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DH is constantly vanishing in the house

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towardstheocean · 19/10/2024 19:44

Sounds ridiculous and probably is; I’m semi anticipating being roasted to a crisp here but does anyone else have a DH like mine?

We have two very young children and obviously they are a lot of work. We have definitely fallen into me being the default carer and I have to admit I’m not sure this can be changed. But what’s currently driving me insane is DH vanishing. For example earlier, the children were eating dinner and I really could have used some help but he’d gone. I was calling to him but no answer. He came back some half an hour later and said ‘oh sorry, I was sorting out X in the garden’ Point out if t wasn’t a great moment and I get huffy ‘when else can I do it?’ But I somehow have to do my things around him.

He WFH twice a week and is always sat in his study for hours while I struggle with the children in the next room, fuming. He disappears at bath time too.

I do think it’s partly deliberate and also partly that lack of forethought - he doesn’t need to worry about their dinner as I’ll sort it and of course I can’t very well not because they have to eat.

It is so frustrating.

OP posts:
Hercisback1 · 20/10/2024 18:34

Him dissappearing is unsexy.

Give him clear instructions of what you want for the next week and see what happens and if anything changes.

towardstheocean · 20/10/2024 18:36

I can’t Herc. I can’t foresee every eventuality or every occcurence. I can’t say ‘right so at 615 everyone will have finished dinner and YOU will do this’ because life just isn’t that prescriptive. Besides, he isn’t even around next week!

OP posts:
Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 20/10/2024 18:38

towardstheocean · 20/10/2024 18:27

@PayYourselfFirst - had I known just how far away he was then yes, probably. As it is she’s eaten now and is now in the bath.

@Vroomfondleswaistcoat why would that ‘punish’ him in any way?

Telling the man you’re married to he is not to get up and leave the room until everyone has finished or whatever is so … unsexy for want of a better word. And the thing is it misses the point. No one minds him leaving but it’s the lack of communication or forethought.

’I need to do this in the garden, is this a good moment?’
’can you leave it twenty minutes until they’ve both finished and I’ve cleared up?’

Thats all I’m asking, and it’s why the timings of the disappearing act aren’t key. There are times when it’s fine for him to vanish during dinner, and times that aren’t.

I did actually just try to broach it again and got nowhere as I knew I wouldn’t but I am trying - but if someone isn’t taking it on, what can you do? Yes, leaving is an option but I feel that’s not right for me or the children to be honest, so then what? Nothing much.

It's not meant to 'punish' him. It's to show him that you got tired of waiting. You don't seem to want to tell him that his wafting about is a disruption to family life, so you show him. He goes out and takes longer than expected - you got tired of waiting, fed and put the baby to bed. And why make the baby suffer as well just because he's late?

You're trying to illustrate to him that his behaviour means you have to alter yours. The message won't get through (see my earlier message, I thought mine would see the error of his ways, didn't, I divorced him because I felt as though I were a single parent anyway) but you can try a multipronged approach.

Hercisback1 · 20/10/2024 18:38

But if you know he dissappears at dinner say "I need you here for dinner and bath".

You can't forsee all of the time, but you know he has form for it, so be explicit all the time.

rainbowstardrops · 20/10/2024 18:47

When he is around at lunch, what happens if you say "don't leave until I've finished cooking and we've all eaten?"

I may have to start that but I can’t predict every instance, as I’m sure you can appreciate. It also feels most unpleasant, although I may have no option.

You may have to start this?! That should have happened after the first, or at least the second time he decided to go awol! And it's not 'most unpleasant', it's called clear communication!
I thought you said you've tried explaining it all to him. My mind is boggling at what half hearted conversation you had with him if you think communicating effectively is unpleasant. This is bonkers.

Cheesypasta · 20/10/2024 18:47

I did actually just try to broach it again and got nowhere as I knew I wouldn’t but I am trying

OK, props for trying OP as I can see this feels really against the grain for you. What did he say this time to close discussion down?

towardstheocean · 20/10/2024 18:53

Let your mind boggle then @rainbowstardrops Because I’m not in the habit of ordering adults around. And the problem is that if you say ‘you are not going anywhere until after dinner’ and then after dinner carnage happens but he’s vanished because hey, I said not until after dinner, right?

This is why it can’t be solved with specific sets of instructions. What you need is someone to work with you, not just doing their own thing, and unfortunately I do not have that and no amount of boggling minds will change that.

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canyouletthedogoutplease · 20/10/2024 18:55

When you say you 'just tried to broach it again but got nowhere' how did it go exactly?

