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3.5 years later and he’s leaving his wife…

525 replies

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 19:51

A few years ago I had an affair with a MM. I was single, met him at a vulnerable time having escaped an abusive relationship. He supported me financially and helped me rebuild my life, and at the time I selfishly was focused on trying to survive and that’s it really. I lost everything leaving my ex and was starting from scratch. It was supposed to be an arrangement that worked for us both mutually.

We totally fell for each other. It was totally unplanned and unexpected and I was blindsided by it. I guess his wife noticed a change in him, and after nearly a year she found out. Part of me was relieved because I was finding it hard and obviously did not feel good about what I was doing. But it devastated my life. He tossed me aside like I was nothing. Said he had to stay for his kids. I was so badly affected I was hospitalised twice with severe anxiety. I had felt so deeply that he loved me so it was completely horrific. He still contacted me without her knowing from time to time despite trying to ‘reconcile’ with his wife. Mostly to say he was powerless in the situation and she was threatening to take the kids. I wasn’t the only woman he’d cheated with. He’d been doing it for years but had never been found out. He said he was very good at ‘compartmentalising’ until then, apparently.

Anyway. He stopped contacting me but continued stalking me online for over a year. I eventually confronted him. He admitted he loved me. Apologised for doing it and thought I hadn’t realised. Said he regretted marrying her. It was only for the kids. I said I had to block him and he didn’t want me to but understood. I did so but only on SM, not his phone.

So life carried on, I had been rebuilding my life and retrained in a whole new career. Rebuilt my finances after being financially abused by my ex. It’s been hell and the hardest thing I’ve ever done, but I’m finally in a good place. New home, new job. Lovely housemates. I objectively know he’s been a shit. But there was not a day that went by I didn’t think of him. The whole thing was totally incongruous to who he was as a person, or thought he was, but yet he still did it. I have never been able to get my head around it.

So anyway. Over three years later and he has gotten in touch, and said they are separating. He wants to meet and I have no idea what to do. On one hand, he nearly destroyed me by doing what he did. I know objectively he is completely flawed as a person. On the other hand I have never felt for anyone the way I felt about him and it felt mutual. Aspects of his marriage seemed abusive to me and very similar to what I went through, but I’m aware I don’t know the whole picture. This is what I’ve seen - not what he told me.

I’m so torn as to whether to leave it alone or meet up and hear him out. I don’t want to compromise what I’ve built but also don’t want to regret it.

I’ve done so much work on myself to make sure I am never in a similar situation with a man again. My whole life has changed. I have sacrificed so much and had to face the abuse I suffered not just from my ex but from my childhood. I am not even the same person and usually this would mean he means nothing to me because I’ve evolved beyond it, but part of me still loves him. It’s not limerance or a trauma bond, it’s been years now, but still something I have never been able to shake despite seeing him for who he is and what he’s done.

Would appreciate thoughts. Is he just an inherently bad person? I know what I did was wrong but I did everything I could to better myself and make sure I wasn’t in that situation again. I don’t know if he’s done the same.

OP posts:
TheIranianYoghurtIsNotTheIssueHere · 26/09/2024 23:17

Nap1983 · 26/09/2024 19:53

Tell him to fuck off… his wife's probably left him after years of cheating, dont be the next fool.

First reply nailed it.

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 23:17

readysteadynono · 26/09/2024 23:14

This is never going to end well OP. There will be damage, probably awful damage and you will be the one to feel it.

This is a make or break your new life sort of moment. Block. Him. Now.

Thank you, I did and I feel physically sick.

He already did cause awful damage to me and his family, and I just don’t want to believe that hasn’t changed him in some way because it changed me and my life irrevocably.

OP posts:
ThreeLocusts · 26/09/2024 23:20

OP no doubt he's bad news. But it's also not surprising that you still respond strongly to being contacted. You were in a very vulnerable situation and he got under your skin.

It sounds a bit like you're tempted to meet up to work out why he gets to you so much. Don't. It'll only stir up a mess of emotions and give him the wrong idea - he's already online-stalked you once.

Stay strong and ignore, OP. By all means think and wonder about why he gets to you, but don't involve him in trying to understand it. He IS bad news.

Nanaof1GD · 26/09/2024 23:20

OP--It's now time to block him on EVERYTHING, including your phone.

He cheated on his wife. He would cheat on you, no matter what he "says".

He almost destroyed you before. WHY would you want to go through that again?

LuluBlakey1 · 26/09/2024 23:22

If you tell him to get lost and block him for good, he will find someone else within days/weeks. I'd bet my savings on that.

Rainbowqueeen · 26/09/2024 23:26

Well done on blocking him OP. That was absolutely the right move. Be proud of yourself for that.

I also wanted to comment on the idea of "closure". Its a myth that you get this by meeting with the person and talking it out. People are not honest in this situation. The end of a relationship hurts and we all go through it and we all deal with it. Closure comes from realising it was not the right relationship for you and its time to move on. An ex can never give you closure. So don't think you are missing out on not meeting him.

