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11 Year old son and Hostile living environment

156 replies

Allisnitlost81 · 02/10/2024 14:29

Hi all,

This is my first post but really need some advice. My son has suspected autism, I think probably ADHD too, he’s been in the waiting list for 18 months now. His behaviour is not too bad at home, apart from the discipline element with my partner. At school, things are getting progressively worse. He started high school last month and is already on a report card for being late to classes. These are things I feel I don’t have much control over from home, I have a meeting with the school though as Cahms suggested I apply for an EHA.

The issues arising are also at home, I have my way, which I find effective if I’m ever able to go with it, I talk to him, explain why I’m disciplining him for bad behaviour and remove devices. The most I ever discipline him for is swearing now and again. He has ticks and shouts and blurts things out, I don’t think he can help this. But my partner currently isn’t speaking to me and slept on the sofa lastnight, ignored me all of today for backing my son up ‘again’. I do feel very protective of him, maybe my methods are too softly softly, I know my partner definitely thinks so and he thinks this is the problem.

I really don’t, I find a calm approach works, when my son is shouted at he gets very reactive and can go into a full on meltdown, slamming doors etc and hysterical tears. My partner prefers the shouting approach and tells my his son is so good compared to mine because he knows when he shouts he does as he’s told. I hate the way my son his compared to his son, his needs are completely different. I feel like he thinks I’m too soft so is happy to under mine me constantly.
For example, yesterday my son got a warning for talking in class, but I still said he could go out and play football with his friends for a while while I finished work at home, they exercise does him good. However my partner pulled him up in his way out and said he shouldn’t be going because he will probable arse about. I heard my son tell him cheekily well I am going because my mum said it’s ok. Partner started getting angry and ranting and told him to hand his phone over now which resulted in my son telling him that he can’t make him do this as he’s not his dad. My son is very black and white and direct. I heard and aggressive movement from upstairs of the stool on the kitchen floors being shifted and ran downstairs, my partner had snatched the phone out of my sons hand, my son was now having a full meltdown. Partner was yelling going ‘oh you’re here jumping to his defence once again’. I asked him to please stop shouting which he didn’t. I’m just honestly so tired of this, it’s a regular occurrence.

I feel protective of my son, coming from an abusive childhood myself I can’t stand the shouting etc and tough love thing. He’s been through so much with tummy issues and an eating disorder. I just don’t know how to put this right. My son tried to say sorry and my partner threw it back in his face and said he only said sorry as he wants his phone back. Son said yeah that’s true as he doesn’t feel he’s done anything wrong.

I honestly don’t know how to fix any of this, I have no control over what happens at school but the at home environment isn’t helping at all. I want to have a united front with my partner but how can I when I don’t agree with how he disciplines?
Has anyone been through this, I need to give my son the support he needs and also fix this relationship so everyone’s happy if anyone has any advice, however harsh it might be…it’s hard to see properly whilst in the midst of it. X

OP posts:
Allisnitlost81 · 03/10/2024 10:33

Terrribletwos · 02/10/2024 18:10

Have you been in contact with Women's Aid?

Not yet, but will do, thanks.

OP posts:
Allisnitlost81 · 03/10/2024 10:35

MyHouseIsABusStop · 02/10/2024 22:30

What's your rough income like and what is the private rental situation in your area? Are there many affordable places available? I've moved into far from perfect houses and made them homes so look at them with an open mind as well

All properties in the are around the 1200 mark to rent, nothing cheaper. I can afford the rent, it’s just saving the deposit and rent up from which I’d have a problem with whist paying the rent where I am, I don’t have much disposable income.

OP posts:
MyHouseIsABusStop · 03/10/2024 10:39

@Livelovebehappy so you don't think children can be cheeky and confrontational as a mechanism of defence in situations that they feel uncomfortable in? Have you met children?

And the OPs 'partner' has gone well beyond showing immaturity, he shouted in the face of a child, snatched things off him, puts him down to his mother, and this is obviously a pattern of behaviour.

