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3.5 years later and he’s leaving his wife…

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Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 19:51

A few years ago I had an affair with a MM. I was single, met him at a vulnerable time having escaped an abusive relationship. He supported me financially and helped me rebuild my life, and at the time I selfishly was focused on trying to survive and that’s it really. I lost everything leaving my ex and was starting from scratch. It was supposed to be an arrangement that worked for us both mutually.

We totally fell for each other. It was totally unplanned and unexpected and I was blindsided by it. I guess his wife noticed a change in him, and after nearly a year she found out. Part of me was relieved because I was finding it hard and obviously did not feel good about what I was doing. But it devastated my life. He tossed me aside like I was nothing. Said he had to stay for his kids. I was so badly affected I was hospitalised twice with severe anxiety. I had felt so deeply that he loved me so it was completely horrific. He still contacted me without her knowing from time to time despite trying to ‘reconcile’ with his wife. Mostly to say he was powerless in the situation and she was threatening to take the kids. I wasn’t the only woman he’d cheated with. He’d been doing it for years but had never been found out. He said he was very good at ‘compartmentalising’ until then, apparently.

Anyway. He stopped contacting me but continued stalking me online for over a year. I eventually confronted him. He admitted he loved me. Apologised for doing it and thought I hadn’t realised. Said he regretted marrying her. It was only for the kids. I said I had to block him and he didn’t want me to but understood. I did so but only on SM, not his phone.

So life carried on, I had been rebuilding my life and retrained in a whole new career. Rebuilt my finances after being financially abused by my ex. It’s been hell and the hardest thing I’ve ever done, but I’m finally in a good place. New home, new job. Lovely housemates. I objectively know he’s been a shit. But there was not a day that went by I didn’t think of him. The whole thing was totally incongruous to who he was as a person, or thought he was, but yet he still did it. I have never been able to get my head around it.

So anyway. Over three years later and he has gotten in touch, and said they are separating. He wants to meet and I have no idea what to do. On one hand, he nearly destroyed me by doing what he did. I know objectively he is completely flawed as a person. On the other hand I have never felt for anyone the way I felt about him and it felt mutual. Aspects of his marriage seemed abusive to me and very similar to what I went through, but I’m aware I don’t know the whole picture. This is what I’ve seen - not what he told me.

I’m so torn as to whether to leave it alone or meet up and hear him out. I don’t want to compromise what I’ve built but also don’t want to regret it.

I’ve done so much work on myself to make sure I am never in a similar situation with a man again. My whole life has changed. I have sacrificed so much and had to face the abuse I suffered not just from my ex but from my childhood. I am not even the same person and usually this would mean he means nothing to me because I’ve evolved beyond it, but part of me still loves him. It’s not limerance or a trauma bond, it’s been years now, but still something I have never been able to shake despite seeing him for who he is and what he’s done.

Would appreciate thoughts. Is he just an inherently bad person? I know what I did was wrong but I did everything I could to better myself and make sure I wasn’t in that situation again. I don’t know if he’s done the same.

OP posts:
Mmhmmn · 27/09/2024 00:10

He’s another probably abusive, definitely dishonest fuck head who does not want to be on his own. Avoid.

ImaBuilder · 27/09/2024 00:10

well done for blocking him! Stay strong.

It might help you to romanticise the act of walking away from someone without ‘closure’. Fuck closure. You won’t get that with a serial cheats…he keeps the fires burning and strings his mistress(es) along forever. His fragile ego needs you.

sorry to be so blunt, I’ve been in your shoes. Don’t waste your 30s on this…you’ve come so far.

Raspberryripple11 · 27/09/2024 00:39

Block him on everything possible. It might be hard but it’ll be easier in the long term.
If you get together with him he will cheat on you. He may become abusive. You know what the right answer is or you wouldn’t be posting here.
Focus on yourself, enjoy the wonderful life you’ve built for yourself. Maybe one day an amazing man will come along and treat you the way you deserve, but he is not that man. X

Opentooffers · 27/09/2024 01:01

He seemed lovely and you had fun times with him, but you also know you were not the first and he was a serial cheat. You didn't have anything more special than what he had with others who he probably gave the same BS to.
Now he's getting into his little black book and putting the feelers out until someone bites as he's all alone. Don't be the one out of many to take him up on it, think more highly of yourself.

