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He bought her diamond jewellery - Follow on thread

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Spikyseason · 29/10/2024 09:24

I was in two minds as to whether to make a follow-on thread, but primarily I wanted to thank everyone who supported me on the previous thread. I am so grateful for such comprehensive and sound advice, and for those who were brave enough to share their own experiences with me. I do at least feel less alone.

I have an update as I spoke to DH when he got home yesterday, about everything. I’ll try to summarise.

He was still cagey about his feelings for OW. He did admit he missed her and he said he had communicated that to her since. He also said he was only human and had wanted to make sure she was ok, ‘what happened’ was his fault and he hadn’t intended to hurt her or me. He apologised for it, said it wouldn’t happen again. That ultimately he had made the decision to commit to his family and the promises he made. Usual. Wanted the opportunity to prove that.

The furthest he would admit to was that it was an emotional thing (couldn’t really deny that given the jewellery - he promised it was not a ring) but ultimately being in his children’s lives was more important, that clearly there are problems in our marriage that he should have addressed, he didn’t blame me, but overall he felt we could work on any problems between us for the sake of DC and he understood it would take a long time for me to trust him.

I do feel very much like he wants to just get back to normal asap. I also feel like he is maybe either lying to me about feelings for OW or in denial. Perhaps he thinks with time any feelings will fade. I think though if you genuinely loved someone that never goes away. I don’t suppose I’ll get any true answers on that front. I mean worst case he did and I suppose we just carry on and hope for the best and he forgets all about her, if he genuinely is committed to that?

On some level of course I worry this would never have happened if he genuinely loved me. I read something somewhere once that if someone falls in love outside of the marriage then it’s almost always irreconcilable. But if we’re both determined to make it work then I hope eventually the memory and pain will fade? I don’t know - I would welcome thoughts from those who tried but ultimately had to call it a day 😕 I don’t know if I’m kidding myself. My primary concern is DC but also aware I have a fear of change.

I was having therapy before, I’ve rebooked some sessions to help get my head straight as I don’t feel strong enough to leave yet. Part of me feels like time will test his actual commitment. Then there’s the angry part of me that doesn’t see why he should just be able to walk out on his wife and family into a shiny new life…

Anyway, I just wanted to provide a little update and thank you all again x

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NoisyDenimShaker · 02/11/2024 21:21

God, Spiky, I am so sorry for you. No one should have to go through this.

It sounds as if there is peace to be had in accepting that he did/does love her. I guess he turned out not to be the right person for you. Take heart; it happens to many people, and many people have a better marriage the second time.

It probably hasn't occurred to him that in staying for the kids, he's denying you the chance to be loved as you deserve to be loved. He seems to have this thing about not losing his kids. But he wouldn't lose them. Sure, he'd see less of them, but so would you. It's equal. Another thing he probably hasn't realised.

I don't expect that you'll be ready to do this for some time, but the healthiest way through this is to let him go, and rebuild your life. Radical acceptance. Try, as far as possible, not to care about what happens with them both. It doesn't matter, and is beside the point really. What matters is that he doesn't love you the way you deserve to be loved.

You should not have to live with someone who loves someone else. That is unreasonable behaviour on his part, to expect you to give up the chance to be genuinely loved so that he can live in the same house as his kids. That seems to be what he's trying to do, but life doesn't work like that.

Cyber-hug to Spiky ((((Spiky))))

cooldarkroom · 02/11/2024 21:27

Realistically he works crazy long hours.
He doesn't see the dc much anyway, & wasn't worried about not seeing them when out shopping/shagging/taking trips with OW.
He is more interested in not being "robbed" of half his house & pension.
He is waiting for the dust to settle & for OP to stop asking for love & reassurance.

Spikyseason · 03/11/2024 08:04

NoisyDenimShaker · 02/11/2024 21:21

God, Spiky, I am so sorry for you. No one should have to go through this.

It sounds as if there is peace to be had in accepting that he did/does love her. I guess he turned out not to be the right person for you. Take heart; it happens to many people, and many people have a better marriage the second time.

It probably hasn't occurred to him that in staying for the kids, he's denying you the chance to be loved as you deserve to be loved. He seems to have this thing about not losing his kids. But he wouldn't lose them. Sure, he'd see less of them, but so would you. It's equal. Another thing he probably hasn't realised.

I don't expect that you'll be ready to do this for some time, but the healthiest way through this is to let him go, and rebuild your life. Radical acceptance. Try, as far as possible, not to care about what happens with them both. It doesn't matter, and is beside the point really. What matters is that he doesn't love you the way you deserve to be loved.

You should not have to live with someone who loves someone else. That is unreasonable behaviour on his part, to expect you to give up the chance to be genuinely loved so that he can live in the same house as his kids. That seems to be what he's trying to do, but life doesn't work like that.

Cyber-hug to Spiky ((((Spiky))))

Thank you - this is funny actually. He said to OW that she deserved to be with someone who could love her properly. Unencumbered by a wife and kids I suppose! This is all very true.

