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3.5 years later and he’s leaving his wife…

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Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 19:51

A few years ago I had an affair with a MM. I was single, met him at a vulnerable time having escaped an abusive relationship. He supported me financially and helped me rebuild my life, and at the time I selfishly was focused on trying to survive and that’s it really. I lost everything leaving my ex and was starting from scratch. It was supposed to be an arrangement that worked for us both mutually.

We totally fell for each other. It was totally unplanned and unexpected and I was blindsided by it. I guess his wife noticed a change in him, and after nearly a year she found out. Part of me was relieved because I was finding it hard and obviously did not feel good about what I was doing. But it devastated my life. He tossed me aside like I was nothing. Said he had to stay for his kids. I was so badly affected I was hospitalised twice with severe anxiety. I had felt so deeply that he loved me so it was completely horrific. He still contacted me without her knowing from time to time despite trying to ‘reconcile’ with his wife. Mostly to say he was powerless in the situation and she was threatening to take the kids. I wasn’t the only woman he’d cheated with. He’d been doing it for years but had never been found out. He said he was very good at ‘compartmentalising’ until then, apparently.

Anyway. He stopped contacting me but continued stalking me online for over a year. I eventually confronted him. He admitted he loved me. Apologised for doing it and thought I hadn’t realised. Said he regretted marrying her. It was only for the kids. I said I had to block him and he didn’t want me to but understood. I did so but only on SM, not his phone.

So life carried on, I had been rebuilding my life and retrained in a whole new career. Rebuilt my finances after being financially abused by my ex. It’s been hell and the hardest thing I’ve ever done, but I’m finally in a good place. New home, new job. Lovely housemates. I objectively know he’s been a shit. But there was not a day that went by I didn’t think of him. The whole thing was totally incongruous to who he was as a person, or thought he was, but yet he still did it. I have never been able to get my head around it.

So anyway. Over three years later and he has gotten in touch, and said they are separating. He wants to meet and I have no idea what to do. On one hand, he nearly destroyed me by doing what he did. I know objectively he is completely flawed as a person. On the other hand I have never felt for anyone the way I felt about him and it felt mutual. Aspects of his marriage seemed abusive to me and very similar to what I went through, but I’m aware I don’t know the whole picture. This is what I’ve seen - not what he told me.

I’m so torn as to whether to leave it alone or meet up and hear him out. I don’t want to compromise what I’ve built but also don’t want to regret it.

I’ve done so much work on myself to make sure I am never in a similar situation with a man again. My whole life has changed. I have sacrificed so much and had to face the abuse I suffered not just from my ex but from my childhood. I am not even the same person and usually this would mean he means nothing to me because I’ve evolved beyond it, but part of me still loves him. It’s not limerance or a trauma bond, it’s been years now, but still something I have never been able to shake despite seeing him for who he is and what he’s done.

Would appreciate thoughts. Is he just an inherently bad person? I know what I did was wrong but I did everything I could to better myself and make sure I wasn’t in that situation again. I don’t know if he’s done the same.

OP posts:
Zone2NorthLondon · 26/09/2024 21:08

FrauPaige · 26/09/2024 21:07

@Jigglytuff26 I had a relationship with a married man. I did not know that he was married when I met him. I was young, early career.

Where were you meeting when you were dating? Nice hotels after swanky dinners? Weekends away? International city breaks?

Was he charming yet at times almost boyish - a side of him that only you got to see? Did he 'admit' his Iove for you cautiously, and reluctantly?

Affairs with married men feel great in the moment because they are illicit, escapist, you have the most amazing dinners and trips, and as you don't live with the guy you only see his good side. But they are not real and they are wrong.

You were vulnerable and needed financial support when you met him. They choose us when we are vulnerable or young so that they have a power/wealth/experience imbalance.

You have rebuilt your career, finances, and self-esteem. You don't need him now - he is a serial liar and cheater and will just undo you have done over the last 3.5 years.

We often gravitate to the same type of men that have abused us - as its what we are used to. We incorrectly associate that feeling of familiarity with connection.

It's time to break the cycle

Such a good post. Nailed it

PyongyangKipperbang · 26/09/2024 21:09

I think you are getting a bit of a kicking here.

A basically good person doing a bad thing doesnt turn them into a bad person. Unfortunately a lot of women on here have either been cheated on by their OH or have experienced with friends and family. They dont see that a cheating MM, if he has successfully lied to and cheated on, his wife for years, can very successfully do that the OW too. Especially if that woman is, for whatever, receptive to the lies he is telling.

That said........I am not sure have moved on as much as you think you have if this contact can throw into this much of a tail spin. I have had exes contact me out of the blue years later and sure I have thought "What does he want?!" but its never had me pondering of the what ifs and whether he has changed (SPOILER ALERT: He hasnt).