PyongyangKipperbang · 27/09/2024 01:12

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 23:17

Thank you, I did and I feel physically sick.

He already did cause awful damage to me and his family, and I just don’t want to believe that hasn’t changed him in some way because it changed me and my life irrevocably.

You are assuming he has normal emotional responses.

He doesnt. He isnt normal AT ALL. At best NPD and at worst a sociopath. Either way, body swerve.

ETA.... you say he is wealthy, is he very successful in his chosen career? A big boss with a big job?

Missanimosity · 27/09/2024 01:55

I think I heard a woman on the telly recently making a very clever analogy. When your abuser didn't manage to kill you first time, going back to him is like giving him another bullet so he can try again. Although I try to not judge, I will say that you defended yourself and him a lot, I don't think you are as the victim you say you are, knowing what you have been through you go and make another woman going through same shit by getting on with a married man. And no, I don't believe in mistakes, mistake is a drunken kiss not a choice to fuck someone's husband for years. Life has crossroads, your moral compass should guide you which path you take, seems yours is a tad broken.

XChrome · 27/09/2024 02:48

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 20:20

I didn’t cheat on anyone. I would also say that his wife has done some pretty terrible things to him. That doesn’t absolve him, but things can be more complicated than first appears.

I don’t lack moral values. I did a stupid and selfish thing in a desperate situation and have made sure I’m never in that situation again.

I would also say that his wife has done some pretty terrible things to him.

According to him, a proven liar.
IMO, the fact that you keep making these excuses proves you have not changed at all and would in all likelihood do it again. People who have truly changed do not defend their vile behaviour in any way. Not with "it's complicated" or with "it's not black and white" or with "his wife is a big meanie" or with "I didn't cheat on anyone."
A truly changed person with a good moral compass would say none of those things. She would take her lumps because she knows she deserves them for behaving that way. So stop kidding yourself. This choice to be an OW for a very long time absolutely did reflect your character, as do your excuses for it now.
How dare you try to put this on his wife, btw. Sickening.

XChrome · 27/09/2024 02:55

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 20:28

No… I saw some pretty horrific stuff first hand. He still didn’t leave though which speaks volumes I know. But then I also didn’t leave my ex for years.

Are you saying this woman you were complicit in the abuse of was a friend of yours? Fuuuuck, this story just gets worse with every post.
How do you know she was not just responding to his shitty treatment of her? Do you actually think serial cheaters are good to their wives?
I don't even believe you saw any such thing, anyway. I think you blew up something relatively small into, as you put it, "horrific" in order to justify your behaviour.

XChrome · 27/09/2024 02:58

Bee43 · 26/09/2024 21:41

💯-, I have absolutely no sympathy for OP either.. His children’s lives have likely been obliterated due to his behaviour, she is more concerned for herself and how she felt and not his family. Being in an abusive relationship beforehand does not excuse her and his behaviour. She knew what she was doing.

Edited

That is the stone truth. I can hardly believe how many people are buying this "I've changed" bullshit when she keeps on making excuses.

Mummyoflittledragon · 27/09/2024 04:12

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 23:09

It’s not so much thinking I am special I just find it hard to stomach that he caused so much destruction and pain and hasn’t learned anything from it. It’s not human.

It’s not human.

Yes, you are totally correct here. He’s a parasite. Not human and he feeds off the pain he causes. And he chooses his victims carefully. Please, please stay away from him. I get he has been haunting you because that’s what parasites do. They look for the most vulnerable victims and latch onto them and feed off of their pain.

My first love was a parasite. They’re so charming and he would be charming to me still if we ever met up yet the way he treated me was so painful. I can well understand how you ended up hospitalised because of it. I also went into deep, deep depression because of him and it took decades to really truly get over what he did to me.

I am so glad you’re staying away from him. Close the door on this man, forever. Stop thinking about him. He is seriously bad news.