I haven’t said anything to him yet as it’s the holidays, just trying to get through one day at a time. Thank you for the continued support! Xx

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KTSl1964 · 03/11/2024 08:32

I’m wondering what your husband does at home for the family - does he partake in any chores at all - he sounds very selfish - work then gym - what ever day? Did you have date nights or go out as a family? 80K - including flights - where did he say he was going?
Id ask him to move out - or into a spare room for now - he’s had no consequences- you told him affairs where a deal breaker - but yet he’s still home!!!
Yes being a single parent is hard at times but it’s also freeing from men who abuse and cheat - he will do it again!!!
It’s not you - he didn’t communicate his needs did he - he made a conscious effort to pursue another woman, to continually lie to you and spend a great deal of money on her.
You will get stronger - you will find your anger - how dare he do this to you.
🌺

AnonAnonmystery · 03/11/2024 09:19

Am glad you are just getting through day by day. Even if your mind is made up ( and I think it is), it’s best to get legal advice and professional emotional support.

How do you know he said to the OW that she deserves someone to “love her properly”?
She actually deserves nothing in my eyes. There are plenty of single men out there but she made a choice to be with your H.

Spikyseason · 03/11/2024 09:28

AnonAnonmystery · 03/11/2024 09:19

Am glad you are just getting through day by day. Even if your mind is made up ( and I think it is), it’s best to get legal advice and professional emotional support.

How do you know he said to the OW that she deserves someone to “love her properly”?
She actually deserves nothing in my eyes. There are plenty of single men out there but she made a choice to be with your H.

On the phone when he was ‘breaking up with her’. Said he was just trying to soften the blow but he probably actually meant it as @NoisyDenimShaker made a very good point…

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LetGoLetThem1234 · 03/11/2024 09:29

Take your time@Spikyseason . There will a lot of sadness and rage whilst moving forward.

It is hard to create a new life.

Especially when you had no idea that the person who you thought you could trust, the person with whom you would get through the difficulties of life, has actually created such a huge difficulty (for you and your children) that it has destroyed your marriage.

I think most people have had to reconfigure their life plans and expectations at some point.

That doesn't make it any easier or less painful for you. But as time goes by it does get easier and eventually you'll reach a point when you'll look back and feel proud of what you have done to make life better for yourself and your children. Flowers

ZippyDoodle · 03/11/2024 09:46

Crikey, all his concern about the OW deserving to be with someone who could love her properly. No thought about you or what you deserve.

I think my parting shot when delivering the news would have to be, "I deserve to be with someone who loves me properly."

He is a selfish prick though so it will probably go over his head.

Plastictrees · 03/11/2024 10:02

The care for her feelings expressed in front of you is nauseating, especially considering the flagrant disregard for your feelings due to what he did! It sounds like he has neglected you and family life for some time. I am certain your life will feel lighter and brighter, in time, once you are no longer shackled to him.

rainbowstardrops · 03/11/2024 10:48

I think you are right in coming to the decision to walk away from this because it must be absolutely soul destroying to know your husband actually loves someone else and is effectively staying in the marriage out of duty rather than wanting to.
You have my utmost admiration

Hollietree · 03/11/2024 10:57

Plastictrees · 03/11/2024 10:02

The care for her feelings expressed in front of you is nauseating, especially considering the flagrant disregard for your feelings due to what he did! It sounds like he has neglected you and family life for some time. I am certain your life will feel lighter and brighter, in time, once you are no longer shackled to him.

Yes this is the crux of the issue. If I were in your shoes @Spikyseason this would be the dealbreaker for me.

He told her that she deserved to be with someone who truly loved her and could give her 100%

He’s telling you that you deserve to be with a man who stays with you out of duty and so that he can remain living with the children.

He is putting his needs first. Thinking about the feelings of the OW and what she deserves. But not thinking at all about what you deserve.

For the record you deserve to be with someone who loves and adores you, considers your needs, sees you as an equal.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 03/11/2024 12:56

ZippyDoodle · 03/11/2024 09:46

Crikey, all his concern about the OW deserving to be with someone who could love her properly. No thought about you or what you deserve.

I think my parting shot when delivering the news would have to be, "I deserve to be with someone who loves me properly."

He is a selfish prick though so it will probably go over his head.

Agree 100 Per cent.

Its all about what he needs, what he gets out of staying and what he is "giving up" "Sacrificing". He's not considering your feelings in anyway at all. Just telling you what he needs you to do.

You've spent five months in the mindset of both "working" on repairing your marriage ie not rocking the boat, not being over demanding, trying to consider his pov,with the potential that all this could go away and life could return to normal.

And this new very recent revelation adding up to a total £80k, has been a total shock, no wonder you need time to process it all.

Please put yourself first from now on Be VERY VERY kind and forgiving to yourself. Treat yourself well and take good care of yourself, and gather people you can trust around you.