His affair with you was the last (as far as you know) in a long line of affairs. Why would he stop doing that? He is obviously good at getting away with it, so you would be very naive to think that he has done any work at all on himself and would be faithful to you in any way.

Molly546 · 26/09/2024 21:09

He's a narcissist OP, there's a string of women and there always will be. He's contacted you straight after being kicked out because he can't manage being alone, it's not a roof he's looking for it's a warm body. He needs supply, he needs you to fawn over him and boost his ego. But you're just a pawn to him and if you don't play the game he'll have no problem cutting you out of his life and moving on to the next person he can charm.

Don't meet him OP, the intensity you felt in this relationship was part of what made it dysfunctional. That intensity isn't healthy in a relationship, it's what a narcissist does to you, it's how they play you, it's how they make themselves your everything. You don't want to feel that again OP, it may be complete emotional dependence but it's not what love is.

He'll know exactly what to say to wind you back in, he'll know exactly what you want to hear and he'll do everything in his power to convince you that he is 100% genuine and that you mean everything to him and this your chance to be together. So if you're making good choices now OP then you need to not meet and not have anything to do with him in anyway. Save yourself a lifetime of misery OP and stay well away.

WiddlinDiddlin · 26/09/2024 21:09

Forget everything he ever said, put that right out of the equation.

Now focus on everything he did, or didn't do. Mostly on what he did.

Is that still someone you want to associate with on any level?

If it is, then you message back 'not until I see the divorce paperwork'.
And if he does come back with that, never ever trust him, never put yourself in a position where you're reliant or dependent on him.

Personally I think you are mad for even contemplating it though!

Cem82 · 26/09/2024 21:09

My mam always says that you lose a man the way you get a man, cheaters don’t suddenly become faithful to their affair partners.

When your ex met his wife she was beautiful and interesting and shiny but after living with her for years and having kids it became a bit samey a bit monotonous so he had many many affairs with new shiny beautiful women. You are currently beautiful, shiny and more interesting than his boring wife that tells him to put the kids to bed or put his dirty laundry in the machine. Incidentally he left his wife at home minding kids alone and shouldering all of the parenting when he was off meeting other women, going on dates etc… that to me says he doesn’t want a part of the boring practical stuff, just the fun and he is happy to dump his responsibilities on his partner - consider this if you ever want to have kids, he is a part time “fun” parent. He is also a very practised liar who successfully lied to his wife about where he was and what he was doing for years, he also told her he loved her.

If you are not already seeing a therapist I would really urge you to do so, it can be very helpful to find out why you are falling for manipulative and abusive men. To help heal yourself and find someone who loves you and won’t stray!

One of my best friends was with a man who claimed to be separated but cohabiting with his ex wife for the sake of the kids. He said she was abusive (physically, verbally, financially) - one day his “ex wife” got pregnant, he claimed they had a one night stand after too much to drink. He cut my friend out of his life to try save the marriage, no contact for years, my friend was suicidal, she said she felt like her heart was ripped from her chest, she was empty. He was back in touch 2/3 years later, apparently his marriage was all over again, she was the love of his life, he was so sorry. She had moved city and he moved into her apartment several days a week working in that city and went to his marital home at weekends and stayed with his “ex” who he said refused to sell the house etc… One day it all blew up and his “ex” filed for divorce and tracked down my friend and lost it her - guy claimed wife was just crazy, she knew all along but her own relationship had ended so she was taking it out on them. My friend believed him, they stayed together but whenever the kids visited had to live separately as they hated her for being a home wrecker. About ten years into their legitimate relationship she finds he is having an affair with an even younger woman, he tells the new woman my friend is a crazy ex while simultaneously messaging her to take him back. Oh and after living off my friend for decades because ex wife was apparently financially controlling, taking all his money etc… he buys a massive house to live in with the new younger model. He passed away recently and from the eulogies at the funeral the new woman was with him for several years longer than my friend knew about and didn’t seem to know he was with someone else. My friend never had kids because she waited around so long for this guy.

Do not see this man, don’t give him airtime, find a good therapist and work through what you are looking to fulfil in yourself with these manipulative men!

Babbadoobabbadock · 26/09/2024 21:10

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 21:06

I’m referencing childhood abuse and the situation with my ex. Not the situation with him. Clearly I have acknowledged that was a bad choice.

If it was a bad choice why are you considering doing it again ?

Bee43 · 26/09/2024 21:10

I’m sorry you were abused before you met him, but I have absolutely no sympathy for you for having an affair with a man who had a wife AND children, knowing he did. You were essentially a prostitute/escort- happy for a cushy financial setup, while giving him what he wanted- attention and sex. I see you aren’t the only one he was sleeping with while he was with his wife, that does not surprise me.