Newnamehiwhodis · 27/09/2024 04:55

Oh, they always come running when the woman they thought would be shattered is on her feet, having a good life. That is ALWAYS when they come weaseling back in.

if you let this man even partially back in your life, he will ruin it, OP. he will destroy your happiness.

SunflowerTed · 27/09/2024 05:05

I think he probably made you feel special until his wife found out and he dropped you. You two would probably work again for a while at least until he became bored and moved into his next affair. I’m sure you fantasise that it will all work out and are secretly flattered he keeps getting in touch!? Two people who built their first ‘relationship’ through lying and cheating early make it long term

Jigglytuff26 · 27/09/2024 05:31

XChrome · 27/09/2024 02:58

That is the stone truth. I can hardly believe how many people are buying this "I've changed" bullshit when she keeps on making excuses.

I haven’t made excuses at all, and no, I was not friends with his wife.

I haven’t gone near a MM since and changed my
whole life to make sure I would never be even remotely tempted due to circumstances / self esteem or anything else. If that isn’t ‘changing’ I really don’t know what is, but far easier to demonise me.

and yes to the PP up thread - big job, big career. Normally I can spot a narc a mile off though. That’s what made the whole thing so hard.

OP posts:
shrubgreen · 27/09/2024 05:40

Jigglytuff26 · 27/09/2024 05:31

I haven’t made excuses at all, and no, I was not friends with his wife.

I haven’t gone near a MM since and changed my
whole life to make sure I would never be even remotely tempted due to circumstances / self esteem or anything else. If that isn’t ‘changing’ I really don’t know what is, but far easier to demonise me.

and yes to the PP up thread - big job, big career. Normally I can spot a narc a mile off though. That’s what made the whole thing so hard.

But....you are tempted? So how much of a change is it really?

It sounds as though you want to believe that he's changed, that he's better, he's sought redemption, that he's fallen on his knees on the road to Damascus - why? What good would it do? Is it because if he's "changed" and you've "changed" you can now skip merrily off into the sunset together, because you've both grown and matured and can finally be the dream couple you want to be?

That's never going to happen.

More sympathetically, it sounds as though on a level you feel gratitude towards him... Yes he exploited you, seeking you out when you were vulnerable and exiting an abusive relationship. But he also practically helped you, with finances and companionship at a time when you felt alone. That's understandable if you do feel that shred of positivity towards him, but you have to see it for what it was from his point of view: groundwork for him to be able to exploit, manipulate and get what he wanted from a younger, vulnerable woman. It's hard to stomach because you also benefitted from the arrangement to a degree. But it doesn't make it any less unpleasant. Stop romanticising this.

Jigglytuff26 · 27/09/2024 05:52

shrubgreen · 27/09/2024 05:40

But....you are tempted? So how much of a change is it really?

It sounds as though you want to believe that he's changed, that he's better, he's sought redemption, that he's fallen on his knees on the road to Damascus - why? What good would it do? Is it because if he's "changed" and you've "changed" you can now skip merrily off into the sunset together, because you've both grown and matured and can finally be the dream couple you want to be?

That's never going to happen.

More sympathetically, it sounds as though on a level you feel gratitude towards him... Yes he exploited you, seeking you out when you were vulnerable and exiting an abusive relationship. But he also practically helped you, with finances and companionship at a time when you felt alone. That's understandable if you do feel that shred of positivity towards him, but you have to see it for what it was from his point of view: groundwork for him to be able to exploit, manipulate and get what he wanted from a younger, vulnerable woman. It's hard to stomach because you also benefitted from the arrangement to a degree. But it doesn't make it any less unpleasant. Stop romanticising this.

Not tempted to entertain him if he wasn’t single. Hence why I blocked his access to me on SM when after he was stalking me online ages ago.

I should have blocked his number then too, I didn’t but I have now.

OP posts:
cuckooooooo · 27/09/2024 05:56

You're just the next one in line now he's been dumped. Please don't fall for it

Inarightpickleandpreserve · 27/09/2024 06:07

If he’d do it with you, he’d do it to you.