Besides this man does not want to give you closure. He wants something for himself that will only hurt you.

oakleaffy · 26/09/2024 23:26

AnneLovesGilbert · 26/09/2024 20:00

Where’s he living? What chance he’s after a free roof over his head?

He’s not you’re happily ever after. I’d stay well away tbh. If you’ve really made all the changes you think you have you won’t want to be dragged back into this mess.

Fwiw I think you’ll ignore the advice on here and meet up with him and then shag him, keep seeing him and let him stay over. You’ll then end up with him but you won’t trust him or he’ll go back to her. But no one can be sure.

This.

He's going to cheat.

You know he cheats - on your own head be it.

He will cause you lots of pain down the road.

CheekyHobson · 26/09/2024 23:30

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 23:09

It’s not so much thinking I am special I just find it hard to stomach that he caused so much destruction and pain and hasn’t learned anything from it. It’s not human.

Oh, okay, yeah this is where you need to wrestle with and accept a very difficult reality.

I get it. I was in a relationship with a covert abuser for years and when all his lies came out he seemed so so remorseful and so relieved to have it all out in the open so he could "completely change his life". Made lots of big vows of being a changed man, new perspective on life, blah blah.

It took about two months before cracks started to show and he started minimising, justifying and blame-shifting. We split and now from a distance (though still in contact as we have kids together), I can see he's right back to all his old habits and digging himself a nice new hole.

To me it seems extraordinary that he can't see how he's choosing to fuck up his future and treating people he's meant to care about poorly after literally years of psychotherapy and having gone through a massive fallout in his own life. And yet there he is, back in the same pattern. He just doesn't learn. I don't think he's capable. He can't take off his own blinkers.

It's hard to accept, it really is. You tie yourself in knots wondering how someone can see things in such a fucked-up way. But they do. Once you accept that there's no understanding them, you can emotionally detach and move on.

crockofshite · 26/09/2024 23:31

coldcallerbaiter · 26/09/2024 20:12

He is wealthy- oh I wondered what you saw in him and were willing to break a marriage up over, predictable….

Exactly!

If this cheating liar was poor would you still be considering letting him back in?

Zone2NorthLondon · 26/09/2024 23:33

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 23:09

It’s not so much thinking I am special I just find it hard to stomach that he caused so much destruction and pain and hasn’t learned anything from it. It’s not human.

Why are you ruminating about his reflections and learnings.hoping he’s now a good guy. Concentrate on maintaining your own wellbeing instead of speculating and hoping he’s became a different man. He will likely lie if asked
You: Are you now a better man,more reflective, less egocentric and less of a poon hound?
Him: Oh yea. I’m all new,better reflective. I’m whatever you want. Honest

PennyApril54 · 26/09/2024 23:33

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 23:17

Thank you, I did and I feel physically sick.

He already did cause awful damage to me and his family, and I just don’t want to believe that hasn’t changed him in some way because it changed me and my life irrevocably.

I understand that. But don't spend any more time or energy trying to work him out. There's no point going over it all again and again in your head. You don't need to understand him. You never will. You need to accept that and move on. Give him no more of your precious headspace. As soon as you find yourself thinking about him stop yourself and make a conscious effort to think of something unrelated. Train your brain! There is a lot of support for you and good advice on this thread. Please listen to people.

kookoocachoo · 26/09/2024 23:37

So he’s at a loose-end, just got dumped by latest affair AND wife, how many he called before you?

What you do next -
Depends on whether you want an involvement with a love cheat, untrustworthy man who chucked you out like trash.
or
Love being on your own / Work hard to meet someone who treats you like GOLD.

Onand · 26/09/2024 23:40

He just sees you as that easy and convenient shag he was doing a few years ago, probably along with some others too. That was before he tossed you aside to the dump pile.

Grim.

NZDreaming · 26/09/2024 23:41

@Jigglytuff26 reading your comments I’m wondering if you feel a need to reconnect with him to prove something. Either that you’ve made it without him, that he was wrong not to leave his wife before or perhaps that you can be the one to save or ‘fix’ him now. You were profoundly impacted by this relationship and it’s like you want to know it impacted him too, to make your pain worthwhile or that it meant something more. Unfortunately it doesn’t sound like it did and doubt he has changed.

Whatever it is it’s not going to work out well. He’s a compulsive cheater, therefore a liar, you never knew the real him no matter how much you think you did. Your connection was not special to him and in many ways was just a fantasy. You are not the vulnerable person you were when you were with him, you have moved on and created your own life, don’t let him take that from you.

You know logically that he is not good for you, so focus on that. Be logical and in time perhaps you can work out why you still feel the emotional pull towards him but you don’t have to give in to it. It likely is a type of trauma bond, especially as it sounds like he was a life line for you at the time. Also if you’ve cut off everyone else from your past he may feel like the safest option to go back to if you’re craving a connection that has history to it. He is familiar, knows and understands you, has seen you at your lowest. It’s not real, you don’t need him and he will not give you closure, just more heartache and confusion.