What happens when you say, I'm not coping, I know I have brought this up many times before but this is important. I'm feeling increasingly resentful and ground down and I need you to hear me, and do some parenting, there are certain pinch points in a day where I need you to lean in.

YRGAM · 20/10/2024 18:55

I know it's hard when there are so many people saying it but OP try to ignore the people telling you to divorce if that isn't what you want. Remember it's very easy for people to sit behind their phones and tell a username on a screen to uproot their life and that of their children. They aren't sensible or realistic suggestions in this situation and IMO they are being made flippantly and carelessly

towardstheocean · 20/10/2024 18:59

Thanks @YRGAM

I have decided (not meant in a flouncey way, honestly) but I’m going to delete my account and therefore I can’t reply to the thread. That’s not because of anyone here; I’ve disagreed with a lot of you but I think for the most part the advice has been well meaning. It’s just because I’ve realised I’ve taken a disproportionate amount of time on it today and that’s not good.

This was a rant thread and yes DH can be thoughtless and selfish. He can be shit in some ways but fabulous in others and I am human and flawed also and i expect and need him to take me for better for worse. I do love him desire the fact he drives me batshit sometimes and more importantly so do our children. Leaving would only hurt them.

There are only so many times you can demand things from someone before realising it isn’t going be to happen. Otherwise you accept this is a character trait and it isn’t going to change. That doesn’t mean you have to shut up though /l- moaning is free!

I wish you well Flowers

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rainbowstardrops · 20/10/2024 19:02

I wish you well @towardstheocean but it is infuriating that you're confusing effective communication with telling people what to do. They are completely different.
I think both you and your husband need to work on that.

canyouletthedogoutplease · 20/10/2024 19:04

I wish you well, pulling your hair out while watching your kids navigating the same bullshit in twenty years and wondering why they're putting up with it/their wife has left them because they keep disappearing at dinnertime. And so it goes.

towardstheocean · 20/10/2024 19:09

Rainbow - before I do go, ordering an adult to not leave the room is in no way effective communication. Communication is two way and it doesn’t matter how good mine is if he isn’t listening. The blame for this being laid at my door is largely what I’m finding hard to be honest. Anyway, hasta la vista as boris said.

OP posts:
Nanny0gg · 20/10/2024 19:10

towardstheocean · 20/10/2024 17:20

Well yes, I completely agree. And yet acceptance doesn’t mean you can’t get annoyed or aggravated by things, surely?

I get it’s frustrating but four long years of trying to point out to DH how unequal things are haven’t worked and so then what do you do?

What is his actual response to that?

What does he actually do that's a normal part of family life?

HornyHornersPinkyWinky · 20/10/2024 19:13

towardstheocean · 20/10/2024 19:09

Rainbow - before I do go, ordering an adult to not leave the room is in no way effective communication. Communication is two way and it doesn’t matter how good mine is if he isn’t listening. The blame for this being laid at my door is largely what I’m finding hard to be honest. Anyway, hasta la vista as boris said.

The issue really is that he doesn't respect you, he watches you struggle and doesn't care. You tell him the problem and he ignores it. Not very attractive traits in a life partner.

I don't think people are blaming you, but the frustration is that you seem to be missing this part of the puzzle. You can't fix this by yourself, but you also can't expect him to have a complete change of behaviour without any consequences - why would he? this set up suits him completely; it's you that suffers.

Best of luck OP.

cookiebee · 20/10/2024 19:13

Well that was a frustrating thread to read, telling everyone what frustrates you about your family life, then batting away every suggestion then claiming you are going to delete your account. You should ask your husband for good hiding places to get away from us all!

rainbowstardrops · 20/10/2024 19:20

Rainbow - before I do go, ordering an adult to not leave the room is in no way effective communication. Communication is two way and it doesn’t matter how good mine is if he isn’t listening. The blame for this being laid at my door is largely what I’m finding hard to be honest. Anyway, hasta la vista as boris said

I'm certainly not intending to blame you and I said earlier that I'd like to come and shake your husband for you but I honestly do think that communication on both sides must be lacking in some capacity if the message isn't getting through to him. Maybe the message isn't being delivered loud enough and with enough assertiveness?
You don't sound like a confrontational person and that's admirable but maybe your husband needs to hear your initial 'rant' here, louder and more forcibly? Because right now he isn't hearing you. Or he's choosing to not hear you and that's far worse for your marriage.
Like I said, I wish you well Flowers

Cheesypasta · 20/10/2024 19:41

You win OP. None of us understand your choices not to ask directly for what you want and to assert that you are just as worthwhile a human being as your husband. Thanks for playing, enjoy your life of being frustrated, overloaded, but most of all, right.

