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3.5 years later and he’s leaving his wife…

525 replies

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 19:51

A few years ago I had an affair with a MM. I was single, met him at a vulnerable time having escaped an abusive relationship. He supported me financially and helped me rebuild my life, and at the time I selfishly was focused on trying to survive and that’s it really. I lost everything leaving my ex and was starting from scratch. It was supposed to be an arrangement that worked for us both mutually.

We totally fell for each other. It was totally unplanned and unexpected and I was blindsided by it. I guess his wife noticed a change in him, and after nearly a year she found out. Part of me was relieved because I was finding it hard and obviously did not feel good about what I was doing. But it devastated my life. He tossed me aside like I was nothing. Said he had to stay for his kids. I was so badly affected I was hospitalised twice with severe anxiety. I had felt so deeply that he loved me so it was completely horrific. He still contacted me without her knowing from time to time despite trying to ‘reconcile’ with his wife. Mostly to say he was powerless in the situation and she was threatening to take the kids. I wasn’t the only woman he’d cheated with. He’d been doing it for years but had never been found out. He said he was very good at ‘compartmentalising’ until then, apparently.

Anyway. He stopped contacting me but continued stalking me online for over a year. I eventually confronted him. He admitted he loved me. Apologised for doing it and thought I hadn’t realised. Said he regretted marrying her. It was only for the kids. I said I had to block him and he didn’t want me to but understood. I did so but only on SM, not his phone.

So life carried on, I had been rebuilding my life and retrained in a whole new career. Rebuilt my finances after being financially abused by my ex. It’s been hell and the hardest thing I’ve ever done, but I’m finally in a good place. New home, new job. Lovely housemates. I objectively know he’s been a shit. But there was not a day that went by I didn’t think of him. The whole thing was totally incongruous to who he was as a person, or thought he was, but yet he still did it. I have never been able to get my head around it.

So anyway. Over three years later and he has gotten in touch, and said they are separating. He wants to meet and I have no idea what to do. On one hand, he nearly destroyed me by doing what he did. I know objectively he is completely flawed as a person. On the other hand I have never felt for anyone the way I felt about him and it felt mutual. Aspects of his marriage seemed abusive to me and very similar to what I went through, but I’m aware I don’t know the whole picture. This is what I’ve seen - not what he told me.

I’m so torn as to whether to leave it alone or meet up and hear him out. I don’t want to compromise what I’ve built but also don’t want to regret it.

I’ve done so much work on myself to make sure I am never in a similar situation with a man again. My whole life has changed. I have sacrificed so much and had to face the abuse I suffered not just from my ex but from my childhood. I am not even the same person and usually this would mean he means nothing to me because I’ve evolved beyond it, but part of me still loves him. It’s not limerance or a trauma bond, it’s been years now, but still something I have never been able to shake despite seeing him for who he is and what he’s done.

Would appreciate thoughts. Is he just an inherently bad person? I know what I did was wrong but I did everything I could to better myself and make sure I wasn’t in that situation again. I don’t know if he’s done the same.

OP posts:
YellowAsteroid · 26/09/2024 22:10

Tell him to fuck off.

Or better still, ignore ignore ignore.

FrostFlowers2025 · 26/09/2024 22:12

Wanted to add:

Men like him remind me of Joe Exotic from Tiger King. He used to pick up drug addicted from a busstop and promised them a place to stay in exchange for working for peanuts and left-over meat from the butchers. He also kept them supplied with drugs.

The people he targetted had nowhere to go and felt grateful, even though that gratitute was misplaced. But if you are struggling it's really hard to see that.

Happii · 26/09/2024 22:16

He exploited you when you were vulnerable (you're culpable as well but still, deplorable of him) and then tossed you aside. Please have some self respect and block him, honestly your self esteem must be through the floor to be contemplating meeting up with him.

SerafinasGoose · 26/09/2024 22:16

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 20:31

I guess you’ve never been in a bad place in your life and made bad choices, ever.

This perhaps understandably defensive post was addressed to someone else, but I'll answer regardless.

Oh, yes. I've fucked up. I doubt that it's possible to exist on this planet for more than a few years without doing so. I've fucked up spectacularly in no such trivial a sense as mere sex - and trivial is how men like this view sex: always.

