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3.5 years later and he’s leaving his wife…

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Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 19:51

A few years ago I had an affair with a MM. I was single, met him at a vulnerable time having escaped an abusive relationship. He supported me financially and helped me rebuild my life, and at the time I selfishly was focused on trying to survive and that’s it really. I lost everything leaving my ex and was starting from scratch. It was supposed to be an arrangement that worked for us both mutually.

We totally fell for each other. It was totally unplanned and unexpected and I was blindsided by it. I guess his wife noticed a change in him, and after nearly a year she found out. Part of me was relieved because I was finding it hard and obviously did not feel good about what I was doing. But it devastated my life. He tossed me aside like I was nothing. Said he had to stay for his kids. I was so badly affected I was hospitalised twice with severe anxiety. I had felt so deeply that he loved me so it was completely horrific. He still contacted me without her knowing from time to time despite trying to ‘reconcile’ with his wife. Mostly to say he was powerless in the situation and she was threatening to take the kids. I wasn’t the only woman he’d cheated with. He’d been doing it for years but had never been found out. He said he was very good at ‘compartmentalising’ until then, apparently.

Anyway. He stopped contacting me but continued stalking me online for over a year. I eventually confronted him. He admitted he loved me. Apologised for doing it and thought I hadn’t realised. Said he regretted marrying her. It was only for the kids. I said I had to block him and he didn’t want me to but understood. I did so but only on SM, not his phone.

So life carried on, I had been rebuilding my life and retrained in a whole new career. Rebuilt my finances after being financially abused by my ex. It’s been hell and the hardest thing I’ve ever done, but I’m finally in a good place. New home, new job. Lovely housemates. I objectively know he’s been a shit. But there was not a day that went by I didn’t think of him. The whole thing was totally incongruous to who he was as a person, or thought he was, but yet he still did it. I have never been able to get my head around it.

So anyway. Over three years later and he has gotten in touch, and said they are separating. He wants to meet and I have no idea what to do. On one hand, he nearly destroyed me by doing what he did. I know objectively he is completely flawed as a person. On the other hand I have never felt for anyone the way I felt about him and it felt mutual. Aspects of his marriage seemed abusive to me and very similar to what I went through, but I’m aware I don’t know the whole picture. This is what I’ve seen - not what he told me.

I’m so torn as to whether to leave it alone or meet up and hear him out. I don’t want to compromise what I’ve built but also don’t want to regret it.

I’ve done so much work on myself to make sure I am never in a similar situation with a man again. My whole life has changed. I have sacrificed so much and had to face the abuse I suffered not just from my ex but from my childhood. I am not even the same person and usually this would mean he means nothing to me because I’ve evolved beyond it, but part of me still loves him. It’s not limerance or a trauma bond, it’s been years now, but still something I have never been able to shake despite seeing him for who he is and what he’s done.

Would appreciate thoughts. Is he just an inherently bad person? I know what I did was wrong but I did everything I could to better myself and make sure I wasn’t in that situation again. I don’t know if he’s done the same.

OP posts:
Hankunamatata · 26/09/2024 21:22

You deserve better than him op

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 21:23

IhateSPSS · 26/09/2024 21:19

Are you feeling confused or are you feeling conflicted?

Because if you are in conflict about this situation, it means psychologically you are struggling more than you thought. You perhaps need to a do a bit more work on strengthening your ability to emotionally regulate and know what's best for yourself and trust yourself. This might be where your confusion lies. Have you thought that you may be entertaining this as a possibility because it's chaos? I used to seek out things that were bad for me (substance misuse, abusive relationships, risk taking behaviours) because feeling bad in my childhood was my normal, and even if situations are obviously a very bad idea to everyone else, people with unresolved trauma tend to be pulled back to chaos as your traumatised brains way of seeking equilibrium. You've only really properly healed when you recognise this and say fuck that, not a chance and strengthen your ability to reject core beliefs and patterns and live in a healthier, safer way.

Edited

My life was chaotic before, it really isn’t now. I have the most stable. Peaceful life. So admittedly I would have been like this before but not now. I think if I had met someone else it would be easier but I haven’t.

and to the PP who said I was lonely, I am, because I cut out every toxic person in my life to try and fix things. Including most of my family.

I don’t want that to drive my decision but I don’t know why I find it so hard to believe he is also terrible when even my own parents I have had to let go of. I could face up to that but not this. I don’t know why.

OP posts:
Cwassonk · 26/09/2024 21:23

He's admitted you weren't the first and he finds it easy to compartmentalise cheating. You won't be the last. He'll cheat on you too.

