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3.5 years later and he’s leaving his wife…

525 replies

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 19:51

A few years ago I had an affair with a MM. I was single, met him at a vulnerable time having escaped an abusive relationship. He supported me financially and helped me rebuild my life, and at the time I selfishly was focused on trying to survive and that’s it really. I lost everything leaving my ex and was starting from scratch. It was supposed to be an arrangement that worked for us both mutually.

We totally fell for each other. It was totally unplanned and unexpected and I was blindsided by it. I guess his wife noticed a change in him, and after nearly a year she found out. Part of me was relieved because I was finding it hard and obviously did not feel good about what I was doing. But it devastated my life. He tossed me aside like I was nothing. Said he had to stay for his kids. I was so badly affected I was hospitalised twice with severe anxiety. I had felt so deeply that he loved me so it was completely horrific. He still contacted me without her knowing from time to time despite trying to ‘reconcile’ with his wife. Mostly to say he was powerless in the situation and she was threatening to take the kids. I wasn’t the only woman he’d cheated with. He’d been doing it for years but had never been found out. He said he was very good at ‘compartmentalising’ until then, apparently.

Anyway. He stopped contacting me but continued stalking me online for over a year. I eventually confronted him. He admitted he loved me. Apologised for doing it and thought I hadn’t realised. Said he regretted marrying her. It was only for the kids. I said I had to block him and he didn’t want me to but understood. I did so but only on SM, not his phone.

So life carried on, I had been rebuilding my life and retrained in a whole new career. Rebuilt my finances after being financially abused by my ex. It’s been hell and the hardest thing I’ve ever done, but I’m finally in a good place. New home, new job. Lovely housemates. I objectively know he’s been a shit. But there was not a day that went by I didn’t think of him. The whole thing was totally incongruous to who he was as a person, or thought he was, but yet he still did it. I have never been able to get my head around it.

So anyway. Over three years later and he has gotten in touch, and said they are separating. He wants to meet and I have no idea what to do. On one hand, he nearly destroyed me by doing what he did. I know objectively he is completely flawed as a person. On the other hand I have never felt for anyone the way I felt about him and it felt mutual. Aspects of his marriage seemed abusive to me and very similar to what I went through, but I’m aware I don’t know the whole picture. This is what I’ve seen - not what he told me.

I’m so torn as to whether to leave it alone or meet up and hear him out. I don’t want to compromise what I’ve built but also don’t want to regret it.

I’ve done so much work on myself to make sure I am never in a similar situation with a man again. My whole life has changed. I have sacrificed so much and had to face the abuse I suffered not just from my ex but from my childhood. I am not even the same person and usually this would mean he means nothing to me because I’ve evolved beyond it, but part of me still loves him. It’s not limerance or a trauma bond, it’s been years now, but still something I have never been able to shake despite seeing him for who he is and what he’s done.

Would appreciate thoughts. Is he just an inherently bad person? I know what I did was wrong but I did everything I could to better myself and make sure I wasn’t in that situation again. I don’t know if he’s done the same.

OP posts:
arethereanyleftatall · 26/09/2024 20:50

Oh come off it op. I've only read the op, but it was pure cringe. I'm sure you're not that much of a fool?

eeeeeeeee · 26/09/2024 20:51

Honestly I think your entire life is very sad. All of it, your childhood, your abuse, you being 2nd best, this relationship etc. I think you must be a very lonely person. And that’s why you’re giving this so much headspace. I don’t think you’re mentally in the right place for a relationship and I definitely don’t think this is the right man for you. What steps have you taken to improve your mental health, as you have been hospitalised? I hope you’re not riding out on him making everything better for you.

Timeheals · 26/09/2024 20:53

If you have put yourself back together after all of that and are consciously making better choices - then the answer should be obvious to you. He can’t give you anything, including the closure you think you need from him - you don’t need it from him, you need to find it in yourself by proving to yourself you do not need him. Find a man who enhances your life and makes you feel amazing if you want to. But for yourself - be the person who makes yourself feel safe.

bringslight · 26/09/2024 20:53

Living a cheating life with a married cheating man is not a mistake. It is life based on months and years of taking the decisions to hurt that wife and kids. Delete the thread. Useless

viques · 26/09/2024 20:55

OP I am wondering how many of his ex women he is contacting with his sob story. First one to agree to meet him wins the prize I guess. .after all , now he doesn’t have a wife dealing with all the stuff that is needed to make his life comfortable, clean clothes, a comfortable home, someone to walk to the fridge to get him a beer, sex on demand, a personable woman to sit opposite him at dinner rather than looking like a middle aged Billy no mates on his own, someone to keep track of the car insurance, passports, dental appointments etc etc he will need a replacement home PA.

