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He bought her diamond jewellery - Follow on thread

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Spikyseason · 29/10/2024 09:24

I was in two minds as to whether to make a follow-on thread, but primarily I wanted to thank everyone who supported me on the previous thread. I am so grateful for such comprehensive and sound advice, and for those who were brave enough to share their own experiences with me. I do at least feel less alone.

I have an update as I spoke to DH when he got home yesterday, about everything. I’ll try to summarise.

He was still cagey about his feelings for OW. He did admit he missed her and he said he had communicated that to her since. He also said he was only human and had wanted to make sure she was ok, ‘what happened’ was his fault and he hadn’t intended to hurt her or me. He apologised for it, said it wouldn’t happen again. That ultimately he had made the decision to commit to his family and the promises he made. Usual. Wanted the opportunity to prove that.

The furthest he would admit to was that it was an emotional thing (couldn’t really deny that given the jewellery - he promised it was not a ring) but ultimately being in his children’s lives was more important, that clearly there are problems in our marriage that he should have addressed, he didn’t blame me, but overall he felt we could work on any problems between us for the sake of DC and he understood it would take a long time for me to trust him.

I do feel very much like he wants to just get back to normal asap. I also feel like he is maybe either lying to me about feelings for OW or in denial. Perhaps he thinks with time any feelings will fade. I think though if you genuinely loved someone that never goes away. I don’t suppose I’ll get any true answers on that front. I mean worst case he did and I suppose we just carry on and hope for the best and he forgets all about her, if he genuinely is committed to that?

On some level of course I worry this would never have happened if he genuinely loved me. I read something somewhere once that if someone falls in love outside of the marriage then it’s almost always irreconcilable. But if we’re both determined to make it work then I hope eventually the memory and pain will fade? I don’t know - I would welcome thoughts from those who tried but ultimately had to call it a day 😕 I don’t know if I’m kidding myself. My primary concern is DC but also aware I have a fear of change.

I was having therapy before, I’ve rebooked some sessions to help get my head straight as I don’t feel strong enough to leave yet. Part of me feels like time will test his actual commitment. Then there’s the angry part of me that doesn’t see why he should just be able to walk out on his wife and family into a shiny new life…

Anyway, I just wanted to provide a little update and thank you all again x

OP posts:
Rollonsummerplease · 30/10/2024 15:40

Spikyseason · 30/10/2024 14:55

My intention wasn’t to cause any offence at all. I feel it’s entirely possible for women to be single and happy. My sister’s DH cheated, she left him and after a long and very tough period, she is doing a lot better. I know it can happen. I just don’t believe it will happen for me.

I know I need to work on addressing that and why I feel like it’s so out of reach.

So your sister is a positive example of a family member who has made a fresh start after her DH cheated. But you are chosing to look at the example of your DM who didn't?
Your H really has done a number on you OP.
You are a wealthy woman with your own business and you must have status even just because of that. And yet your life as PA to your " important" H has totally diminished you and your self esteem.
It's really sad. You seem totally to have no self belief and it's hard to fathom whether its because of your discovery that your H is a cheat and liar- probably a serial cheat - or whether your self belief was totally eroded before this discovery.
It seems though your DH is certainly taking his cue from you in his treatment of you.
Also if he really didn't think you would care about him being unfaithful it's not hard to guess the line he has fed the OW: that your marriage was such he had free reign to have sex with who ever he wants.

DBD1975 · 30/10/2024 15:50

Blooming heck, I might be able to forgive the affair but not the 80K!!! You are obviously in a very high income household if this sort of expenditure is considered acceptable.
I have been with my DH 40 years and he hasn't spent that much on me in all that time!

Spikyseason · 30/10/2024 15:54

DBD1975 · 30/10/2024 15:50

Blooming heck, I might be able to forgive the affair but not the 80K!!! You are obviously in a very high income household if this sort of expenditure is considered acceptable.
I have been with my DH 40 years and he hasn't spent that much on me in all that time!

