sooner or later even if he did go to the OW he’d have to sort out a divorce, and childcare, and soon he’d be doing all the things that probably annoy you, just in a different house. The shine wears off.
Do something with your prized and wonderful life. Your DC will be proud even if they aren’t sure why. Demand absolute love and devotion if that’s what you need but only from someone who can provide it.
It is your decision but I couldn’t look at this man again. And it’s no life having access to passwords etc it’s an awful way to live.
Leap into the unknown with both feet. Right now, he is too comfortable and you are fearful.
It might break your heart now but in 10 or 20 years time it will do far worse.

PolkaOrange · 20/11/2024 20:22

PS. Can I just add the therapy/counselling thing. It can be tiresome when people suggest this as a “go to” but it really can help you process stuff. Even when you are insightful, as you seem, you may make helpful discoveries and get some support. Some things are a lot to handle by yourself, even if we manage to do it for years. It might take a few different therapists to find the right one. Maybe 3 or 4 sessions with someone I think usually gives an indication as to whether they are a “good match”.

I concur with @PeggyMitchellsCameo that you probably don’t see how fantastic you are. It got me thinking …. perhaps some women just don’t.

I hope you get some time to relax in the lead up before Xmas.

Compash · 21/11/2024 10:40

He sounds like someone who cares very much about how he looks to the world - how he appears, does he come off as a fine guy - that's what the syrupy 'someone to love you properly' was about 🤢 - how noble of him! Staying 'for the kids' - what a hero! 🙄 Ties in with working so hard for material success, going to the gym... even the expensive diamond necklace is straight out of the 'big show-off gesture' playbook... he's the star of his own romantic movie... Does this sound right? Do you think he'd be mortified if everyone knew what he'd been up to?

So going forward, that's your lever to get to him. Get him to act honourably, to be self-sacrificing in his behaviour and generous in the settlement... you hold to power to expose or protect his self-image. You can use his narcissism like a ring in the nose of a bull to control him...

Once you've seen someone's soft underbelly like that, it's impossible to go back to respecting them. You're processing this, it's a lot to process, and this is a gruelling time of year coming up... but look after yourself as best you can and sharpen yourself like a knife... A better time will come to you.

Spikyseason · 21/11/2024 11:16

Compash · 21/11/2024 10:40

He sounds like someone who cares very much about how he looks to the world - how he appears, does he come off as a fine guy - that's what the syrupy 'someone to love you properly' was about 🤢 - how noble of him! Staying 'for the kids' - what a hero! 🙄 Ties in with working so hard for material success, going to the gym... even the expensive diamond necklace is straight out of the 'big show-off gesture' playbook... he's the star of his own romantic movie... Does this sound right? Do you think he'd be mortified if everyone knew what he'd been up to?

So going forward, that's your lever to get to him. Get him to act honourably, to be self-sacrificing in his behaviour and generous in the settlement... you hold to power to expose or protect his self-image. You can use his narcissism like a ring in the nose of a bull to control him...

Once you've seen someone's soft underbelly like that, it's impossible to go back to respecting them. You're processing this, it's a lot to process, and this is a gruelling time of year coming up... but look after yourself as best you can and sharpen yourself like a knife... A better time will come to you.

I genuinely think in his mind he is a hero for staying. Probably a way of making himself feel better, yes he ‘made a mistake’ but it’s in the past and he nobly made the decision to stay, despite how much he felt for the OW and what a catch she was, so what a great guy. He has sacrificed so much….

his going to the gym more after discovery was his way of ‘me time’ given he lost that when he stopped the affair. Better work like balance because his job is so stressful…

ugh.

OP posts:
AnonAnonmystery · 21/11/2024 11:18

@Spikyseason can you be certain he’s stopped the affair with the ow, given the depth of feelings involved?

Spikyseason · 21/11/2024 11:27

AnonAnonmystery · 21/11/2024 11:18

@Spikyseason can you be certain he’s stopped the affair with the ow, given the depth of feelings involved?

I think he stopped seeing her. I actually think part of that was actually more for her sake than mine. Given he’d decided to stay he had nothing to offer her. Probably genuinely meant it when he told her she deserved better. I don’t think he stopped thinking about her though, hence, fake reconciliation.

I guess it doesn’t really matter if we split up, he will probably try to go back if she’ll have him.

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TipsyJoker · 21/11/2024 11:31

Get him to F! He’s vile.

