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Married to someone with Asperger's/ASD/ND: support thread 13

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Daftasabroom · 09/10/2024 09:29

New thread.

This thread is for those of us seeking to explore the dynamics of long term relationships with our ND partners. Some of us are ND ourselves, very many of us have ND children. It is a support thread, and a safe space, it does get emotional at times. Avoid sweeping generalisations if possible, try and keep it specific to you and your partner.

It's complicated and it's emotional.

The old thread is here.

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New thread. This thread is for those of us seeking to explore the dynamics of long term relationships with our ND partners. Some of us are ND o...

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Rainbow03 · 05/01/2025 11:37

Apex3 · 05/01/2025 11:30

Thanks for the kind words Busty, much appreciated!

No problem talking about why I’m still here (good to remind myself sometimes lol)

Mainly it’s because I’m not really sure how it helps me if I move out (on my own of course without the kids) in the vague hope that I meet the woman of my dreams and live happily ever after. What if I’m there after 2 years not having met anyone, I see the kids every other weekend. I don’t think that would work for me.

Also there’s the money side, it’s not such a big deal but a consideration for sure X

It’s about meeting yourself I think rather than meeting the women of your dreams. I know we all think we need another but the most important person to meet is yourself! Sharing kids is awful, I have to share my eldest. I look at it another way. What relationships are we teaching our kids because they will go out and seek the same.

BustyLaRoux · 05/01/2025 11:50

Apex3 · 05/01/2025 11:30

Thanks for the kind words Busty, much appreciated!

No problem talking about why I’m still here (good to remind myself sometimes lol)

Mainly it’s because I’m not really sure how it helps me if I move out (on my own of course without the kids) in the vague hope that I meet the woman of my dreams and live happily ever after. What if I’m there after 2 years not having met anyone, I see the kids every other weekend. I don’t think that would work for me.

Also there’s the money side, it’s not such a big deal but a consideration for sure X

I understand. The grass can often seem greener, only to discover it wasn’t at all. I’ve definitely made that error before! Sometimes I think freedom would be better. No one to criticise or nit pick. No one to make pissy pointed comments. No one whose moods I have to interpret and work round. No piles of stuff in every corner and magnitude of washing up piled round the sink. Just me. Tidy peaceful house. But then no one to look after me when I’m sick. No one to chat rubbish with. No one to cuddle me. No one to talk to. No one to moan about my dad to. No one to go for a walk with. No sex. No one to go on holiday with…… that isn’t an attractive prospect either! So I completely understand why being on your own isn’t necessarily preferable to what you currently have. At least this way you get to see your kids every day. I miss mine when they’re not here. I cried when they went to their dad on Boxing Day. Like you I felt really glum after Xmas. Even though our Xmas had been nice.

The more I think about what’s important the more I think it’s human connection which makes us feel good. Doesn’t have to be romantic. Do you have friends or family you can meet up with who give you that feeling of affirmation? If you’re not going to get that emotional connection from
DW, are there other people (apart from the DC) you can connect with? Even just for a walk or a pint? Do you get any exercise? (Only because this is a good tonic for mental health and I find helps me massively). Sorry, I’m not trying to pry! Just wondering how you can improve on what you have. Totally agree that acceptance and detachment are excellent coping tools for now.

BustyLaRoux · 05/01/2025 11:56

Eek, page 40 already!!

ANiceLittleHouseByTheSeaWithACatCalledBrenda · 05/01/2025 12:04

Apex3 · 03/01/2025 19:39

This is the video link I refer to - in relation to NT/ND relationships. SO much of what this guy says is SO true (in my experience at least) it really hits home.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=6vBIehjwmd8

Omg, exactly what I needed to watch today. Thank you @Apex3.

Bluebellforest1 · 05/01/2025 13:35

@Daftasabroom getting close to the end of the thread x

Daftasabroom · 05/01/2025 13:55

Bluebellforest1 · 05/01/2025 13:35

@Daftasabroom getting close to the end of the thread x

Hopefully I got there in time?

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sunstreaming · 05/01/2025 14:36

This board has really made me think I believe my DH has ASD and yes - he was parented v badly...but that doesn't help me to not be hurt when he hurts me. e.g. if he's doing something (mending/tinkering etc) and I have to ask him something or get past him, he's very angry. Later he says, 'It's not you I'm angry with. I can't help it. I've always been like this.' And then the really annoying one, 'All the males in my family are like this.' (His mother used to trot that one out frequently) But the thing is, when he reacts angrily to me, especially and usually when it's totally unjustified, it hurts me emotionally. I then have to spend my time and emotional energy 'healing' myself. If I try to talk to him abut it and say, Even though you didn't mean to hurt me, it still did hurt me,' he reacts by saying things like, ;Go on - have a go at me and make me feel even worse about my sad life.