Yep, hotels, flights, gifts, restaurants… the whole shebang! I don’t think I’ve fully processed it yet. It’s completely shocking.

OP posts:
northernlight20 · 30/10/2024 16:00

I was wrong side of 40 when i got divorced with 4 kids, got my life together, was very happy dipping in and out of dating when i met my second husband. its much better to be single than playing house to a cheating man who seems surprised you were bothered about his cheating. i would want my daughters to value themselves more. Its even worse staying when you have the money to help smooth the transition.

grassyknees · 30/10/2024 16:02

Why not tentatively start looking at Returner programmes? For a previously professional woman who has taken some time out of the workplace, they can be a lifesaver. Even if you don't find a specific role, the website offer tonnes of advice on CV's, how to look for opportunities etc.
Time to put yourself at the top of the list of priorities and try to future proof a bit. I bet you were bloody brilliant in your career and this might be the boost you need, just for you. careerreturners.com/?s=Events

Spikyseason · 30/10/2024 16:05

grassyknees · 30/10/2024 16:02

Why not tentatively start looking at Returner programmes? For a previously professional woman who has taken some time out of the workplace, they can be a lifesaver. Even if you don't find a specific role, the website offer tonnes of advice on CV's, how to look for opportunities etc.
Time to put yourself at the top of the list of priorities and try to future proof a bit. I bet you were bloody brilliant in your career and this might be the boost you need, just for you. careerreturners.com/?s=Events

Thank you - that’s really helpful. As per a previous post though I never really had a ‘career’. I didn’t qualify, and then only really had odd jobs. And also my business is more of a hobby. Would definitely
be making a loss if it were a business. But it keeps me occupied and something to focus on at least!

OP posts:
Trickedbyadoughnut · 30/10/2024 16:08

My heart really goes out to you @Spikyseason

He's obviously contributed to you feeling inferior in your work life. He doesn't seem to have encouraged you to find another field or niche that would make you happy. Instead, you leaving the sector seems to have made it all about you propping him and his big job up.

He's now made you feel so inferior in what should be your closest and dearest relationship and is clearly telling you that he's staying for the children.

You sound like a lovely person and you deserve so much more than constantly being made to feel second best. There's so much out there for you if you can get free of him and his disgusting behaviour.

CautiousLurker1 · 30/10/2024 16:56

Spikyseason · 30/10/2024 10:51

Presumably he deleted call history, messages etc. he never had his phone locked during the affair. I always had access.

I just genuinely don’t think I will find anyone else. I’m the wrong side of 40. Young kids. Never really even dated anyone else. I saw what this did to DM, and that has probably made me irrationally afraid of being alone.

It’s different for men, especially when they have money. He will shack up with OW or someone else, possibly more kids.

I am trying to not think too far ahead and focus on the next step which will be trying to gain some independence. I know I will probably start to feel better about things after that but right now I can’t imagine feeling any different.

Returning to this late, but just wanted to say that 40 is no age!! I know at least 4 women who have started again in their fifties, let alone forties after divorces and one being widowed. I even have a friend who met /married/had 2 children in her forties (letter not to be recommended though, as it’s knackering at that age!). They’ve started new chapters, made new friends, taken up new things and met new partners.

One of my closest friends was ‘dumped’ at 54 when her twins headed to university. The ExH was having an affair and she only found out because younger model exposed him. He actually had a break down because, well, the new OW is not terribly ‘well-balanced’, but he has subsequently ended up trapped in a relationship with her because he got her pregnant.