Apolloneuro · 21/11/2024 11:32

You’re the one who deserves better @Spikyseason xx

pikkumyy77 · 21/11/2024 12:17

Yes he will do a lot—pamper himself, go to the gym, expensive toys, meals out, to redress the imbalance created by “giving” you the “win” and sacrificing himself. The moment he decided to stay he understood himself to be the real victim in the story. At this point in his psychodrama he owes you nothing and you owe him for ruining his life. Be careful.

Newdaynewstarts · 21/11/2024 13:48

He says he loves you. Let’s assume he does, in his own way.
Does he love you in the way you want to be loved.

Newdaynewstarts · 21/11/2024 13:49

If my dh said I love you and I want it shag someone at work I’d tell him to fuck himself.
Not all love is … well … loving

Plastictrees · 21/11/2024 14:07

He has shown you his true colours. It would be torture for you to be complicit in his masquerading as an upstanding citizen when he is anything but! You are worth so much more.

What are your Christmas plans @Spikyseason ?

Ndd1356387 · 21/11/2024 17:14

Hang on. Just read this thread and the one before. Your DH bought a woman he clearly is in love with, a 20k diamond necklace? This is insane. He is in love with her. Let him go OP and have a better life.

Spikyseason · 21/11/2024 17:24

Ndd1356387 · 21/11/2024 17:14

Hang on. Just read this thread and the one before. Your DH bought a woman he clearly is in love with, a 20k diamond necklace? This is insane. He is in love with her. Let him go OP and have a better life.

Yes part of me thinks that but also he didn’t leave to be with her did he. That’s why it’s such a head fuck.,

OP posts:
Spikyseason · 21/11/2024 17:25

Plastictrees · 21/11/2024 14:07

He has shown you his true colours. It would be torture for you to be complicit in his masquerading as an upstanding citizen when he is anything but! You are worth so much more.

What are your Christmas plans @Spikyseason ?

Christmas will be tough. I am just going through the motions really, we have a lot of family over so that will be a distraction at least.

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AnonAnonmystery · 21/11/2024 17:28

@Spikyseason you will get through Christmas with the thought that you don’t need to go through this bs next year! This kind of though always got me through when I’d decided in my head to divorce my ExH.

How are things between you despite this?

Ndd1356387 · 21/11/2024 17:29

Spikyseason · 21/11/2024 17:24

Yes part of me thinks that but also he didn’t leave to be with her did he. That’s why it’s such a head fuck.,

Yep but that’s because he is a coward. This is actually really sad.

Spikyseason · 21/11/2024 17:30

AnonAnonmystery · 21/11/2024 17:28

@Spikyseason you will get through Christmas with the thought that you don’t need to go through this bs next year! This kind of though always got me through when I’d decided in my head to divorce my ExH.

How are things between you despite this?

He works a lot and I’m in bed by the time he comes home, so I’ve managed to avoid him tbh. I’ve kept weekends busy with stuff for the kids. It’s just functioning really.
I found the OW’s Instagram account too so been torturing myself over that 😕 which is stupid I know. But in a weird sense helping me stay angry, which I need right now.

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Ndd1356387 · 21/11/2024 17:31

Oh OP this is beyond sad. You need to find the courage to stand up to him.

NoisyDenimShaker · 21/11/2024 17:53

Ndd1356387 · 21/11/2024 17:29

Yep but that’s because he is a coward. This is actually really sad.

Also, and I say this in the most gentle way possible, but I think he's probably staying for the kids, and also so that he doesn't have to pay @Spikyseason money. I think it's most likely a practical decision. Spiky, I say this because you said him staying is a head fuck, and I don't want you to be confused by his staying into trying again, and wasting more of your precious years, before in all likelihood fucking off again.

If he's done this once, he's very likely to do it once more. The best predictor of future behaviour is past behaviour.

I hate this for you, Spiky, I really do, but I think you're best served by looking at the facts and accepting them, rather than letting your hopes rise because he stayed. I am so, so sorry. You deserve way better, and you will find it. My husband was horrible to me, albeit in a different way, and I would rather be single for a thousand years than live with that instability and clear lack of love again. I like the peace of being single, of filling my spare time with friends and hobbies, and knowing that my home is my sanctuary, not a place where I get my heart broken and everything about me is found wanting.

There's a better life out there for you, Spiky, than living with someone who had sex with another woman and bought her a 20k diamond necklace.