Liar, cheat, stalker, he sounds like a catch. Personally, I would throw him back in the water and watch him sink.

Deafdonkey · 26/09/2024 20:56

I know you aren't listening and that's because you are still broken. A whole person wouldn't post this because they were whole and knew when to tell someone to fuck off.

Different situation, but same lack of self esteem with me, which means I'm in a horrible marriage with someone that doesn't love me as they should.

You will be a rebound, a place in a storm, a hot meal and a shag.

You are worth so much more- I would love to be where you are now, rebuilding your life. He is a hurricane and will destroy it all .

arethereanyleftatall · 26/09/2024 20:56

Are you 26 as per your username? And he's quite a lot older?

Terrribletwos · 26/09/2024 20:57

Zone2NorthLondon · 26/09/2024 20:41

yes he an abuser, you know this. Not all abusers are stereotypical thug. They can present complicated, layered,well enunciated,charismatic. He wrecked your mental health. Stalked you.

currently You have made such big achievement and are in a safe stable place. You have made a different life after 2 abusive relationships- well done you

he creates what ifs as you have shared past,he know how to ingratiate himself to you. He know what to do

Thank you, yes, this pretty much sums it up. He has abused you and his wife.

Fartly · 26/09/2024 20:58

If you've worked on yourself and are happier now, I think you will find he isn't the man you are even looking for now. You will have outgrown him.

You felt these deep intense feelings for him at such a vulnerable time, he took advantage of you and treated both you and his family terribly. He is definitely abusive and I really hope you are strong enough to not get sucked in by him again. Keep building that better life and better things and people will come along if you make space for them.

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 20:58

To be clear, the information on my background is not to make me appear as though I am a victim. I had horrific things happen to me that were not my fault or my choice and then I perpetuated that with my own bad choices. I then made a lot of very hard choices to rectify that. What happened was not my fault but it was my responsibility to fix that. And I did.

I guess the general consensus is, he can’t have possibly done the same.

yes a year ago I would have been happy he messaged me. Now all I feel is confusion.

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Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 20:59

Timeheals · 26/09/2024 20:53

If you have put yourself back together after all of that and are consciously making better choices - then the answer should be obvious to you. He can’t give you anything, including the closure you think you need from him - you don’t need it from him, you need to find it in yourself by proving to yourself you do not need him. Find a man who enhances your life and makes you feel amazing if you want to. But for yourself - be the person who makes yourself feel safe.

The logical answer is obvious to me, of course. It doesn’t feel logical.

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Deafdonkey · 26/09/2024 21:00

yes a year ago I would have been happy he messaged me. Now all I feel is confusion

This is because you are growing as a person. You know deep down this is the wrong thing to do.

Be strong, you are worth more

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 21:00

arethereanyleftatall · 26/09/2024 20:56

Are you 26 as per your username? And he's quite a lot older?

I am not 26, early thirties and he’s only 10 years older.

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Sheepchops · 26/09/2024 21:01

The guy is a serial adulterer- if you let him into your life he will also cheat on you eventually

LostOnTheWayToManderley · 26/09/2024 21:02

Have you blocked his phone yet, OP?

Do that first. Wonder why you still felt tempted afterwards, from a place of safety where he can’t manipulate you again.

And read the post from @IhateSPSS - she recognises what’s happening here from being there and ACTUALLY having fully moved on.

ShinyPebble32 · 26/09/2024 21:04

Nap1983 · 26/09/2024 19:53

Tell him to fuck off… his wife's probably left him after years of cheating, dont be the next fool.

It’s very rare the first comment nails it, but this.

Zone2NorthLondon · 26/09/2024 21:04

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 20:58

To be clear, the information on my background is not to make me appear as though I am a victim. I had horrific things happen to me that were not my fault or my choice and then I perpetuated that with my own bad choices. I then made a lot of very hard choices to rectify that. What happened was not my fault but it was my responsibility to fix that. And I did.

