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11 Year old son and Hostile living environment

156 replies

Allisnitlost81 · 02/10/2024 14:29

Hi all,

This is my first post but really need some advice. My son has suspected autism, I think probably ADHD too, he’s been in the waiting list for 18 months now. His behaviour is not too bad at home, apart from the discipline element with my partner. At school, things are getting progressively worse. He started high school last month and is already on a report card for being late to classes. These are things I feel I don’t have much control over from home, I have a meeting with the school though as Cahms suggested I apply for an EHA.

The issues arising are also at home, I have my way, which I find effective if I’m ever able to go with it, I talk to him, explain why I’m disciplining him for bad behaviour and remove devices. The most I ever discipline him for is swearing now and again. He has ticks and shouts and blurts things out, I don’t think he can help this. But my partner currently isn’t speaking to me and slept on the sofa lastnight, ignored me all of today for backing my son up ‘again’. I do feel very protective of him, maybe my methods are too softly softly, I know my partner definitely thinks so and he thinks this is the problem.

I really don’t, I find a calm approach works, when my son is shouted at he gets very reactive and can go into a full on meltdown, slamming doors etc and hysterical tears. My partner prefers the shouting approach and tells my his son is so good compared to mine because he knows when he shouts he does as he’s told. I hate the way my son his compared to his son, his needs are completely different. I feel like he thinks I’m too soft so is happy to under mine me constantly.
For example, yesterday my son got a warning for talking in class, but I still said he could go out and play football with his friends for a while while I finished work at home, they exercise does him good. However my partner pulled him up in his way out and said he shouldn’t be going because he will probable arse about. I heard my son tell him cheekily well I am going because my mum said it’s ok. Partner started getting angry and ranting and told him to hand his phone over now which resulted in my son telling him that he can’t make him do this as he’s not his dad. My son is very black and white and direct. I heard and aggressive movement from upstairs of the stool on the kitchen floors being shifted and ran downstairs, my partner had snatched the phone out of my sons hand, my son was now having a full meltdown. Partner was yelling going ‘oh you’re here jumping to his defence once again’. I asked him to please stop shouting which he didn’t. I’m just honestly so tired of this, it’s a regular occurrence.

I feel protective of my son, coming from an abusive childhood myself I can’t stand the shouting etc and tough love thing. He’s been through so much with tummy issues and an eating disorder. I just don’t know how to put this right. My son tried to say sorry and my partner threw it back in his face and said he only said sorry as he wants his phone back. Son said yeah that’s true as he doesn’t feel he’s done anything wrong.

I honestly don’t know how to fix any of this, I have no control over what happens at school but the at home environment isn’t helping at all. I want to have a united front with my partner but how can I when I don’t agree with how he disciplines?
Has anyone been through this, I need to give my son the support he needs and also fix this relationship so everyone’s happy if anyone has any advice, however harsh it might be…it’s hard to see properly whilst in the midst of it. X

OP posts:
MyHouseIsABusStop · 02/10/2024 17:42

Nellodee · 02/10/2024 17:07

Neurodivergent or not, your son is disrupting the learning of the other students in his class, and this requires more of a response from you than “go out and play with your friends”.

I may be missing something here, but if every parent who has ever shouted at a teenage child were instantly divorced, very few marriages would survive puberty.

But this man is not his parent? He's not even his step father (thank god), he's just OPs boyfriend. He should not be shouting at him under any circumstances.

nootcoffee · 02/10/2024 17:52

Kicking out a man who

you have NO children with; and
you own the property and it was him that moved in
oh and who abuses your son

Yeah Op, pretty sure where there was a will to move him out, there would be a way.

But the “will” seems to be lacking

Nellodee · 02/10/2024 17:53

They’ve been living together for five years, I thought, which is a fairly stable commitment whatever the marital status.

MyHouseIsABusStop · 02/10/2024 17:59

Nellodee · 02/10/2024 17:53

They’ve been living together for five years, I thought, which is a fairly stable commitment whatever the marital status.

I don't care how committed they are, I would never allow a fully grown man to speak to my 11year old son like that. He would be out on his ear before he could blink.

Allisnitlost81 · 02/10/2024 18:01

nootcoffee · 02/10/2024 17:52

Kicking out a man who

you have NO children with; and
you own the property and it was him that moved in
oh and who abuses your son

Yeah Op, pretty sure where there was a will to move him out, there would be a way.

But the “will” seems to be lacking

No children, I don’t own the property, it’s rented but he lived here for a few years before me.

OP posts:
Allisnitlost81 · 02/10/2024 18:01

Nellodee · 02/10/2024 17:53

They’ve been living together for five years, I thought, which is a fairly stable commitment whatever the marital status.

Yes were engaged so not a boyfriend.