Buildingthefuture · 27/09/2024 06:15

Unfortunately op, you do lack morals. You knew he was married with children. Lots of us have had traumatic childhoods and abusive ex husbands but have successfully managed not to shag married men. Not that it hasn’t been offered. There is a certain type of married man who can almost…..smell the vulnerability of women and they target you because you are vulnerable.
And even if you want to believe the “I wasn’t married so I did nothing wrong” bullshit (which is the siren song of every OW, everywhere) he is a proven cheat and a liar. Why exactly would you want someone like that?
I think a lot of wives try to get over affairs but find they can’t. And I think this is what has happened here. His wife has tried (probably for the children - did you ever think about them??) but is still tormented by what you did, so has ended it. Dickwad, who had his affair because he thought he deserved “more” (you AND his wife) suddenly finds himself with much less - no wife and no you. The wife has obviously dumped so he comes scurrying back to you - after he discarded you immediately on discovery.
Absolutely not. He is a shagger and a liar. Don’t even consider it. Move on.

TENSsion · 27/09/2024 06:30

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 22:00

Once upon a time maybe but ironically I am more qualified than he is. I’ve been set back given my history but if I work hard I know I can be successful.

i did have a fantasy of being rescued which I know is common following child abuse. This is one of the things I’ve been working hard to fix.

I genuinely don’t think you’d still be thinking about him if he was poor. I think you’re in love with what he provided for you rather than with the man himself.
It’s not a criticism. Who doesn’t want to be wealthy?

I just want you to be really honest with yourself about who he is and why he has any pull. You’ve not written much that shows him to have any positive personality traits. You know you can’t trust him. You know he lies. You know he cheats. You know he’s uncaring when he’s not getting what he wants.

Your happiness will not be improved by the addition of him.

Jigglytuff26 · 27/09/2024 06:36

TENSsion · 27/09/2024 06:30

I genuinely don’t think you’d still be thinking about him if he was poor. I think you’re in love with what he provided for you rather than with the man himself.
It’s not a criticism. Who doesn’t want to be wealthy?

I just want you to be really honest with yourself about who he is and why he has any pull. You’ve not written much that shows him to have any positive personality traits. You know you can’t trust him. You know he lies. You know he cheats. You know he’s uncaring when he’s not getting what he wants.

Your happiness will not be improved by the addition of him.

If I say anything positive about him I will get blasted for making excuses for him, so there is no point. Obviously there were because if people were all bad it would all be very simple.

The money very quickly became a non-factor feelings wise but of course initially it was a big part of what attracted me to him because it genuinely felt like a survival thing. At the time I literally saw no other way out of the situation I was in. Obviously now I look back I know that is not the case but at the time I wasn’t thinking straight at all.

OP posts:
BoundaryGirl3939 · 27/09/2024 06:43

He was horrible to you. He threw you into the trash. Only coming back as he has got nowhere else to go.

autienotnaughty · 27/09/2024 06:44

If you meet with him it will be great, he will be supportive and wonderful and you will be so happy.

UNTIL

He gets bored and cheats on you. You will be aware there's been a shift and drive yourself crazy trying to fix it even though it's not your fault. Eventually you'll find out he's cheating and have to decide whether to lose everything and start from scratch again or forgive him/turn a blind eye. The relationship will never feel as good after that. It will limp along until you eventually split anyway.

Or some variation of the above. Don't call him move on and enjoy your life.

GreyCarpet · 27/09/2024 06:52

I’ve done so much work on myself to make sure I am never in a similar situation with a man again.

So don't put yourself in that position.

You know he cheated on her throughout their relationship so this is a pattern of behaviour for him not a one off aberration.

Don't risk your present or future health and happiness on this or any man.

ittakes2 · 27/09/2024 06:56

He wants to be your cock lodger don’t waste anymore time on this low life. You do realise your connection was he was cleverer enough to work out what you considered to be important and played a role to manipulate your feelings so he could have an affair with you right?

Heylittlesongbird · 27/09/2024 07:01

You are right to block him. Be in no doubt, if you see him he will drag you straight back down into despair and vulnerability. Keep that door shut.

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