My friend was devastated as she’d no idea there was anything wrong with their marriage, her kids were great and heading off at 18 to start degrees, exH was her best friend… and she was 54. A few years later @ 56yrs she met a guy when she was skiing. He’s comfortably off, kids grown up, and they hit it off. In the last 3 years sadly both of them have had cancers that they’ve dealt with and been able to support each other through, but my goodness are they happy and busy and doing great things! They ski, they travel (cycling holiday in Spain in Sept, currently hiking in Turkey). She is not quite 60 but has never been so happy. I understand the - um - sex is also great. I look on in awe and hope my DH and I will have their lifestyle and fun relationship but we’re in the ‘kids doing A Levels’ phase at the moment

So PLEASE please please don’t write yourself off. You are still sooo young. You don’t need to settle for the DickHead - he has done a number on your self-esteem and over the years has made you feel as though you should be grateful to him but I am hoping after two threads and 1400 PPs that you are beginning to see that this is all 🐂💩?!

We’re on this earth until our 90s these days - you’ve more than half your life ahead of you.

Catoo · 30/10/2024 17:20

Spikyseason · 30/10/2024 15:02

Probably more since all this happened but I wouldn’t say I had a problem. I am aware of it and and know there may be potential hereditary factors at play.

OK well it sounds to me like you might be heading towards a problem.

So start here OP. Cut out alcohol altogether. There are some ok zero wines in supermarkets now if it’s the habit you like.

Do you go to a gym or do any exercise classes? These can provide a good high and make you feel good for a while afterwards. Better than alcohol in my opinion.

If and when this gets to divorce, he will play dirty, don’t give him any ammunition.

AnonAnonmystery · 30/10/2024 17:25

I agree with @Catoo on all of the above. Now is the time to stop are you are conscious of your drinking and can control it. Not as good as wine of course but get some supplements that can help you relax instead.

Onlyonekenobe · 30/10/2024 17:30

I have to say, this thread is quite remarkable in the number of women who are quite obviously extremely emotionally intelligent, generous, understanding and compassionate. I hope it makes you feel less alone, oP.

Ebbyfroom · 30/10/2024 17:47

Spikyseason · 30/10/2024 15:54

Yep, hotels, flights, gifts, restaurants… the whole shebang! I don’t think I’ve fully processed it yet. It’s completely shocking.

OP I wanted to give you a perspective from the other side of this, from the ‘OW’ although I didn’t know I was one when this happened.

I dated a guy a few years ago, he was in his early 50s and had been married for many years with children. He was working abroad and told me he was progressing through a divorce, as he only ever stayed for the children. He told me his wife was a heavy drinker and he had been trying to leave her for years as he was unhappy but felt guilty as they had children and she appeared suicidal.

Anyhow, a very long story short, turns out he wasn’t actually separated, and was living a double life. I had a long conversation with him after this about why he would do this, his wife was desperate for him to stay (I know this because she told me herself) His wife told me he had many affairs and left a couple of times for a new life with a new partner, but came back because they had children.

This man told me he didn’t love his wife but she was the anchor at home keeping everything going, he always stayed because they had children and he felt guilty because he said he’d look after her.

He told me he was trying to ‘let love win over guilt’ but could never manage the break away from her. He also told me he wished she’d meet someone else to stop him feeling guilt.

Orher than him being a total and utter arsehole, I think it gives a good insight into the thought process of someone staying with their partner for the sake of the kids. He spent many thousands of pounds on us doing things, bought me gifts and wrote me hundreds of cards and letters. This was someone making the effort to show me his feelings for me (clearly when I realised he’s a lying cheat, that really didn’t mean anything)

The wife didn’t end the relationship for fear of change and I know he’s since had another affair, full on lying and making a life with someone else. But the wife is still with him because she fears change and he is what she knows.

Do you want to be that person? Or do you want to be free, own this and build your self respect. Make that leap and realise your potential. He cheated on you and therefore is opting out of a marriage with you - you mean something too, not just the children so don’t forget that.

Your husband is only there for the children. He’s said it. He loves someone else.

He can’t manage to look after the children full time, so he needs someone else to do that. That person is you, and he’ll sacrifice his own wants so he can see his children grow up. But make no mistake, as soon as he feels they’re old enough (and who knows what age that is) to live with separation, he will be gone. You’ll have wasted even more years and be even more of a shell of yourself.