Objectrelations · 26/09/2024 21:24

He is fundamentally dishonest you know that beyond doubt. Will he change or be different for you? No.

Even if he does love you (or desire you sexually) it is not any sort of mature dependable trustworthy love that you will benefit from in the long term.

It is way too high drama for it not to be toxic unfortunately. Even if you do get together and have a good year or two it will all go sour when it has to come down from the lust/love cloud and become more real. I just doubt very much it will work as a long term relationship.

Deafdonkey · 26/09/2024 21:24

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 21:16

I really haven’t made a decision to meet him. I am trying to make sense of why I am even considering it. Why I find it so hard to believe he is / was abusive, to me, his wife whoever. I was never fooled by my narcissistic ex. I don’t know why it’s different with him.

It is abusive to cheat on your wife and leave them raising the children.

You didn't feel the effects because to quote a pp, you were still shiny and new.

Mamabear487 · 26/09/2024 21:25

Absolutely do not do it. Don’t go back. You’ve worked on yourself and your life. He’ll just cheat on you like he did her. He won’t ever change!

Lemonadeand · 26/09/2024 21:25

Over three years later and he has gotten in touch, and said they are separating.

So he will have been having an affair with someone else and the wife has found out and binned him. Affair partner not wanted him for some reason/chose to stay with her husband instead. So he will be looking back through his reserve list for other options.

I’m sorry that sounds harsh. Keep working on your self esteem, get some therapy and leave this man well alone. And take responsibility for your own choices.

User37482 · 26/09/2024 21:25

You are attracted to the drama and “romance” tbh. Really don’t bother with this. I expect you will anyway but have a serious think about what you are doing to yourself.

BellesAndGraces · 26/09/2024 21:26

I find it interesting that you show no interest in his wife or his children. Those poor children will not only have to deal with the fact that their dad is shit but also have to face you, the other woman. If they have been raised well, they will have to be polite and respectful to you, whilst knowing (either already or when they are older) that you were the other woman. If you don’t care perhaps you should.

Zone2NorthLondon · 26/09/2024 21:27

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 21:23

My life was chaotic before, it really isn’t now. I have the most stable. Peaceful life. So admittedly I would have been like this before but not now. I think if I had met someone else it would be easier but I haven’t.

and to the PP who said I was lonely, I am, because I cut out every toxic person in my life to try and fix things. Including most of my family.

I don’t want that to drive my decision but I don’t know why I find it so hard to believe he is also terrible when even my own parents I have had to let go of. I could face up to that but not this. I don’t know why.

You’ve mythologised him,given him wonderful attributes and ignored all his obvious faults. He knows this and is trying to ingratiate himself,again
Stop bigging up this ordinary abuser, that’s really what he is. An abuser who seeks out and lovebombs vulnerable women.

You aren’t that woman anymore
Dont gp there again

Getonwitit · 26/09/2024 21:27

Bloody hell why are you even contemplating meeting this man, he cheated on his wife many times. The man has no morals, no integrity and is a proven liar. Don't think you will be the one that will change him, you can't change him. He is just going to use you again.
You have worked so hard to rebuild you life after being involved with two awful abusive men. Don't go back down that road, it only leads to pain. Remember those days in that hospital ? That man you had an affair with helped put you there just as much ex husband did.

honestasever · 26/09/2024 21:28

Keep your peaceful life OP.
He will cheat on you too.

I suspect it may be his DW who has ended this marriage

Lesina · 26/09/2024 21:28

Nap1983 · 26/09/2024 19:53

Tell him to fuck off… his wife's probably left him after years of cheating, dont be the next fool.

This, with bells on.

DoreenonTill8 · 26/09/2024 21:29

2k2j · 26/09/2024 20:06

Fucking hell. What a prize twat he sounds.

Ignore the message. You’d be mad to meet up with this loser.

He wasn’t abused by his wife. He’s manipulated you into thinking that.

Oh noo, the poor poor lamb, forced into cheating by the meanie wife.... but fucking hell, if you're daft enough to go back there, He supported me financially and helped me rebuild my life prepare yourself for his spending family money on his bit on the side, who he'll be telling how mean and awful you are but he just can't leave...
You honestly didn't care he was spending household money on you?

notafanofmarmite · 26/09/2024 21:30

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 21:23

My life was chaotic before, it really isn’t now. I have the most stable. Peaceful life. So admittedly I would have been like this before but not now. I think if I had met someone else it would be easier but I haven’t.

and to the PP who said I was lonely, I am, because I cut out every toxic person in my life to try and fix things. Including most of my family.