OP posts:
nootcoffee · 02/10/2024 18:02

Allisnitlost81 · 02/10/2024 18:01

No children, I don’t own the property, it’s rented but he lived here for a few years before me.

even better

you don’t need to “kick him out then”

cuddlebear · 02/10/2024 18:03

You should make plans to leave this abusive fuckwit asap.

nootcoffee · 02/10/2024 18:03

So just to be clear

given all your posts

you are not going to leave him so that your son gets a happy, stable and secure childhood and family home?

ok. what are you going to do?

Terrribletwos · 02/10/2024 18:04

Allisnitlost81 · 02/10/2024 14:29

Hi all,

This is my first post but really need some advice. My son has suspected autism, I think probably ADHD too, he’s been in the waiting list for 18 months now. His behaviour is not too bad at home, apart from the discipline element with my partner. At school, things are getting progressively worse. He started high school last month and is already on a report card for being late to classes. These are things I feel I don’t have much control over from home, I have a meeting with the school though as Cahms suggested I apply for an EHA.

The issues arising are also at home, I have my way, which I find effective if I’m ever able to go with it, I talk to him, explain why I’m disciplining him for bad behaviour and remove devices. The most I ever discipline him for is swearing now and again. He has ticks and shouts and blurts things out, I don’t think he can help this. But my partner currently isn’t speaking to me and slept on the sofa lastnight, ignored me all of today for backing my son up ‘again’. I do feel very protective of him, maybe my methods are too softly softly, I know my partner definitely thinks so and he thinks this is the problem.

I really don’t, I find a calm approach works, when my son is shouted at he gets very reactive and can go into a full on meltdown, slamming doors etc and hysterical tears. My partner prefers the shouting approach and tells my his son is so good compared to mine because he knows when he shouts he does as he’s told. I hate the way my son his compared to his son, his needs are completely different. I feel like he thinks I’m too soft so is happy to under mine me constantly.
For example, yesterday my son got a warning for talking in class, but I still said he could go out and play football with his friends for a while while I finished work at home, they exercise does him good. However my partner pulled him up in his way out and said he shouldn’t be going because he will probable arse about. I heard my son tell him cheekily well I am going because my mum said it’s ok. Partner started getting angry and ranting and told him to hand his phone over now which resulted in my son telling him that he can’t make him do this as he’s not his dad. My son is very black and white and direct. I heard and aggressive movement from upstairs of the stool on the kitchen floors being shifted and ran downstairs, my partner had snatched the phone out of my sons hand, my son was now having a full meltdown. Partner was yelling going ‘oh you’re here jumping to his defence once again’. I asked him to please stop shouting which he didn’t. I’m just honestly so tired of this, it’s a regular occurrence.

I feel protective of my son, coming from an abusive childhood myself I can’t stand the shouting etc and tough love thing. He’s been through so much with tummy issues and an eating disorder. I just don’t know how to put this right. My son tried to say sorry and my partner threw it back in his face and said he only said sorry as he wants his phone back. Son said yeah that’s true as he doesn’t feel he’s done anything wrong.

I honestly don’t know how to fix any of this, I have no control over what happens at school but the at home environment isn’t helping at all. I want to have a united front with my partner but how can I when I don’t agree with how he disciplines?
Has anyone been through this, I need to give my son the support he needs and also fix this relationship so everyone’s happy if anyone has any advice, however harsh it might be…it’s hard to see properly whilst in the midst of it. X

Clearly, your partner is being abusive to your son and you.

Purposefullyporous · 02/10/2024 18:04

Your partner is a piece of shit. No one should be shouting in an 11 year olds face and snatching things from them.. let alone a fully grown man. What on earth does he think this teaches? Sure we've all lost our cool with our kids at some point.. but for him to be standing behind this as a parenting choice. Fkn ridiculous. He's just escalating the situation for his own ego. He wants to be totally in control both of you and your son. Get rid.
I don't care what other qualities he may have, this man is going to psychologically damage your son. Of course you are allowed to parent your son how you want. Of course his reaction was completely over the top to a matter of fact statement your son made to him. Amd him choosing to be angry at you and then sleep on the sofa.... it's like he's a disregulated teenage boy himself.
Honestly get rid.
Years down the line you'll be glad you did.

Allisnitlost81 · 02/10/2024 18:06

MyHouseIsABusStop · 02/10/2024 17:59

I don't care how committed they are, I would never allow a fully grown man to speak to my 11year old son like that. He would be out on his ear before he could blink.

I have actually asked him to leave before, he said not a chance.

Im definitely not stronger to be able to physically remove him, it just wouldn’t happen. So I need to leave.

OP posts:
Bumblebeestiltskin · 02/10/2024 18:06

Thecatthatgotthesouredmilk · 02/10/2024 14:37

You have to get this abusive man away from your son. Does he live with you?