Allow yourself to think of a life without him. Your own home, new hobbies, someone to listen to you rather than shoot you down when you want to talk about what happened in the playground. Not always wondering what he’s doing.

Don’t rely on him, rely on you. You can do it and things can only get better from here

Spikyseason · 30/10/2024 18:08

Onlyonekenobe · 30/10/2024 17:30

I have to say, this thread is quite remarkable in the number of women who are quite obviously extremely emotionally intelligent, generous, understanding and compassionate. I hope it makes you feel less alone, oP.

100% and I’m extremely grateful. I’d love to be able to say I’ve served him with papers but I’m just not in that place yet. That’s not to say I am not taking all the comments on board.

OP posts:
Sugarnspicenallthingsnaice · 30/10/2024 18:16

Spikyseason · 30/10/2024 10:51

Presumably he deleted call history, messages etc. he never had his phone locked during the affair. I always had access.

I just genuinely don’t think I will find anyone else. I’m the wrong side of 40. Young kids. Never really even dated anyone else. I saw what this did to DM, and that has probably made me irrationally afraid of being alone.

It’s different for men, especially when they have money. He will shack up with OW or someone else, possibly more kids.

I am trying to not think too far ahead and focus on the next step which will be trying to gain some independence. I know I will probably start to feel better about things after that but right now I can’t imagine feeling any different.

FWIW I met the real love of my life at 47 when we both had children from previous relationships.

On the other hand my parents clung on to a safe and convenient but loveless marriage until they were retirement age, at which point my father finally cracked, and left for a woman almost 30 years younger. My mother has never recovered, and I don't think that's age related so much as the fact that there was literally no spark left in her by then.

Onlyonekenobe · 30/10/2024 18:17

You remind me a little of my mum, OP, although her situation wasn't ever as stark or hurtful as yours. Ultimately, she was never able to get there and she remains married to my dad. I saw her struggle and struggle for years over what to do, whether to do it and how to do it. Ultimately, she gave in and stayed as it was the easier option, she thought. She's paying a heavy price for it every day, but it was her choice. It's changed my view of who/what she is - but it's not about me, and I told her as a teen that she didn't owe me anything (looking back at my younger self, my "I just want you to be happy" was patently me not wanting to take responsibility for her decisions). She's happy with the choice she made and it took her years to make it. She'd tell you now that life isn't ideal, but it is what it is.

Rollonsummerplease · 30/10/2024 18:20

Catoo · 30/10/2024 17:20

OK well it sounds to me like you might be heading towards a problem.

So start here OP. Cut out alcohol altogether. There are some ok zero wines in supermarkets now if it’s the habit you like.

Do you go to a gym or do any exercise classes? These can provide a good high and make you feel good for a while afterwards. Better than alcohol in my opinion.

If and when this gets to divorce, he will play dirty, don’t give him any ammunition.

I totally agree with this.

Apart from anything else alcohol is a depressant so if you are already feeling low it's going to make you feel worse.
Not that I would point the finger at anyone's drinking habits because I've had my own struggles with alcohol at points over the years, using it as self medication. But it's over 2 years since I had an alcoholic drink and I feel so much better for it. And I'm sure if you did cut out alcohol you would feel real benefits.

And , as Catoo says, it will stop your H using accusations down the line

Spikyseason · 30/10/2024 18:34

Rollonsummerplease · 30/10/2024 18:20

I totally agree with this.

Apart from anything else alcohol is a depressant so if you are already feeling low it's going to make you feel worse.
Not that I would point the finger at anyone's drinking habits because I've had my own struggles with alcohol at points over the years, using it as self medication. But it's over 2 years since I had an alcoholic drink and I feel so much better for it. And I'm sure if you did cut out alcohol you would feel real benefits.

And , as Catoo says, it will stop your H using accusations down the line

Do you have any recommendations to help with relaxing? I get periods of terrible anxiety. Do things like CBD oil really work?
I do exercise… I don’t drink to excess but sometimes it just helps me to not think! I am utterly exhausted this week.