He was talking rubbish about his Mrs not letting him see the kids and that’s why he went back, he could’ve got legal access to them. He just didn’t want to leave his comfy setup, he wanted to have his cake and eat it.

He likely just wants a shag now, he won’t and never loved you, and if you get with him he will end up cheating on you with someone else. I’m betting that his wife kicked him out, not that he actually left her.

I wonder what his children think of you? Affairs can wreck lives for the children.

also, sorry, I don’t buy this “I was vulnerable” shite where the woman blames the man entirely. If anything, being an abusive relationship would put you off men for a while. I am assuming you are over 18 years old and he holds no power such as being a teacher over you. He did not force you to have an affair with him, he offered you escapism and money. It is both your fault for having the affair- NOT just his.

im sure you’ll get plenty of women on here entirely blaming him for “taking advantage” but I do not buy it.

Daschund · 26/09/2024 21:12

Of course you should meet. You're clearly star-crossed lovers, true soul mates the type that only appear once in a lifetime, destined to be truthful and loyal for eternity...

tolerable · 26/09/2024 21:13

so it goes- ABUSER -VICTIM-RESCUER--.and continues and continues....occasional switch roles...
unless you break the cycle.
I have little doubt your feelings,emotions were ALL absolutely real.

so is this...He is ....at best...
A serial cheat, a ratbag whoapparently utilised your vulnerable position on pretence he was some kinda knight in shining armour HELPing you back on your feet BUT is not even a cunt in tinfoil. Soon as "caught"he auto pilot ditches you , returns to play alonga wife/kids,convieniently claims he will be denied his kids(so SHES the baddie)..continues following his cock round,caught again,gets in touch with NO regard as to effect getting dumped hs had on you,how hurt you were and how far youve come,offering FUCK ALL at all.
This "feels the same" love of life- WHO YOU DIDNT Even recognise when shit hit fan...
Abuse in his marriage .for real!! by him.Of course he plays the part well...Hes been a player for years,doesnt cross his mind not to
"seperating"...how very considerate of him to dip toe in water and test if your bed is still warm.
Youve ruled out infatuation n trauma bond.
YOUVE rebuilt your entire life(without him).
ok
Let go of any guilt from what YOU did previously. you suffered enough
i assure you-he has NONE.

Sorry for being so harsh but the man you THOUGHT he was doesnt even exist.
thts why he ws unrecogniseable when the game stopt n the rules changed.hes an absolute RAT
Meet him? nope,not even at the gates of hell.
you would be backing a loser.100% .
who will chet,lie,canive and drop you like a hot potato with no fucks given.Again.AND AGAIN..and again.
The hardest thing ever is untie the ribbon round your wrist even when its obvious the baloon popped long ago.
People who love you,care for you ,respect you DO NOT EVER treat you like that.you have come so far,there is literally 4billion men on the planet.
Free yourself,love yourself and respect yourself.

Sorrelia · 26/09/2024 21:13

Thing is, unfortunately, nothing anyone says will prevent you from meeting with him. It's one of those situations where you've already made your choice.
But he is bad news, he will make you sad, and he will waste more of your time.
I understand what you feel, though.

AbominablePloughMan · 26/09/2024 21:14

You know he’s bad news. I understand why you’re asking these questions, and you are right to question his intentions. He treated you pretty appallingly. Never mind what went on with his wife. That’s all the info you need. Cast him off.

Dora33 · 26/09/2024 21:15

His wife and most likely children and the rest of his family will know you were his affair partner of a year. If you get back to him, his children will still be in his life and probably will not look to have a good relationship with you.
So even if he has broken up with his wife for good, your previous situation won't be forgotten about. He sounds horrible but is still their Dad. Whereas you can't tell them you were vulnerable etc, if they look to blame you.
Your initial post does not seem to show his wife much compassion, rather is very self focused. His family aren't likely to show you any compassion either.
In meeting up with him, you are walking into a minefield

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 21:16

Sorrelia · 26/09/2024 21:13

Thing is, unfortunately, nothing anyone says will prevent you from meeting with him. It's one of those situations where you've already made your choice.
But he is bad news, he will make you sad, and he will waste more of your time.
I understand what you feel, though.

I really haven’t made a decision to meet him. I am trying to make sense of why I am even considering it. Why I find it so hard to believe he is / was abusive, to me, his wife whoever. I was never fooled by my narcissistic ex. I don’t know why it’s different with him.

OP posts:
Babbadoobabbadock · 26/09/2024 21:17

So you’re still considering meeting him ?

Zone2NorthLondon · 26/09/2024 21:17

Bee43 · 26/09/2024 21:10

I’m sorry you were abused before you met him, but I have absolutely no sympathy for you for having an affair with a man who had a wife AND children, knowing he did. You were essentially a prostitute/escort- happy for a cushy financial setup, while giving him what he wanted- attention and sex. I see you aren’t the only one he was sleeping with while he was with his wife, that does not surprise me.

