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11 Year old son and Hostile living environment

156 replies

Allisnitlost81 · 02/10/2024 14:29

Hi all,

This is my first post but really need some advice. My son has suspected autism, I think probably ADHD too, he’s been in the waiting list for 18 months now. His behaviour is not too bad at home, apart from the discipline element with my partner. At school, things are getting progressively worse. He started high school last month and is already on a report card for being late to classes. These are things I feel I don’t have much control over from home, I have a meeting with the school though as Cahms suggested I apply for an EHA.

The issues arising are also at home, I have my way, which I find effective if I’m ever able to go with it, I talk to him, explain why I’m disciplining him for bad behaviour and remove devices. The most I ever discipline him for is swearing now and again. He has ticks and shouts and blurts things out, I don’t think he can help this. But my partner currently isn’t speaking to me and slept on the sofa lastnight, ignored me all of today for backing my son up ‘again’. I do feel very protective of him, maybe my methods are too softly softly, I know my partner definitely thinks so and he thinks this is the problem.

I really don’t, I find a calm approach works, when my son is shouted at he gets very reactive and can go into a full on meltdown, slamming doors etc and hysterical tears. My partner prefers the shouting approach and tells my his son is so good compared to mine because he knows when he shouts he does as he’s told. I hate the way my son his compared to his son, his needs are completely different. I feel like he thinks I’m too soft so is happy to under mine me constantly.
For example, yesterday my son got a warning for talking in class, but I still said he could go out and play football with his friends for a while while I finished work at home, they exercise does him good. However my partner pulled him up in his way out and said he shouldn’t be going because he will probable arse about. I heard my son tell him cheekily well I am going because my mum said it’s ok. Partner started getting angry and ranting and told him to hand his phone over now which resulted in my son telling him that he can’t make him do this as he’s not his dad. My son is very black and white and direct. I heard and aggressive movement from upstairs of the stool on the kitchen floors being shifted and ran downstairs, my partner had snatched the phone out of my sons hand, my son was now having a full meltdown. Partner was yelling going ‘oh you’re here jumping to his defence once again’. I asked him to please stop shouting which he didn’t. I’m just honestly so tired of this, it’s a regular occurrence.

I feel protective of my son, coming from an abusive childhood myself I can’t stand the shouting etc and tough love thing. He’s been through so much with tummy issues and an eating disorder. I just don’t know how to put this right. My son tried to say sorry and my partner threw it back in his face and said he only said sorry as he wants his phone back. Son said yeah that’s true as he doesn’t feel he’s done anything wrong.

I honestly don’t know how to fix any of this, I have no control over what happens at school but the at home environment isn’t helping at all. I want to have a united front with my partner but how can I when I don’t agree with how he disciplines?
Has anyone been through this, I need to give my son the support he needs and also fix this relationship so everyone’s happy if anyone has any advice, however harsh it might be…it’s hard to see properly whilst in the midst of it. X

OP posts:
Thecatthatgotthesouredmilk · 02/10/2024 14:37

You have to get this abusive man away from your son. Does he live with you?

nootcoffee · 02/10/2024 14:39

I just knew the partner wouldn’t be his father

How long has he been in his life?

cestlavielife · 02/10/2024 14:39

Get rid of this man and his son right now.
It s not going to work for your ds.

Then work with any support offered for your ds.

Jaxhog · 02/10/2024 14:40

Yikes. The partner has to go. He's not helping you or your son.

jojogoesbust · 02/10/2024 14:40

Thecatthatgotthesouredmilk · 02/10/2024 14:37

You have to get this abusive man away from your son. Does he live with you?

Yes this. He can't treat your son like this. Getting angry and shouting? You need to get rid

nootcoffee · 02/10/2024 14:40

I honestly don’t know how to fix any of this, I

it is so blindingly obvious that it is actually very disturbing that you can’t see how to “fix” it

Garlicnaan · 02/10/2024 14:41

You need to put your son first and move out (or get partner out) I'm afraid. This sounds horrible and toxic for your child. It sounds like your parenting is fine, you know your son best. Your partner is undermining you with your own child. Shouting is never recommended.

nootcoffee · 02/10/2024 14:41

I feel protective of my son, coming from an abusive childhood myself

well you’re not showing any signs of feeling protective OP

BigFatLiar · 02/10/2024 14:47

I don't think shouting is a good way forward and it may be your partner needs to reassess if this is the right relationship for him.

The bit about he only apologised so he could get his phone back suggests your partner has less tolerance for his behaviour. Would you have not reprimanded him? Some day he'll be an adult and needs to be able to function in an adult world.