The difference in my own and other people's cases is that, having fucked up, they don't continue questioning the wisdom of keeping on fucking up. That's what I don't compute here. Making a mistake and learning by it is one thing, but haven't you heard of the definition of madness?

You want to do the same thing and expect a different result. You'd do better remembering another wise old cliche: that the measure of someone's likely behaviour in the future is their behaviour in the past. This is the only yardstick you have to measure him by.

It seems his wife has just discovered as much. If you're even considering meeting this sexually incontinent man, who must be a walking petri-dish of sexually-transmitted bacteria by now, then you're making your own value-judgement (and accepting his) as to what you perceive is your worth.

Are you right, OP? Or do you believe that on some level you and he deserve each other?

I don't think you do.

Noseybookworm · 26/09/2024 22:17

You'd be very foolish to get involved with this man again. You know he's a liar and a cheat and he was quite happy to drop you and leave you devastated to save his own skin. You've worked so hard to get your life back on track. Please don't let him destroy it again 🙏

northernlight20 · 26/09/2024 22:28

If he cheated on his wife repeatedly, what makes you think you are special enough for him to stay faithful?

ArabellaScott · 26/09/2024 22:29

Well done for blocking him, OP. Be kind to yourself. This has been unsettling and stirred things up - a chance to gently revisit areas that still need healing, perhaps? Flowers

sunflowersngunpowdr · 26/09/2024 22:33

Defo meet with him. You sound like you deserve each other.

MorningHood · 26/09/2024 22:34

You were not the only affair he’s had. So it wasn’t special - it just felt that way to you because you were so vulnerable…

You’ve been hospitalised due to the fallout from relations with this man.. I’d argue that there is a trauma bond of sorts.

He sounds toxic and comes with children and is 10y older. You really want to get involved with that mess?? Honestly, you’ve talked about all the good work you’ve done on yourself, not least due to the pain this man caused you..! Why would you walk right back into the foxes den?

He is so obviously a red flag.

Whatthefluck89 · 26/09/2024 22:35

Are you needy? Insecure? Desperate for validation? Can't see why else you'd be entertaining a cheat

MaidOfAle · 26/09/2024 22:38
Dumpster Fire GIF by MOODMAN

The man who marries his mistress creates a vacancy for a new mistress. In other words, if he will cheat with you, he will cheat on you.

Walk away from this bin fire of a man.

Bee43 · 26/09/2024 22:47

Unfortunately men like him hone in on women in bad situations,

so it’s not OP’s fault at all that she decided to have it away with a married man with children repeatedly? Can’t believe the amount of folk on here sticking up for her ha ha ha

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 22:47

MorningHood · 26/09/2024 22:34

You were not the only affair he’s had. So it wasn’t special - it just felt that way to you because you were so vulnerable…

You’ve been hospitalised due to the fallout from relations with this man.. I’d argue that there is a trauma bond of sorts.

He sounds toxic and comes with children and is 10y older. You really want to get involved with that mess?? Honestly, you’ve talked about all the good work you’ve done on yourself, not least due to the pain this man caused you..! Why would you walk right back into the foxes den?

He is so obviously a red flag.

I know, just don’t know why it’s so hard to come to terms with.

OP posts:
Twofurrycats · 26/09/2024 22:56

You have received a lot of sound advice on this thread. My short version of it : Do not step in the same shit twice.

BoelBedmunds · 26/09/2024 22:57

I’m glad you’ve blocked him.

Good luck for the future @Jigglytuff26

PyongyangKipperbang · 26/09/2024 22:58

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 22:47

I know, just don’t know why it’s so hard to come to terms with.

Because he ended it.

When you cut off your toxic abusers, your ex, your family etc, you were the one in control. When he dropped you like a hot brick because his wife found out, you weren't in control. You thought that you and he were in it together and then he made it very clear that you werent. So it threw you straight back to "Why dont mummy and daddy love me" mentality. The idea of saying no to him is anathema because it might mean he doesnt like you anymore, you have been programmed since birth to try and make horrible people love you. Sorry to be blunt and harsh but thats what it is. Ask me how I know......