He also outsources things: we visited family last week and he and several other people present had emotional meltdowns. He later admitted that he'd behaved like a toddler (the toddler had an emotional meltdown with which he had no patience) But describing it to someone else later he said, 'We,' (looking at me) all had a tantrum. Well the truth is that I didn't have any sort of tantrum but spent a lot of my time absorbing the bad feelings others were having and trying to sort them out. He does this a lot, saying 'we' did something when he knows that it was just me! 'We' paid that bill on time. NO 'we' didn't. He has trouble even logging onto the internet banking so won't do it. But where soething has gone wrong because of his refusal to deal with a situation he always says, 'We' dropped the ball on that. It's very frustrating for me.

Last one for now: he can't separate his opinions from facts. So if he lies something e.g. a colour/film/style of clothing/food, he sees it as 'correct' and anyone not agreeing with him as wrong. i think he feels threatened if other people don't agree with him. Insecure really. This has caused a lot of problems for me in the past when he's tried to impose his taste in e.g. hairstyle/clothing/where I (when I'm going somewhere on my own) should go. He doesn't get that my opinio about my hairstyle is more relevant to me than his is. he says, and this is really r=cruel I think, 'Well, I'm the one who has to look at you.' But I think that I'm the one who has to live with however I present myself to the word. He says I shouldn't care about what other people think about my appearance and I don't, in that if I like how I look, other people's opinions don't matter. But if I'm forced to wear something I feel uncomfortable in/think makes me look bad and other people comment, I feel doubly bad. I had this as a child too, when my parents had over-the-top disapproval for all sorts of innocuous things. My parents used to give me a short back and sides haircut and strangers genuinely thought I was a boy. Because, in my parents' opinion hair any longer than that was the sign of a slut.

Can anyone relate to all this?

ItReallyDoesntMatterAnymore · 05/01/2025 14:44

Yes @sunstreaming your first paragraph is basically the main reason for our marriage breakdown, snappy comments or anger from DH, me then being hurt as have 'taken' on his frustration and it is so draining and soul destroying. Also the inability to take sole accountability as you mention in the second paragraph resonates too. A fear of failure and RSD I think.

BustyLaRoux · 05/01/2025 18:24

Yea I can relate to some of that @sunstreaming . The playing the victim when he’s hurt your feelings. Making everything about them. I have got to the stage where I rarely express having a negative feeling (upset, anger, frustration, sadness) if it’s caused by DP, as to do so will make him feel criticised.
So I say “I am hurt by the thing you said before” but he hears “YOU have hurt me”.
I want him to say “oh dear sorry, that was a bit insensitive of me. I shouldn’t have said that. Sorry” but I get “well I am upset too!” / “what about when YOU upset me?” / “so it’s all MY fault then!!” He sees me saying I’m sad or irritated as me criticising him and when he feels criticised he goes on the defensive. Often by attacking me. Or playing the martyr “oh here she is having a go at me again!” The fact is I rarely say he’s done anything wrong. I rarely tell him he’s upset me or annoyed me. And yet despite that in his mind I criticise him all the time! The problem is not the incoming information (ie the words I’m saying), the problem is the filter it has to pass through for him to comprehend it (his perception of what I’m saying). They don’t match at all! But he has one filter and is convinced his version of the narrative is the only possible correct narrative.

And yes the opinion as fact.

All very wearing….

Tinyhousemoouse · 06/01/2025 15:58

Yes @sunstreaming esp the first paragraph. But if I say or do something to hurt his feelings, he needs apologies/me to be extra nice to make up for it. Tbh it feels more like manipulation than asd sometimes.

Daftasabroom · 06/01/2025 22:16

@BustyLaRoux @sunstreaming I regularly have to prebrief family not to compliment any of the work I've done on the house, or the meals I cook or anything else. DW takes any compliments to anyone else as insult to her.

She doesn't judge herself by her own achievements but by the achievements of others - me in particular. So she will always put me down like it's some zero sum game, and equally gets upset if anyone else compliments me.

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3luckystars · 07/01/2025 12:48

That’s nothing to do with autism, that is really nasty behaviour.

