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Husband's pornography use

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Circeandthepigs · 26/09/2024 14:41

I have strong objections regarding pornography ( abuse, harm, exploitation of women and girls) and when 5 years ago I discovered my husband used porn secretly I was completely devastated & gave him an ultimatum- he stop or I divorce him. He said he hardly used it and that it was no problem stopping. I told him my feelings about porn & was upfront that i couldn't live with a man who used it.
Ive checked in about it over the years but he's always assured me he doesn't use it anymore and he is very plausible.
Recently we went on an extended holiday together. He took his tablet for 'Google Maps' etc. Most days he opted to stay behind at our rental for a few hours by himself to 'read and chill in the garden'.
At first I didn't mind as I enjoyed time to myself on the beach etc and he'd join me later. However, I started to get a feeling, an instinct, call it intuition. I started to question what he was doing and asked if he was using the tablet for porn while I was out of the way. He was indignant and swore he never used it, in fact he hadn't even opened the tablet on the holiday.
I left it to the last day to confront him properly as I didn't want a big scene while we were away together with no way of escape!
I made him put on the tablet. I found that he had been using pornography while i was by myself on the beach. He was extremely upset and bashful but still lying. At first he said it was briefly once during the holiday, then twice ( although data evidence indicated otherwise) and that he'd not used porn since our conversation/ my ultimatum 5 years ago. Over the last few days, with my continued questioning, he's admitted he started using pornography again years ago.
He says it is a compulsion for the illicit.
I think it's the tip of the iceberg and my trust is now detonated.
I can't bear the thought that he was doing this on our holiday and gaslighting me. I can feel only contempt for him.
He says that he loves me and it would be foolish of me to leave a man who adores me.
Well I don't feel adored.
We all have free will..he can do as he chooses, but i have the right to not live with a man who chooses to use pornography. We also hardly ever have sex, although I'm attractive and keep in really good shape etc. He has never really wanted to address the lack of sex between us, it has always been me getting upset and bringing up the subject.
I feel done and finished. Unfortunately I can't move out for 12 months because my son has a year left at university and is living at home. So now I have to live alongside this man ( separate bedrooms anyway because he snores) in a way that doesn't affect my son ( I'm not going to tell my son of my plans because stability at uni is too important) or my mental health.
Has anyone in MN had to live with a husband while employing a ' grey rock' technique and come out of it successfully with their sanity intact?
Thanks you for reading to the end.

OP posts:
samanthablues · 02/10/2024 18:10

CassieMaddox · 02/10/2024 12:12

Great post.

Why are we all being gaslit into "everyone watches porn" when the conversation is about compulsive porn watching that is damaging relationships?

Personally I don’t have a problem with porn but if my husbands golf hobby stopped him from having sex with me I would make him choose: it’s me or the golf. If I had an ethical issue with golf it would be much much worse and I would feel a bit devastated.

IsThePopeCatholic · 02/10/2024 18:16

Catseyes88 · 26/09/2024 17:10

Another Porn thread. Yay.

Nearly all men watch porn. It does not mean they are addicted.

it does not mean they don’t find you attractive.

it does not mean they want to cheat on you.

they are not replacing you with porn. ( usually)

if a man says he will stop watching porn because his OH wants him to, he will still watch porn.

if you want a relationship where a man never watches porn, good luck. The chances are very small.

Oh please. Stop being an apologist for men’s misogyny. No woman should tolerate this.

isItgreenerontheotherside · 02/10/2024 18:50

Circeandthepigs · 26/09/2024 17:29

The scummy attitude toward women kills me.
When I first discovered his secret pornography use 5 years ago he began his defensive by trying to brazen it out..he said, I quote, 'I'm a normal red blooded man, i like seeing women without their clothes on'.
He later apologised for it. But it was said.
I think the death knell started right there, regarding the marriage..

Just out of curiosity, how active is your sex life? Do you ever use it as a means of control? I've heard that many men tend to avoid porn if they're regularly sexually active. Additionally, does he have any needs or fantasies that you're not meeting, or is he struggling to bring them up with you?