Naunet · 20/10/2024 20:32

Telling the man you’re married to he is not to get up and leave the room until everyone has finished or whatever is so … unsexy for want of a better word

Come on OP, this is ridiculous! So what if it’s not sexy? It’s not your job to be sexy 24/7, you’re human, you’re allowed a range of behaviours including pulling your husband up on piss taking behaviour. There is zero reason why you can’t tell him it’s unacceptable that he keeps leaving you with all the hard graft and that it’s to stop. You know he’s prone to vanish, before dinner, so before he pulls his disappearing act, you remind him of this and tell you’re expecting him to help with dinner. If you are more concerned with appearing sexy to him, then THAT is the reason you’re a martyr, not because you feed your kids.

If you mean it’s unsexy to you to have to tell him, I agree, but is his current behaviour attractive to you?

DaughterNo2 · 20/10/2024 21:06

CliantheLang · 19/10/2024 21:14

Raising children is work. HTH

Yeah I’m fully aware HTH
(whilst working and raising my kids)

pikkumyy77 · 20/10/2024 21:42

towardstheocean · 20/10/2024 18:36

I can’t Herc. I can’t foresee every eventuality or every occcurence. I can’t say ‘right so at 615 everyone will have finished dinner and YOU will do this’ because life just isn’t that prescriptive. Besides, he isn’t even around next week!

You have sn amazing “can’t do” attitude . I have read the whole thread really carefully and I think you are unaware, sadly, of how very oddly incompetent and indifferent your dh is (per your description) to being a husband and father. Whether he “means” it or not—and by that we usually means intends the results of his actions—he is an absolute shit husband and father.

He disappears when you need him and when you politely explain what time and why you need him he is so rude/indifferent/unreliable that you can’t bear to “win” the argument and you just drop it.

You don’t seem to grasp that he simply can’t misunderstand plain english, and be that incompetent, at work. So he reserves walkabout and “was I responsible for bathing child? Oh sorry she drowned it was too difficult for me to manage this task” for you. Either he thinks you are a fool or he is its a pretty binary choice.

You feel criticized here and are verbally lashing out. That is not uncommon. People get angry when a familiar role (wife/mother/martyr/chief cook and bottle washer) is at risk even though you came here to complain your goal was not to change anything . Your goal though was not to solve a relationship issue but simply to grumble, receive reassurance that you are a good mum for not abandoning your children to incompetent dad, and go back to misery + sneaking self admiration for keeping it all together.

Misery plus self regard is, of course, martyrdom.

Thats not a criticism—its just a diagnosis. Until you are clear on what you get out of tolerating Mr “can’t be arsed” you can’t change anything. Not wanting to chAnge anything and being this unhappy is, agsin, martyrdom.

People have identified his behavior as abusive. I don’t think that is useful as it triggers your need to defend him (he gets to be the victim in the drama triangle and you get to rescue him from us, his persecutors). Instead I think its more useful to say that his behavior givrs you pain and he seems not to be able to cope with simple, routine, patenting tasks. Is that because he is, somehow, really thick? Did his childhood not expose him to normal two parent households? What about yours? Did you not know that husbands can be expected to do menial, repetitive, even daily parenting tasks?

Look online at the drama triangle. Each person occupies a position for a while-/sometimes minutes—and then fluidly changes position to accomplish tasks, gain admiration, or because they cede power to others. In your family sometimes your dh is the persecutor and you “rescie” the children from bis neglect sometime’s he’s tbe persecutor and you turn to mumsnet for emotional rescue and recognition when mumsnet offers a solution you feel victimized by us or you feel he is—or even your sweet babies who you accuse us of telling you should be put in harms way by letting dad bathe them.

The only way put of being trapped in the drama triangle is to get out snd stop accepting these limiting roles.

Atsocta · 20/10/2024 23:31

Perhaps he’s on the phone to a friend …OPPs

sarah0106 · 20/10/2024 23:57

Mine does exact same! I can be dishing out dinner with our 16 month old round my feet and he'll conveniently "go for a shower" "popping work stuff away" think they are on their own agenda half the time! I say half the time mines all the time

BitOutOfPractice · 21/10/2024 00:06

You could so easily have given DC2 toast and banana / spaghetti hoops / scrambled eggs for tea but that wouldn’t have played into your narrative would it.

instead you let DH off the hook yet again and felt like the Perfect Mother. Honestly op, wear the hair shirt if that makes you happy but don’t complain when you’re the default parent 100% of the time.

BitOutOfPractice · 21/10/2024 00:09

Misery plus self regard is, of course, martyrdom.

read @pikkumyy77 ’s post again. It’s spot on.