He was talking rubbish about his Mrs not letting him see the kids and that’s why he went back, he could’ve got legal access to them. He just didn’t want to leave his comfy setup, he wanted to have his cake and eat it.

He likely just wants a shag now, he won’t and never loved you, and if you get with him he will end up cheating on you with someone else. I’m betting that his wife kicked him out, not that he actually left her.

I wonder what his children think of you? Affairs can wreck lives for the children.

also, sorry, I don’t buy this “I was vulnerable” shite where the woman blames the man entirely. If anything, being an abusive relationship would put you off men for a while. I am assuming you are over 18 years old and he holds no power such as being a teacher over you. He did not force you to have an affair with him, he offered you escapism and money. It is both your fault for having the affair- NOT just his.

im sure you’ll get plenty of women on here entirely blaming him for “taking advantage” but I do not buy it.

Edited

That’s a salutary about women who hang about love lorn for men who are actually liars

BoelBedmunds · 26/09/2024 21:17

Just no op. Don’t trash what you have just rebuilt, he will repeat the same action with you. Don’t be a fool, good luck.

Zone2NorthLondon · 26/09/2024 21:18

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 21:16

I really haven’t made a decision to meet him. I am trying to make sense of why I am even considering it. Why I find it so hard to believe he is / was abusive, to me, his wife whoever. I was never fooled by my narcissistic ex. I don’t know why it’s different with him.

Because he’s skilled, because you don’t want to believe it. Because you’ve created a whole he’s not so bad narrative about him

You had 2 abusive relationships

  1. the first ex
  2. this guy
MsCactus · 26/09/2024 21:19

You got away from one abusive man. Now you want to start something with a known liar and cheat.

Ask yourself why you're so desperate to go back to a man like that. This isn't love - it's self-loathing

IhateSPSS · 26/09/2024 21:19

Are you feeling confused or are you feeling conflicted?

Because if you are in conflict about this situation, it means psychologically you are struggling more than you thought. You perhaps need to a do a bit more work on strengthening your ability to emotionally regulate and know what's best for yourself and trust yourself. This might be where your confusion lies. Have you thought that you may be entertaining this as a possibility because it's chaos? I used to seek out things that were bad for me (substance misuse, abusive relationships, risk taking behaviours) because feeling bad in my childhood was my normal, and even if situations are obviously a very bad idea to everyone else, people with unresolved trauma tend to be pulled back to chaos as your traumatised brains way of seeking equilibrium. You've only really properly healed when you recognise this and say fuck that, not a chance and strengthen your ability to reject core beliefs and patterns and live in a healthier, safer way.

AnneLovesGilbert · 26/09/2024 21:19

He probably won’t be as wealthy once he’s divorced. That might make him less attractive.

BoelBedmunds · 26/09/2024 21:20

Also what’s the proof his wife was abusive and why would that justify yous two actions?

MsCactus · 26/09/2024 21:20

IhateSPSS · 26/09/2024 21:19

Are you feeling confused or are you feeling conflicted?

Because if you are in conflict about this situation, it means psychologically you are struggling more than you thought. You perhaps need to a do a bit more work on strengthening your ability to emotionally regulate and know what's best for yourself and trust yourself. This might be where your confusion lies. Have you thought that you may be entertaining this as a possibility because it's chaos? I used to seek out things that were bad for me (substance misuse, abusive relationships, risk taking behaviours) because feeling bad in my childhood was my normal, and even if situations are obviously a very bad idea to everyone else, people with unresolved trauma tend to be pulled back to chaos as your traumatised brains way of seeking equilibrium. You've only really properly healed when you recognise this and say fuck that, not a chance and strengthen your ability to reject core beliefs and patterns and live in a healthier, safer way.

Edited

This is such a good comment - OP this is why you're so drawn to him

cocoloco23 · 26/09/2024 21:21

I’m curious about why you think this isn’t limerance / a trauma bond? Because it went on for so long? I experienced limerence twice: both times it went on for years.

IMO, the man you’re infatuated with doesn’t exist. You’re in love with an idea of who you want him to be. You want him to be the man you’ve fantasised about and longed for for so long. He isn’t that man - he’s a liar and a cheat and a user.

And day to day life with an ex wife and children in the background, are very different to snatched moments of desire and declarations of love over text.

You need a better man than this, otherwise you will hurl yourself backwards and all the progress you’ve made will be undone tenfold.

BathSoak · 26/09/2024 21:21

Don’t care if you were hospitalised for anxiety you won’t get any sympathy from me you knew he was married. Now he’s bored single and wants a shag love

Mohosandcaras · 26/09/2024 21:21

What has he got, a magic cock?!

Listen to yourself.