Dumbo12 · 02/10/2024 19:17

isItgreenerontheotherside · 02/10/2024 18:50

Just out of curiosity, how active is your sex life? Do you ever use it as a means of control? I've heard that many men tend to avoid porn if they're regularly sexually active. Additionally, does he have any needs or fantasies that you're not meeting, or is he struggling to bring them up with you?

Yet again blaming a woman for a man's bad behaviour! A mutually beneficial sexual relationship does not require one participant to "service" the other, it is also quite possible that a porn addled person (usually a man) is wanting his partner to participate in an act, which is not something that she feels comfortable with. Those acts may include, hitting, spitting, choking, urinating or defecating as the "vanilla " end of the spectrum.

Tillybud81 · 02/10/2024 19:19

isItgreenerontheotherside · 02/10/2024 18:50

Just out of curiosity, how active is your sex life? Do you ever use it as a means of control? I've heard that many men tend to avoid porn if they're regularly sexually active. Additionally, does he have any needs or fantasies that you're not meeting, or is he struggling to bring them up with you?

What? Does he have any needs or fantasies meeting, like his wife being a teenager and gagging for it up the jacksie or something?

Jeezus WTF is going on in this thread?

undripfeedswede · 02/10/2024 19:21

"Just out of curiosity, how active is your sex life? Do you ever use it as a means of control? I've heard that many men tend to avoid porn if they're regularly sexually active. Additionally, does he have any needs or fantasies that you're not meeting, or is he struggling to bring them up with you?"

Twat

isItgreenerontheotherside · 02/10/2024 19:32

Tillybud81 · 02/10/2024 19:19

What? Does he have any needs or fantasies meeting, like his wife being a teenager and gagging for it up the jacksie or something?

Jeezus WTF is going on in this thread?

Anal is quite normal in many healthy sexual relationships.
I’m not saying she’s gagging for it.
but maybe he’s bored.

Tillybud81 · 02/10/2024 19:36

isItgreenerontheotherside · 02/10/2024 19:32

Anal is quite normal in many healthy sexual relationships.
I’m not saying she’s gagging for it.
but maybe he’s bored.

And yet another that has had the very point of this thread and points of the OP go sailing way above their heads....

If you stopped being a porn addict apologist, pick me for just a second and read it you might learn something

SmileEachDay · 02/10/2024 19:55

People in the films want to be in then not coerced

This is untrue. There’s no way of knowing the level of coercion or damage. Getting off on something where there is even a chance those involved are either not fully consenting or are likely to be hurt is sick.

AimieDaisy · 02/10/2024 19:55

Some people on this thread are as thick as mince and won’t even read the OP’s post because they’re more concerned with defending porn. How sad and predictable…

And bunny boiler. What a misogynistic moron.

OP, the majority of us understand you and are supportive of your decision. Best wishes

Crikeyalmighty · 02/10/2024 20:01

When anyone mentions 'needs' they usually mean 'wants' -

CassieMaddox · 02/10/2024 20:13

I feel like some posters need to watch "hot girls wanted" on Netflix. Of course, it might spoil their fun.

Tillybud81 · 02/10/2024 21:01

CassieMaddox · 02/10/2024 20:13

I feel like some posters need to watch "hot girls wanted" on Netflix. Of course, it might spoil their fun.

Aye it might change their perception of "normal" then

XChrome · 03/10/2024 01:28

isItgreenerontheotherside · 02/10/2024 18:50

Just out of curiosity, how active is your sex life? Do you ever use it as a means of control? I've heard that many men tend to avoid porn if they're regularly sexually active. Additionally, does he have any needs or fantasies that you're not meeting, or is he struggling to bring them up with you?

Did you not even read the OP at all? It isn't active. It's a dead bedroom
because he prefers porn.