You and your partner need to be on the same page in handling his behaviour and consider how that maps out if you want your son to be an independent person.

No to shouting but try to raise him to be able to live his own life.

DreadPirateRobots · 02/10/2024 14:50

It's very, very obvious what you do: your partner moves out.

ApricotLime · 02/10/2024 14:53

Your methods sound much better for your ds. It sounds like your partner just antagonises and tries to intimidate him. That'll just wind him up, it won't improve his behaviour. Also his own ds will probably get angry and rebel at some point.
His methods sound like my mum's. To be honest she was too thick to do anything other than yell/hit/antagonise and try and intimidate me and it made my behaviour worse in the long run. Plus I can't stand her now.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 02/10/2024 14:55

He moves out and you instantly lose 98% of the problems at home and around 85% of the problems at school, leaving you with a kid on the assessment pathway who isn't acting out the abuse he gets from his mum's boyfriend.

newyearsresolurion · 02/10/2024 14:57

Patner has to go

SoftPillowAllNight · 02/10/2024 14:57

Tough parenting is not always the right answer. Infact I'm in the opposite camp - the softie one. Even if my kids do t turn out to be super disciplined and high achieving I'd rather they are happy, healthy and in a good relationship with me.

The man is so so wrong. He needs to leave your life so you can parent your child the right way.

Deadbeatex · 02/10/2024 14:57

This is a partner problem and I'd be asking him to move out immediately

SallyWD · 02/10/2024 14:59

I would leave your partner. You know how to parent your child and he shouldn't be getting involved. I have a very sensitive and emotional son and I have always dealt with him in a gentle way. Shouting at him is like pouring petrol on to a fire. Most of the time he is difficult he's actually upset rather than being wilfully naughty so I don't punish him. I've been sick of people telling me to shout at him and even hit him over the years, just because he's been upset. I know how to parent my child. I know what works and what doesn't.
Also, I'd never stop a child going out to play because they'd been talking in class! Stealing, bullying, fighting - then yes they deserve a punishment. But just talking, no. They got told off by the teacher so that's enough.
I think this is an awful environment for your son to be growing up in. I know it's very difficult but I'd put him first and leave.

Ponderingwindow · 02/10/2024 15:00

your partner doesn’t understand the basic concept of parenting the child you have, not a theoretical child.

if your child is ND, your parenting style must adapt in order for your child to thrive. If your partner can’t accept that, then he has no right to live with your son.

Deadbeatex · 02/10/2024 15:01

nootcoffee · 02/10/2024 14:41

I feel protective of my son, coming from an abusive childhood myself

well you’re not showing any signs of feeling protective OP

It's obvious to us on the outside looking in. It's not always obvious when you are in the middle of it, that's why I stayed in my abusive marriage years longer than I should've done. Hopefully getting an outside perspective will help OP see clearly that her partner needs to go and go now for both her and her sons sake

Allisnitlost81 · 02/10/2024 15:04

nootcoffee · 02/10/2024 14:39

I just knew the partner wouldn’t be his father

How long has he been in his life?

We’ve all lived together for coming up to 5 years now. Things have been good until the last year or so.

Nobody actually thinks my son has anything wrong with him which is half the battle, to me it’s becoming more apparent as he’s getting older that he needs extra support and he’s not just unfiltered and ‘naughty’.

OP posts:
ByMerryKoala · 02/10/2024 15:04

How can you have a united front with a man who nit picks and provokes your autistic son and then crows about how much better behaved his own child is? This isn't someone who has your son's best interest or your best interest at heart.

LoveSandbanks · 02/10/2024 15:05

This man is abusive. He’s abusing your son and he’s abusing you. He blatantly overrules your parenting decisions of your own child and then when you don’t fall into line he punishes you by giving you the silent treatment and sleeping on the sofa.

Stay with him and it will get worse, this is the beginning.

SonicTheHodgeheg · 02/10/2024 15:08

Splitting with your partner would halve your problems.

nootcoffee · 02/10/2024 15:09

Allisnitlost81 · 02/10/2024 15:04

We’ve all lived together for coming up to 5 years now. Things have been good until the last year or so.

Nobody actually thinks my son has anything wrong with him which is half the battle, to me it’s becoming more apparent as he’s getting older that he needs extra support and he’s not just unfiltered and ‘naughty’.

imagine how your boy will flourish if it’s just you and him OP

nootcoffee · 02/10/2024 15:10

SonicTheHodgeheg · 02/10/2024 15:08

Splitting with your partner would halve your problems.

and make her son many many many times more happier

BodenCardiganNot · 02/10/2024 15:13

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