Moonshine5 · 26/09/2024 23:46

It wasn't mutual because he stayed with his DW

Ger1atricMillennial · 26/09/2024 23:46

Reading all your replies OP- I can see you are really conflicted.

FWIW I don't think you owe this man any more of your time. He has shown you what he is by having multiple affairs, good at compartmentalising and willing to drop you even though he had mad feelings for you. In short, he is a selfish coward, and you deserve better.

I wasted a lot of time on a man like this in my 20s. I thought it was "true" love but really, he simply couldn't satisfy himself and so bounced around between a few of us playing us off against each other. It was exciting, it felt like I was in a romantic drama but in reality I was being toyed with for someone else's entertainment.

Go travelling and get some physical distance for a few months. Enjoy your life on your own for a bit. You have been through the ringer and have lost perspective of the bigger world out there.

You have plenty of time XXX

Namechangeforcheese · 26/09/2024 23:50

Let me give you a cautionary tale based on my sister.

She 'resisted' the MM for ages, then had the affair. When his wife found out she chucked him out and he moved in with my sister and her children. After a couple of months he left my sister (2 days before Christmas) and returned to his wife. My sister was devastated.

A year later his wife chucked him out and started divorce proceedings. My sister was dumb enough to take him back. At the time I would have given them 6 months but in the meantime my sister has inherited a pretty big share of our deceased fathers estate so I think the cheating bastard will stick around until he can leach some of that from her. She is actually planning on spending her inheritance on a house that will be in joint names with him despite the fact he has nothing but debt to contribute.

If my dad had been buried not cremated he would be spinning in his grave at my sister's stupidity - Don't be as stupid as her!

ImaBuilder · 26/09/2024 23:53

Gather the strength you’ve built up in the last 3.5 years and run for the hills. Block, delete, stop.

Avatartar · 26/09/2024 23:53

OP”It’s not so much thinking I am special I just find it hard to stomach that he caused so much destruction and pain and hasn’t learned anything from it. It’s not human.”
why are you trying to analyse him- you are going to destroy yourself.
NO
bad news
you ended up in hospital
head all over the place
you know he’s a twat
just stop it

Mirabai · 26/09/2024 23:58

You know the Carrie Underwood song?

“Next time he cheats it won’t be on me”.

Stick it on your wall.

takeabreaker · 26/09/2024 23:58

If they will do it with you, they will do it to you.

Zoomo · 27/09/2024 00:02

'Aspects of his marriage seemed abusive to me and very similar to what I went through, but I’m aware I don’t know the whole picture. This is what I’ve seen - not what he told me. '

And this isn't a huge red flag to you??

Do t go there, save yourself from another relationship like the awful one you left.

AW24 · 27/09/2024 00:03

Something has happened for him to leave. Either she cheated on him and kicked him out, or she caught him again & kicked him out.
Either way he plans on using you.

ZeppelinTits · 27/09/2024 00:03

"Aspects of his marriage seemed abusive to me and very similar to what I went through, but I’m aware I don’t know the whole picture. This is what I’ve seen - not what he told me"

"I’ve done so much work on myself to make sure I am never in a similar situation with a man again. My whole life has changed. I have sacrificed so much and had to face the abuse I suffered not just from my ex but from my childhood"

Really spend some time looking at those two statements of yours and start to see the massive cognitive dissonance there. It DOES sound like a trauma bond, in fact that sounds exactly like one.
You met him at a vulnerable time
He behaved in a way that was abhorrent morally to you but you turned a blind eye
He said he loved you then dropped you completely, causing you massive distress to the extent you were hospitalised twice.

What part of this doesn't seem like it would create a trauma bond? And why do you think they don't last over time? They can persist over decades, a lifetime. It's a dangerous and painful bond that is hard to kick, that feels like a drug habit. You saying you think of him daily despite it being years corroborates this.

You sound like you're still in his thrall, and have put him on a pedestal - but you don't really know him. You only know what he wanted you to know. There is a very real danger you will go back to him, and be terribly hurt once more. It would be madness to give up the gains you have made, but trauma bonds are deep, and the pull may be greater than your desire to remain sane and happy.
If you're not in therapy, I hope you can start and explore this there so you won't be emotionally endangered by him once again. Best of luck.

oneeggisunoeuf · 27/09/2024 00:05

I have an ex like this - he wasn't a married man but he was a cheat, and every time he gets divorced or a girlfriend kicks him out he tries to contact me, despite being blocked. Four times now. Every time, I've told him to fuck off, though the first time I was really tempted to meet up with him.
Men like this are incapable of love, I think. They are incapable of fidelity, and lack some fundamental element of humanity.
It's plain as day that you're going to see him. Get some self respect and kick him into touch.