I don’t want that to drive my decision but I don’t know why I find it so hard to believe he is also terrible when even my own parents I have had to let go of. I could face up to that but not this. I don’t know why.

So this is why you need some counselling, OP. Recovering from trauma means it is harder to have emotional regulation and set boundaries. You also simply may not be used to peace and stability. Please do not go back to this man. When you are fully healed, you will develop feelings for a decent person who is really available and can reciprocate love properly. Don’t settle for less than that.

ooopsinamechangedagain · 26/09/2024 21:30

He's a cheater who's been left by his wife and now reaching out to his booty call.

RichmondReader · 26/09/2024 21:30

Even if... Even IF he actually does leave his wife and insist he is ready to commit to you - you know what they say: When a cheater marries his OW, a vacancy opens. You said yourself he is a serial cheat - never mind the abusive stuff - he WILL cheat on you.

Walk away whilst you are reasonably strong and together.

Bestwishes23 · 26/09/2024 21:31

Absolutely no accountability. Sorry you've been through an incredibly hard time but having been hurt doesn't give you a free pass to hurt other people.

If you reconcile with him, he will cheat. Just like he cheated on his wife with you. Do you really want all that upheaval to your currently peaceful life?

SilverDoe · 26/09/2024 21:33

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 20:20

I didn’t cheat on anyone. I would also say that his wife has done some pretty terrible things to him. That doesn’t absolve him, but things can be more complicated than first appears.

I don’t lack moral values. I did a stupid and selfish thing in a desperate situation and have made sure I’m never in that situation again.

I've never been a cheater or a cheatee, so this is a pretty outside perspective.

You do lack moral values if you think you've done no wrong just because you are not the one in a relationship. Even if you pay lip service to saying you're in the wrong, it's quite clear from your post and statements like these, that make that clear.

It is also really naïve of you to think that someone who is a serial cheater who has shown you no commitment and clearly has no intention of leaving his wife, is actually interested in starting a new relationship with you. The reason you are in this position is because you were the woman he happened to be seeing when his wife caught him.

If this was perhaps his first affair, it might be understandable why you would at least think he might be serious about your relationship, but surely it's objectively pretty clear that he just doesn't think much of sleeping around? Would you genuinely not be bothered about this if you were his partner (which will never happen)? Where would the trust and security come from?

ttcat37 · 26/09/2024 21:34

You can romanticise it if you want but it doesn’t make you any better than every other woman who sleeps with someone else’s husband. He’s still married, if you truly believe the relationship is over you have clearly learned nothing from your mistakes.
A man who marries his mistress creates a vacancy… don’t ever forget that

BoelBedmunds · 26/09/2024 21:34

Op you know there will have been someone else aside from his wife and you, that you have popped into his head when this ended. Do you think so little of yourself to be somebody’s afterthought?

Mulhollandmagoo · 26/09/2024 21:35

I’ve done so much work on myself to make sure I am never in a similar situation with a man again

Hold on to this OP, what you have is self respect, and is so much more than any deadbeat man can offer you.

He contacted you because he wants a warm bed until he has his ducks in a row, he has nowhere else to go. He is a rotter, and he WILL treat you badly, and you deserve peace after everything you've been through. Block him.

IhateSPSS · 26/09/2024 21:35

I think the point people (and I) are trying to make is that if you have the most peaceful, stable life and you've cut out all the toxic, dead wood and you are over all the shit and are completely sorted and sane - you'd read a surprise message from a serial cheat you know repeatedly shit on his wife, his kids, other women and you - laugh at his audacity, shake your head at how fucked up he is, delete, block and not give it another thought. That's what a healthy person would do. But you didn't.

suburberphobe · 26/09/2024 21:37

A serial cheater who discarded you and caused you to be hospitalised

This OP. This!

Think about this instead of him.

You sound an amazing woman who dug herself out of a deep hole and by your own strength have your life together. Don't let him come and ruin it all.

He's just a pathetic man looking for a roof over his head.

Scentedjasmin · 26/09/2024 21:37

Here's my take on it. You were vulnerable and he sensed that. His wife may well have been a shit to him, if he is to be believed. But why would any decent father immediately contact the ex that he had an affair with as soon as his wife finally kicked him out, rather than him focusing on his children's needs right now, rather than his own?! He has undoubtedly fucked up their lives and yet is on the prowl for his next relationship. What he needs to do is focus on his kids and reflect on his own behaviour for a bit.

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