He is abusive, not immature.

MyHouseIsABusStop · 03/10/2024 10:42

@Allisnitlost81 okay, so being able to afford the rent is really positive, and there are ways of gathering deposits. Do you have much in savings? Can you borrow? Would a women's charity assist with the advancement of a deposit maybe?

MyHouseIsABusStop · 03/10/2024 10:43

nootcoffee · 03/10/2024 10:30

I'm very protective of him, and i just can't bring myself to go in too hard with him, but DH thinks I am too soft and we need to set clear rules as he is an adult, and that he needs to agree to live by our rules, or leave.

ring a bell? and this was about a 19 year old not an 11 year old

Was this a past post by @Livelovebehappy? Hmmmm...

Allisnitlost81 · 03/10/2024 10:47

MyHouseIsABusStop · 02/10/2024 22:37

Sorry, I have loads of questions and you can absolutely choose not to answer them, but I'd love if someone here could help you a little

Does your DS have contact with his Dad? I didn't see in your posts. Just in case you needed to have him stay somewhere for a little bit. Maybe another family member?

You mention children in one post... do you have more than 1 child?

You said you tried to leave before. What have you tried so we're not recommending the same thing.

Are you in receipt of any benefits? This will affect housing claim.

I do have another child who’s 14, I don’t really want to be recognised which is why I haven’t really mentioned on here.

They see their dad in the holidays due to distance. He tried to take my son off me last year as my son was going through a bout of school refusal and thought it was a great idea to keep him off school for 13 weeks while I fought through the courts to get him back. Despite never providing for them at all. Their dad lives with his mum and is very neglectful, as in doesn’t give him his medication etc or ensure he washes, brushes his teeth. His mum takes them out and cooks for them all while there. I’ve struggled to get life back on track since then. I have a residency order so wouldn’t be an option really. I know, there’s so much backstory and it’s no wonder my son is acting up.

Ive tried family, friends and tried to get on the council housing list so far. I’ve looked at private but no joy so far.

OP posts:
Allisnitlost81 · 03/10/2024 10:48

Bumblebeestiltskin · 02/10/2024 23:58

Try Anawin for support/advice - https://anawim.co.uk/

Thank you x

OP posts:
Livelovebehappy · 03/10/2024 10:57

MyHouseIsABusStop · 03/10/2024 10:43

Was this a past post by @Livelovebehappy? Hmmmm...

And this was some years ago. I took advice. I learnt. And my son was not displaying the bad behaviour shown by ops son. Never had problems with him at school. The issues I had with my son was laziness, not rude disruptive behaviour. Context is key.....

Autumnowl · 03/10/2024 11:02

Another one putting the step dad before the child .
The man is abusive and deliberately trying to provoke a reaction from your son.

Allisnitlost81 · 03/10/2024 11:10

Autumnowl · 03/10/2024 11:02

Another one putting the step dad before the child .
The man is abusive and deliberately trying to provoke a reaction from your son.

Did you read the whole thread?

OP posts:
StrawberryWater · 03/10/2024 11:23

This man is horrible.

It's like the beginning part of a true crime podcast where the abuse starts ramping up before the murder happens.

Ffs op go and camp out at the local housing authority and ask for help. Ring women's aid, go to your GP. There are things that you can do.

MyHouseIsABusStop · 03/10/2024 13:19

@Livelovebehappy yes, context is key. And the 'rude disruptive behaviour' also has context here.

If I was being forced to live with an abusive asshole like OPs partner, who was constantly shouting and putting me down, you can be damn sure I'd be bloody rude to him.

And the disruptive behaviour? Did you read where this child has suspected autism and likely ADHD as well? This disruptive behaviour could be down to autism and ADHD traits.

nootcoffee · 03/10/2024 13:43

Allisnitlost81 · 03/10/2024 10:33

Not yet, but will do, thanks.