What you have heard is bullshit. Sex doesn't stop men from using porn. They reality is that they often avoid sex when they are problematic porn users.
OP is not obligated to fulfill her husband's sick fantasies about teenage girls. She does not want to wear pigtails and a school uniform to try to turn him on. Nobody should ever feel obligated to do things they find repulsive and immoral.
Nice try at blaming women for men using porn, but no sale.

XChrome · 03/10/2024 01:34

isItgreenerontheotherside · 02/10/2024 19:32

Anal is quite normal in many healthy sexual relationships.
I’m not saying she’s gagging for it.
but maybe he’s bored.

In your opinion, which is not an informed one. Regardless, nobody should feel she has to do it because a man is "bored." Before the era of men being warped by internet porn, they rarely asked for anal. Now they demand it and many women feel compelled to go along with it, thinking they will be left or cheated on if they don't do it. This is coercive.

XChrome · 03/10/2024 01:38

MoonbeamsGlittering · 02/10/2024 10:15

Where did all of these new porn enthusiasts come from overnight? It's OK if some of you like porn but it's also totally OK for the OP not to want to be with a porn watcher. Coming here to tell the OP that how she feels is wrong seems totally unhelpful.

They inevitably show up in any thread having to do with porn. They're trying to rationalize their own (or a partner's) weak character, so they get offended when anybody points out how unethical porn is.

Rain11 · 03/10/2024 02:56

Men who claim to have an "addiction " or a "need" to watch porn, especially if they do it regularly, are weak and twisted individuals.

Any porn apologist here lacks vision. Porn is like cancer, and the industry is absolutely revolting.

OP, plan your way out of your marriage. He sounds like a creep, and he is also a liar. You can't put your trust on liars. Leaving him isn't foolish, trusting him after what he's done is.

Good luck.

namechanged221 · 03/10/2024 07:27

I've had this debate on whether it's really an addiction.

Compulsion might be a better term?

CassieMaddox · 03/10/2024 08:38

namechanged221 · 03/10/2024 07:27

I've had this debate on whether it's really an addiction.

Compulsion might be a better term?

This was a great show discussing it.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06qhs5t/episodes/downloads

You can hear about the men "addicted to sex" and decide for yourself what kind of person they are.

They do also have a woman "for balance" and the contrast is also interesting.

BBC Radio 4 - Addicted to Sex - Downloads

Podcast downloads for Addicted to Sex

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p06qhs5t/episodes/downloads

Circeandthepigs · 03/10/2024 09:52

I'm not interested in your thoughts tbh.

OP posts:
namechanged221 · 04/10/2024 08:47

Search

'Porn sick limp dick' on Reddit

Lots of great posts deriding these porn-addled losers. Cheered me up no end.

Circeandthepigs · 04/10/2024 12:52

"Not saying she's gagging for it.."
Is the 'she' referring to me?
How charming 🙄

OP posts:
InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 04/10/2024 13:17

“Porn sick limp dick” is spot on. They are delusional to come on to threads defending porn when this is the reality.

OhShitImNearly40 · 04/10/2024 13:41

OP, you set a boundary, he agreed to honour it then broke it. I'm not surprised you're angry. It's up to you what you do now, it's obviously something you feel very strongly about.

As for the general discussion over porn....I think most men use porn whether in or out of a relationship. When I've been in relationships where sex has been withheld (for whatever reason) I've used it more to get off on. When I've been in a relationship where the sex was amazing and there was loads of it I've watched a lot less or not at all. Either way, porn is not actual sex and there's a huge difference between being intimate with a real person and watching it on a screen.

OP, you dislike porn for moral reasons. Fair enough, I get that. The only thing I'd say is that I was once in a relationship where any thoughts of being 'sexy' (for want of a better way of saying it!) or any 'sexyness' (eww) between us was killed off. I saw that sexyness in porn and it gave me something my partner couldn't.

samanthablues · 04/10/2024 14:48

Circeandthepigs · 03/10/2024 09:52

I'm not interested in your thoughts tbh.

Why do you post a very public thread if you’re not interested in people’s thoughts?

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