So blocking him is the bes tthing you could have done because this time your ARE in control and you are choosing to say "Thanks but no thanks".

Get the therapy, I say this kindly, you need it. You are carrying so much baggage that you need help to deal with it. Some things we cant do alone. It sounds like you have spent many years fighting and now you can finally breathe and be at peace, he rears his head and throws you like this because chaos is familiar, its not scary to you like it is to most people. Dealing with shocks like this needs to be the next step in your recovery.

Remagirl · 26/09/2024 23:01

That saying about leopards never changing their spots is true. Run for the hills. Or better still take some power back and tell him your happily involved with someone else and not to contact you again x

Toooldtopretend · 26/09/2024 23:06

God no. I get that you are flattered and tempted but do not ever go there. You know what kind of person he is and there is no way in this world that he will not cheat and lie. Do not think you are different and do not undo all your good work.

GreatMistakes · 26/09/2024 23:08

Fucking hell, wake up. You've worked hard to make a life for yourself and your about throw your self esteem away for a piece of sit that used you and dropped you and has finally been kicked out by his wife after he has either cheated again or spent 3 years trying to forgive him only to realise he hasn't actually done any work to repair their relationship.

You are a convenience. A convenience whose buttons he knows ow to press.

This is your final chance to say no and walk away woth your head held high and your self respect.

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 23:09

Toooldtopretend · 26/09/2024 23:06

God no. I get that you are flattered and tempted but do not ever go there. You know what kind of person he is and there is no way in this world that he will not cheat and lie. Do not think you are different and do not undo all your good work.

It’s not so much thinking I am special I just find it hard to stomach that he caused so much destruction and pain and hasn’t learned anything from it. It’s not human.

OP posts:
Alittlebitwary · 26/09/2024 23:09

OP, I can relate to how to feel with the head over heart. I had a bad relationship a few years ago. He was the love of my life. I have never felt that way about anybody before, or since - we fell in love very quickly and deeply. We both felt it.

He was, unfortunately a compulsive liar and a cheat. We broke up.

But I can honestly say, despite the fact I am very happily married with children now, that I have still never felt the same way about anyone else since then - and I don't know why. Maybe there was just a certain connection, a certain vibe. I don't know. Just something about him.

I do occasionally wonder what he's up to now, and I think it's because despite the bad things there were some amazing times we had that I'll never forget.

I never doubted my decision to leave him, however I did sometimes wonder if it meant maybe I'm not with "the one" now, because it doesn't feel the same? But I remind myself that a good, loving person shows that by treating you with respect. By being there for you. By supporting you, being selfless, being kind to you and loving you despite all your flaws. By remaining faithful, and taking responsibility.

This is not as interesting as the love I had with my ex, but it's 100% more real, and I think it's ok to mourn your past feelings but still know the person wasn't (and still isn't) right for you.

Hope this helps xxx

GreatMistakes · 26/09/2024 23:11

Jigglytuff26 · 26/09/2024 20:22

She found out about me and he then confessed all of them and she stayed regardless.

he is not in need of a ‘warm bed’ or ‘somewhere to live’. I haven’t asked who split up with who. I haven’t even replied yet.

Yes he is. He is a man for whom one woman isn't enough so being alone will be intolerable for his ego.

I suspect he knows women love him and want to cook and clean for him and make him feel important. Women are props to his ego. So yes, he does need a warm bed, but because he is emotionally, not financially, poor.

Catpuss66 · 26/09/2024 23:11

The question you have to ask yourself is my do the men in my life treat me so badly? ……. The answer is you allow them too.
how easily do you think you would recover if he treats you badly again? Run.

readysteadynono · 26/09/2024 23:14

This is never going to end well OP. There will be damage, probably awful damage and you will be the one to feel it.

This is a make or break your new life sort of moment. Block. Him. Now.

PennyApril54 · 26/09/2024 23:17

Aquamarine1029 · 26/09/2024 19:58

For fuck's sake, don't be your own worst enemy.

Block this idiot and never look back.

This! Run, run as far away from this guy as you possibly can and don't look back. Have a nice new relationship with someone else, someone who respects you, is a decent human, and who hasn't almost killed you with stress twice. Save yourself. There's so much more out there for you. Take care of yourself.