First reply nails it.

Terrribletwos · 02/10/2024 18:06

Yes, as above poster said.

Do you have a place to take you and your child?

Allisnitlost81 · 02/10/2024 18:07

Sorry if I’m not making myself clear, yes I do need to leave and will. Need to get my ducks in a row.

OP posts:
Purposefullyporous · 02/10/2024 18:07

Allisnitlost81 · 02/10/2024 16:56

You’re entitled to your opinion obviously but I think it’s very unfair for you to use the word allow, that would insinuate that I stand by happily and say nothing and don’t see an issue with any of this.

I think in an ideal world, I would click my fingers and be in my own home with my children alone. Things aren’t always so uncomplicated and can take a little time. Have you ever tried to kick a grown man out of a property? Do you think that would be something so simple and he would just happily pack his belongings and leave with his son in tow? His son who I love as my own.

I’m glad I have a definitive answer on this anyway, I know what I need to do. I now know I’m not over sensitive, over reactive etc, in fact, the opposite, thanks.

If I asked my husband to leave the property because I wanted a divorce I 100% believe he would do so. He'd be upset sure.. he'd want to talk about it. But in no way would I be afraid and in no way would I expect him to refuse.
Because he's not abusive.
You are with an abusive man.

Beastiesandthebeauty · 02/10/2024 18:09

I'm sorry you're in this situation I have an autistic teen and agree with your style of parenting. I say you only have 2 choices - parent your own children / in terms of discipline and no comparisons or leave.

The way he is acting infront of your son even towards you is not a great role model at all. I'm not saying your chosing him over your son ect ect as I'm pretty sure tall you wanted was those you love around you but this man needs alot of awareness or this situation is going to escalate through the teen years.

Terrribletwos · 02/10/2024 18:10

Allisnitlost81 · 02/10/2024 18:07

Sorry if I’m not making myself clear, yes I do need to leave and will. Need to get my ducks in a row.

Have you been in contact with Women's Aid?

Terrribletwos · 02/10/2024 18:11

Beastiesandthebeauty · 02/10/2024 18:09

I'm sorry you're in this situation I have an autistic teen and agree with your style of parenting. I say you only have 2 choices - parent your own children / in terms of discipline and no comparisons or leave.

The way he is acting infront of your son even towards you is not a great role model at all. I'm not saying your chosing him over your son ect ect as I'm pretty sure tall you wanted was those you love around you but this man needs alot of awareness or this situation is going to escalate through the teen years.

It's already abusive.

nootcoffee · 02/10/2024 18:11

Allisnitlost81 · 02/10/2024 18:06

I have actually asked him to leave before, he said not a chance.

Im definitely not stronger to be able to physically remove him, it just wouldn’t happen. So I need to leave.

why would you ask him to leave when he was living at this property for years before you moved in

It is you and your son that need to move out

Promptly

Bumblebeestiltskin · 02/10/2024 18:14

Allisnitlost81 · 02/10/2024 16:20

I do. Just wanted to know if I’m too soft in my approach to parenting and if I was the issue for backing my son rather than him.

I saw a post on here yesterday with completely conflicting advice, (maybe an older thread) saying that stepdad should be allowed a say in discipline, they couldn’t live with another persons child who acted up, answered back etc.

There's a difference, though, between respectful discipline and abuse.

I don't agree with the people calling you names, I think you want to do what's best for your son and you think you are, but you're not recognising how abusive your partner is being. Hopefully you see from that passionate posts from PP that you're NOT too soft, it's your partner that's the problem.

MyHouseIsABusStop · 02/10/2024 18:16

Allisnitlost81 · 02/10/2024 18:07

Sorry if I’m not making myself clear, yes I do need to leave and will. Need to get my ducks in a row.

Yes, you really should be planning to leave. This situation is just awful, and if you moved in with him, you're probably going to have to leave.

Do you have family/friends you can move to immediately while you look for a new rental?

arethereanyleftatall · 02/10/2024 18:20

I'm glad you realise you need to leave this relationship op.

That is the only way to put your son first, as you clearly want to do.

You should have ended the relationship the first time he shouted at your son.

ginasevern · 02/10/2024 18:23

Yes you do need to leave OP. This is a battle you cannot win. I was in almost the same situation as you, with a partner and a special needs son, except the partner didn't have any children of his own. It was a living hell. My son and partner constantly jostling for my affection, my partner never understanding (nor wanting to) my son's needs, constant screaming matches between son and partner and me always in the middle, always wrong, always miserable and always desperate. It was no life. So, the partner had to go.

Acornsoup · 02/10/2024 20:01

Did your son's behaviour decline around the time you moved the abuser in?

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