I guess the general consensus is, he can’t have possibly done the same.

yes a year ago I would have been happy he messaged me. Now all I feel is confusion.

You can absolutely comment in yourself,your recovery your insights
You can’t objectively comment about him,you have history,he’s caused your mental health to deteriorate
It’s not your role to say whether or not he’s changed,mended,atoned or represent him as a reformed character

Belle82 · 26/09/2024 21:05

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 20:58

To be clear, the information on my background is not to make me appear as though I am a victim. I had horrific things happen to me that were not my fault or my choice and then I perpetuated that with my own bad choices. I then made a lot of very hard choices to rectify that. What happened was not my fault but it was my responsibility to fix that. And I did.

I guess the general consensus is, he can’t have possibly done the same.

yes a year ago I would have been happy he messaged me. Now all I feel is confusion.

“not my fault” so you accidentally fell into bed and followed on an affair with a married man by accident.

As others have said, you both deserve each other.

Aimtodobetter · 26/09/2024 21:06

Please consider that it is not a coincidence that he got involved with you when you were so vulnerable and easily exploited. I obviously don't know the full details - but someone who spends years in a super unhealthy marriage, has a pattern of repeated cheating "to cope" and from what you've described treated you pretty badly at a time when you were super vulnerable - sounds like someone who has told you exactly who he is as a person. Even if there may be a path for him to build himself into a better, stronger person in the future that is pretty rare and in the meantime you'd be taking on all of the emotional baggage from the break-up of his marriage. That isn't the sort of situation you want to open yourself to up now that you have built a better life for yourself.

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 21:06

Belle82 · 26/09/2024 21:05

“not my fault” so you accidentally fell into bed and followed on an affair with a married man by accident.

As others have said, you both deserve each other.

I’m referencing childhood abuse and the situation with my ex. Not the situation with him. Clearly I have acknowledged that was a bad choice.

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FrauPaige · 26/09/2024 21:07

@Jigglytuff26 I had a relationship with a married man. I did not know that he was married when I met him. I was young, early career.

Where were you meeting when you were dating? Nice hotels after swanky dinners? Weekends away? International city breaks?

Was he charming yet at times almost boyish - a side of him that only you got to see? Did he 'admit' his Iove for you cautiously, and reluctantly?

Affairs with married men feel great in the moment because they are illicit, escapist, you have the most amazing dinners and trips, and as you don't live with the guy you only see his good side. But they are not real and they are wrong.

You were vulnerable and needed financial support when you met him. They choose us when we are vulnerable or young so that they have a power/wealth/experience imbalance.

You have rebuilt your career, finances, and self-esteem. You don't need him now - he is a serial liar and cheater and will just undo you have done over the last 3.5 years.

We often gravitate to the same type of men that have abused us - as its what we are used to. We incorrectly associate that feeling of familiarity with connection.

It's time to break the cycle

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 21:07

Aimtodobetter · 26/09/2024 21:06

Please consider that it is not a coincidence that he got involved with you when you were so vulnerable and easily exploited. I obviously don't know the full details - but someone who spends years in a super unhealthy marriage, has a pattern of repeated cheating "to cope" and from what you've described treated you pretty badly at a time when you were super vulnerable - sounds like someone who has told you exactly who he is as a person. Even if there may be a path for him to build himself into a better, stronger person in the future that is pretty rare and in the meantime you'd be taking on all of the emotional baggage from the break-up of his marriage. That isn't the sort of situation you want to open yourself to up now that you have built a better life for yourself.

Thanks, yes I don’t think it was a coincidence. I don’t think it was deliberate necessarily but the dynamic clearly worked for him in some way. I do recognise that.

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Alongthepineconetrail · 26/09/2024 21:07

Block his number & forget about him. Get some therapy & continue to lead a good life.

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notafanofmarmite · 26/09/2024 21:08

No way. Block his messages. And read a great website called Baggage Reclaim by Natalie Lue. She has some excellent advice about dealing with chaps like this, as well as why you might feel drawn to them.

DoYouReally · 26/09/2024 21:08

His wife got sick of him....you do know this right?

You were vulnerable and made stupid choices. It doesn't make it right but it does make it understandable.

You don't have that excuse now.

Why did you spend so much effort on improving your life if you are only going to throw all that effort away to be with this absolute loser?

Block him.

If this isn't a clear cut decision for you, you still have a lot of work to do on yourself.