This needs to be your priority
Not updating your mumsnet thread

nootcoffee · 03/10/2024 13:43

Livelovebehappy · 03/10/2024 10:57

And this was some years ago. I took advice. I learnt. And my son was not displaying the bad behaviour shown by ops son. Never had problems with him at school. The issues I had with my son was laziness, not rude disruptive behaviour. Context is key.....

i think you need to reacquaint yourself with your own thread!

nootcoffee · 03/10/2024 13:50

Allisnitlost81 · 03/10/2024 11:10

Did you read the whole thread?

I have Op

and i’m afraid to say that im inclined to agree with this poster

Allisnitlost81 · 03/10/2024 14:32

nootcoffee · 03/10/2024 13:43

This needs to be your priority
Not updating your mumsnet thread

I’m in meetings at work until half 5, (teams) not much brain power involved but I can’t use the phone to call. I used my lunch hour to go to school for a meeting about my son’s EHA/ECHP so thankfully got the ball rolling on that. Not enough hours in the day at the moment but I’ve been sending emails for help as I work, so I’m doing what I can.

OP posts:
nootcoffee · 03/10/2024 14:37

you have posted multiple detailed posts on this thread today

say to your boss you need to make a very urgent personal phone call but will make up the time.

And get off mumsnet

Come on, seriously

Allisnitlost81 · 03/10/2024 14:41

nootcoffee · 03/10/2024 13:50

I have Op

and i’m afraid to say that im inclined to agree with this poster

I don’t see how I’m putting anyone but my child first here. I didn’t go into this relationship lightly and didn’t think this would be the outcome. You can’t always click your fingers to change things overnight but I’m going the best I can regarding my son.

Agree with the second part though, I have had this instinct just recently, but like I say I’m told it’s me that is the problem, it’s hard questioning yourself and being told you overreact and are too sensitive constantly. And when you do reach out for help people turn their back on you so you ask yourself are you the problem? Or they blame you and call you despicable, (as I have been here) it really does batter your confidence in yourself and I’m struggling but I’ll get there.

OP posts:
nootcoffee · 03/10/2024 14:42

good grief
ok prioritise mumsnet

Your poor boy

I think i’ll hide this depressing thread

Allisnitlost81 · 03/10/2024 15:00

nootcoffee · 03/10/2024 14:42

good grief
ok prioritise mumsnet

Your poor boy

I think i’ll hide this depressing thread

You said you were bowing out 4 pages back? I appreciated the support and comments off everyone and wanted to show the respect of replying to all that I could on here while I’m able to as I’m grateful.

I’ll be making calls shortly when I’m able to.

OP posts:
Acornsoup · 03/10/2024 17:21

The purpose of this thread is not to victim blame. It's to offer solutions. OP is doing the right thing. It's not easy.

Hazey19 · 03/10/2024 17:24

Your poor boy. Please prioritise him and get rid of your partner x

dermalermalurd · 03/10/2024 17:31

Your partner is a bully. He is utterly ignorant and clearly not at all interested in understanding. Why are you letting him do this to your son? It's going to make things much worse for your ds.
As someone who works in education with autistic and adhd teens, I am warning you it is going to get tricky at times. You need a calm and consistent approach at home to get through it. You are doing the right thing (although I suspect you have a challenges far weightier than talking in class to come). What is your priority? Your son's wellbeing or having this man in your life. You probably need to give that a lot of thought.

Bibi12 · 03/10/2024 18:07

By asking if you're too "soft" you're asking a wrong question. There are firmer and softer approaches to parenting, they both work depending on situation/child. However, shouting is not OK and your partner sounds abusive.
Children generally do well in calm environment where they feel loved and respected and where they have firm boundaries and logical consequences.

Having angry, shouty and dismissive adult in a house will not help your son.

MyHouseIsABusStop · 04/10/2024 12:34

How did you get on yesterday OP? Did you call Women's Aid? The local council?