OP posts:
DPotter · 30/10/2024 18:37

A practical suggestion for you re re-training and returning to work. Check out the national Careers service - https://nationalcareers.service.gov.uk/

will help with identifying existing skills, training requirements, basically personalised career advice and informtion.

And if the training costs mount up to £80k - well I think that's a good investment.

I'm sorry if I've missed it - but will you be having relationship counselling as a couple ? I know you're planning counselling for yourself which I think is very wise.

Careers advice - job profiles, information and resources | National Careers Service

https://nationalcareers.service.gov.uk

WhatALovelyBouquet · 30/10/2024 18:55

@Spikyseason I think there would probably be a tiny percentage of women in your position (or anyone in an unhappy, long marriage) that feel confident that they would be ok if they ended it. Most of us, if we were honest, would be absolutely shitting ourselves. It's massive.

My situation was very different to yours and I'm so sorry your H has revealed himself to be an utterly diabolical human being. I was blindsided, left utterly confused, heartbroken and I was completely convinced I'd fall apart and not cope. But I did cope. I'm 8 years out now (and my healing was remarkably quick, it didn't take 8 years!) and I'm strong, happy and look at my ex with nothing but pity that he ruined his own life. He didn't ruin mine. Felt like it at the time, but that was short lived.
My child is happy and so am I.

You can do it OP. Please don't let him continue to disrespect you. You just do not deserve it .

Rollonsummerplease · 30/10/2024 18:58

I've never tried CBD oil OP.
I find trying to practice Mindfulness really helpful in blocking out intrusive thoughts.
Also breathing exercises helpful for relaxing.

BrainWontWorkAnymore · 30/10/2024 19:29

he needs to put the 80K (min) into a private pension for you if you’ve spent your life raising your family. He owes you that

DBD1975 · 30/10/2024 19:39

Spikyseason · 30/10/2024 15:54

Yep, hotels, flights, gifts, restaurants… the whole shebang! I don’t think I’ve fully processed it yet. It’s completely shocking.

Really feel for you, it is beyond shocking. Such a difficult situation, it is very easy to dispense advice when you are not the one who is emotionally involved.
My advice go with your gut instincts, however, I would also be heavily investing in anything which makes you feel better, raises your self esteem and boosts your confidence.
I really wish you well OP and hope your husband comes to his senses.

Spikyseason · 30/10/2024 19:44

DBD1975 · 30/10/2024 19:39

Really feel for you, it is beyond shocking. Such a difficult situation, it is very easy to dispense advice when you are not the one who is emotionally involved.
My advice go with your gut instincts, however, I would also be heavily investing in anything which makes you feel better, raises your self esteem and boosts your confidence.
I really wish you well OP and hope your husband comes to his senses.

Thank you - the weirdest thing about it is how physical it feels. I wasn’t expecting that at all. I feel absolutely wrecked today.
all the posts have made me feel less alone - I really am grateful.

OP posts:
AnonAnonmystery · 30/10/2024 20:05

Glad you feel less alone @Spikyseason .

I do agree that this kind of emotional turmoil is so tiring!

Get some rest hopefully tomorrow you feel a bit better.

We are all here for you 💐

KaleQueen · 30/10/2024 20:08

@Spikyseason you’ll be traumatised. You’ve pushed it all down for months whilst this ‘reconciliation’ went on (while he was still hiding stuff from you and has contacted the OW telling her he misses her) you coming here to share has opened that up and you’ve been totally validated. We’re all unanimously outraged on your behalf. There’s not one single human (normal human) on this planet who would say what he’s done to you is in the least bit forgivable yet you’ve tried to forgive him. Your body is finally feeling the pain now your head might finally be letting it. Honestly, I literally can’t believe how stoic you seem about this; and I’m wondering if that’s conditioning - you’ve always been told/felt you needed to keep your feelings down for everyone else’s sake?