3luckystars · 07/01/2025 12:49

(To not like when someone else gets a compliment) and puts them down. That’s wrong.

Rainbow03 · 07/01/2025 13:33

That’s awful and extremely narcissistic behaviour.

Rainbow03 · 07/01/2025 13:41

I can see how a person who can’t access any inner self could do this. If you seek approval then nothing you do will mean anything unless someone else applauses you. I often do find that people don’t maybe recognise the achievements of ND people. I know my daughter never receive any certificates at school because she can’t obtain what they are seeking. But she is brilliant at things that don’t get noticed. Not only that she bloody is trying so so hard to get half as far and that is not applauded. Somewhere along the line you shut this down and when others get applauded it sends you right back to that wounding. It must be hard. Perhaps your wife @Daftasabroom never received applause maybe as a child, only criticism. I don’t know, just a guess and doesn’t make it better for you.

Rainbow03 · 07/01/2025 13:47

What I’m trying to say is that the issues arising aren’t Autistic in itself but a wounding because back in the day no one realised and no one made allowances. No one can make up for childhood neglect other than the person who’s wounded and that’s not a nice place to go back to.

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 07/01/2025 15:06

There's two ways of standing out; be excellent, or pull other people down to a level below you.

Your poor self-esteem, @Daftasabroom. It must be on the floor after years of this; being surrounded by negativity takes its toll. I had that with ex-H and my already-shaky personal confidence has now been entirely eliminated. It's also not an autism thing, it's a being-an-unpleasant-person thing.

Rainbow03 · 07/01/2025 15:37

DucklingSwimmingInstructress · 07/01/2025 15:06

There's two ways of standing out; be excellent, or pull other people down to a level below you.

Your poor self-esteem, @Daftasabroom. It must be on the floor after years of this; being surrounded by negativity takes its toll. I had that with ex-H and my already-shaky personal confidence has now been entirely eliminated. It's also not an autism thing, it's a being-an-unpleasant-person thing.

I have a family member who does this. It’s awful, all the little digs and the dismissing of mine and others achievements. Nasty little comments about how I style my hair etc. I thought for a bit maybe they ND but they just a twat! People with high self esteem are harder to control so people do this on purpose to allow their behaviour.

Shortbread49 · 07/01/2025 16:44

Ah yes my mum hates me getting compliments (she has never managed to give me one ) I remember being 16 and my grandma paid me a compliment my mum ( her daughter) shouted at her about how dare she say that and to never say anything like that again was so bizarre

BustyLaRoux · 07/01/2025 18:01

Daftasabroom · 06/01/2025 22:16

@BustyLaRoux @sunstreaming I regularly have to prebrief family not to compliment any of the work I've done on the house, or the meals I cook or anything else. DW takes any compliments to anyone else as insult to her.

She doesn't judge herself by her own achievements but by the achievements of others - me in particular. So she will always put me down like it's some zero sum game, and equally gets upset if anyone else compliments me.

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Oh gosh @Daftasabroom thats really awful! How fragile must a person’s ego be to see a compliment to you as an insult to them? I know a fair few autistic individuals and each of them would feel glad for the partner if they were complimented on something. Not that having an answer to this question would help in any way: but is that an autism thing? Seems like just really shitty behaviour. Unless you understand her so well that you can attribute this behaviour to an autistic quirk of hers. I am sorry, that must be very hard for you indeed.

Also to say you sound lovely! Very empathetic and understanding. (A compliment, as you’re not allowed them in real life!) xx

BustyLaRoux · 07/01/2025 18:03

Rainbow03 · 07/01/2025 13:47

What I’m trying to say is that the issues arising aren’t Autistic in itself but a wounding because back in the day no one realised and no one made allowances. No one can make up for childhood neglect other than the person who’s wounded and that’s not a nice place to go back to.

Yes that’s very true Rainbow.

Rainbow03 · 07/01/2025 19:23

BustyLaRoux · 07/01/2025 18:03

Yes that’s very true Rainbow.

I only know because I have my own childhood wounding from having to compensate for my undiagnosed ND. I’ve wrecked relationships before requiring more than people can give me because what I needed was unsustainable. I’ve had to learn (and I’m still learning) to give it to myself. I think self awareness is even harder for people who are ND also. It’s a minefield at the best of times lol. Who wants to admit they are being a problem!

LoveFoolMe · 07/01/2025 21:06

@Daftasabroom☹️🫂

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