Bumblebeestiltskin · 03/11/2024 13:21

Spikyseason · 03/11/2024 09:28

On the phone when he was ‘breaking up with her’. Said he was just trying to soften the blow but he probably actually meant it as @NoisyDenimShaker made a very good point…

Oh god, I'm so sorry that he said that in front of you. He obviously didn't get the irony that he was telling her that she deserved more when obviously not believing that YOU deserve more. And you very much do deserve more!

Loopytiles · 03/11/2024 18:55

On the anxiety, if you’re really strongly anti medication, counselling (for you alone) from someone well qualified could be good. Exercise, avoid booze, if you have a spare room would sleep there at least part of the time (it can’t help to be sharing a room with your H) and use v boring podcasts to help with sleep - history ones can be good, or something like Not Much Happens.

Would see a lawyer secretly, to get better understanding of your position, dig out financial info.

and perhaps go ‘grey rock’ on your H.

Nelly555 · 03/11/2024 21:41

Hi @Spikyseason

I am so sorry you are going through this. I have had a unhappy marriage and stayed because I didn't want to uproot the children.
I couldn't leave for financial reasons.

I was a SAHM and there wasn't enough equity for us to sell up and buy something else.

Always thought I would leave when the children got older. For various reasons I didn't retrain, had a lot of health problems, so I'm still financially dependant on my husband.

Im the wrong side of 50, so I am saying this from a place of experience.

He has treated you appallingly, being with someone who you know doesn't love you will chip away at you. It did me and I had a breakdown.

You may not think it but you have age on your side. Start investing in yourself, gym membership, treatments but most importantly a good therapist.

There is no need to rush things but I do feel that you will be happier in the long run leaving this marriage.
Otherwise you will be posting in 10 years time about how unhappy you are.

You deserve so much better lovely, it will be difficult but you can do it. Sending love and best wishes x

HeBeaverandSheBeaver · 03/11/2024 22:32

Your amazing, Understanding is the first step to acceptance, and only with acceptance can there be recovery ❤️‍🩹

NoisyDenimShaker · 03/11/2024 23:08

Spiky, I just want to say that when my life fell apart - and BOY did it fall apart; I lost both my parents, my husband left me, and a couple more things - I found medication very helpful. Not saying it's right for you, but I found it calmed me, gave me back my perspective, and really balanced me. It's a pity they get such a bad rap, because in my experience, they helped me a lot. I had antidepressants, plus Ativan for occasional high-stress points, like my parents' final days. I'm not saying it's right for you, I'm just saying don't completely dismiss the idea. They're there to help at the very worst times of your life, and help me they did.

Plastictrees · 06/11/2024 13:29

How are you @Spikyseason ?

Battyfumworts · 19/11/2024 21:20

Have been thinking about you @Spikyseason, how are you?

AnonAnonmystery · 19/11/2024 23:15

Battyfumworts · 19/11/2024 21:20

Have been thinking about you @Spikyseason, how are you?

I second that 😊 hope you are doing ok x

Spikyseason · 20/11/2024 10:34

Thanks to those checking in. I am ok, functioning. Still reeling from not only the recent discovery but I am struggling to get my head around how someone can be content to live a completely fake life. I feel like I don’t know him at all. He feels that strongly about someone else and yet even after discovery would have just pretended, for years, that there was even anything left between us. The affairs are one thing… fake reconciliation another. In some senses it’s even crueller. Literally repeating the same cycle and still denying me the ability to make my own choices based on the truth. Supposedly for the kids but he isn’t here most of the time anyway. It’s all fake.

I am waiting until after Christmas to do anything as I can’t cope with that right now but I have seen a lawyer and I know what next steps are when I’m ready.

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Trickedbyadoughnut · 20/11/2024 10:37

Sending you much kindness and strength @Spikyseason

Plastictrees · 20/11/2024 10:49

Spikyseason · 20/11/2024 10:34

Thanks to those checking in. I am ok, functioning. Still reeling from not only the recent discovery but I am struggling to get my head around how someone can be content to live a completely fake life. I feel like I don’t know him at all. He feels that strongly about someone else and yet even after discovery would have just pretended, for years, that there was even anything left between us. The affairs are one thing… fake reconciliation another. In some senses it’s even crueller. Literally repeating the same cycle and still denying me the ability to make my own choices based on the truth. Supposedly for the kids but he isn’t here most of the time anyway. It’s all fake.

I am waiting until after Christmas to do anything as I can’t cope with that right now but I have seen a lawyer and I know what next steps are when I’m ready.

This stranger on the internet is proud of you! You are doing brilliantly. Waiting until after Christmas sounds sensible to me.

It’s only natural you’d be reeling from this. None of this is okay at all. One day this will be a memory and your life will be so much happier. Believe it.

StartupRepair · 20/11/2024 11:00

Well done on seeing the lawyer. Hope you have clarity about the next steps when you are ready.

pikkumyy77 · 20/11/2024 12:20

You will come out of this tunnel, with time. You are very brave to recognize that fake reconciliation would be a trap and a deeper darkness and death of self. But you are alive and will stay alive as you struggle to crawl out of this dark place.