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Husband's pornography use

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Circeandthepigs · 26/09/2024 14:41

I have strong objections regarding pornography ( abuse, harm, exploitation of women and girls) and when 5 years ago I discovered my husband used porn secretly I was completely devastated & gave him an ultimatum- he stop or I divorce him. He said he hardly used it and that it was no problem stopping. I told him my feelings about porn & was upfront that i couldn't live with a man who used it.
Ive checked in about it over the years but he's always assured me he doesn't use it anymore and he is very plausible.
Recently we went on an extended holiday together. He took his tablet for 'Google Maps' etc. Most days he opted to stay behind at our rental for a few hours by himself to 'read and chill in the garden'.
At first I didn't mind as I enjoyed time to myself on the beach etc and he'd join me later. However, I started to get a feeling, an instinct, call it intuition. I started to question what he was doing and asked if he was using the tablet for porn while I was out of the way. He was indignant and swore he never used it, in fact he hadn't even opened the tablet on the holiday.
I left it to the last day to confront him properly as I didn't want a big scene while we were away together with no way of escape!
I made him put on the tablet. I found that he had been using pornography while i was by myself on the beach. He was extremely upset and bashful but still lying. At first he said it was briefly once during the holiday, then twice ( although data evidence indicated otherwise) and that he'd not used porn since our conversation/ my ultimatum 5 years ago. Over the last few days, with my continued questioning, he's admitted he started using pornography again years ago.
He says it is a compulsion for the illicit.
I think it's the tip of the iceberg and my trust is now detonated.
I can't bear the thought that he was doing this on our holiday and gaslighting me. I can feel only contempt for him.
He says that he loves me and it would be foolish of me to leave a man who adores me.
Well I don't feel adored.
We all have free will..he can do as he chooses, but i have the right to not live with a man who chooses to use pornography. We also hardly ever have sex, although I'm attractive and keep in really good shape etc. He has never really wanted to address the lack of sex between us, it has always been me getting upset and bringing up the subject.
I feel done and finished. Unfortunately I can't move out for 12 months because my son has a year left at university and is living at home. So now I have to live alongside this man ( separate bedrooms anyway because he snores) in a way that doesn't affect my son ( I'm not going to tell my son of my plans because stability at uni is too important) or my mental health.
Has anyone in MN had to live with a husband while employing a ' grey rock' technique and come out of it successfully with their sanity intact?
Thanks you for reading to the end.

OP posts:
CassieMaddox · 01/10/2024 20:41

LondonFox · 01/10/2024 20:13

It is not "prefering porn to OP".
He obviously tried to keep both.

Watching porn and getting off is fun.

I fully understand why someone does not want to get rid of harmless free fun just because their partner are getting all dramatic over it.
Oh noooo, watching adults having sex... lord help us all!

Sometimes I really wonder if people read the OP.

He doesn't want sex with her. He wants to watch porn instead. This is a him problem and she shouldn't have to put up with it.

Mumoftallteenageboys · 01/10/2024 20:52

Firstly, I'm sorry that your husbands dabbling has affected you so deeply and obviously made you feel sad and rejected 😢. I can relate to the feelings but for very different reasons. However...... why didn't you pop back to your apartment all hot, tanned and covered in shiny oils and jump on board for a naughty quicky?!? Then you both would feel wanted, satisfied and happy?
Unless you discussed this prior to marriage as an absolute no no then I think you might be missing out on the opportunity of some holiday time with your hubby.
Please don't feel that I'm having a dig at you lovely.....but remember that men are generally animalistic creatures.....sex. food. work. sleep 😆 then all else fits in with that structure! xx
Good luck with your future wherever it takes you 😘

LondonFox · 01/10/2024 20:56

DreamHolidays · 01/10/2024 20:30

Hmm… obviously you’re totally lacking imagination that you cannot get your fun wo images.

Personally, knowing that a lot of/most of those videos are rape makes me sick.
Knowing that PornHub had to stop searches on ‘sex whilst she sleeps’ and ‘sex whilst drugged’ after the media started to talk about the trial with G Pelicot tells me all there is to know about men and their inability to see women as human beings.
But yes it’s much easier to think it’s women bring dramatic over a bit if harmless fun….

Total lack of empathy and respect is more like it.

Edited

They are porn actors.
There is plenty of mainstream movies that include rape.
Do you seriously believe women were really raped?
Some people enjoy watching "getting fucked while sleeping porn",some porn stars do these movies.
It's nit a hard concept.

LondonFox · 01/10/2024 20:57

CassieMaddox · 01/10/2024 20:41

Sometimes I really wonder if people read the OP.

He doesn't want sex with her. He wants to watch porn instead. This is a him problem and she shouldn't have to put up with it.

Maybe OP should watch some porn with her partner and learn what turns him on 😏

AimieDaisy · 01/10/2024 20:58

Mumoftallteenageboys · 01/10/2024 20:52

Firstly, I'm sorry that your husbands dabbling has affected you so deeply and obviously made you feel sad and rejected 😢. I can relate to the feelings but for very different reasons. However...... why didn't you pop back to your apartment all hot, tanned and covered in shiny oils and jump on board for a naughty quicky?!? Then you both would feel wanted, satisfied and happy?
Unless you discussed this prior to marriage as an absolute no no then I think you might be missing out on the opportunity of some holiday time with your hubby.
Please don't feel that I'm having a dig at you lovely.....but remember that men are generally animalistic creatures.....sex. food. work. sleep 😆 then all else fits in with that structure! xx
Good luck with your future wherever it takes you 😘

What part of “he won’t have sex with me because he has a low libido so he watches porn instead” did you not comprehend??? Did you even bother to read any of OPs updates?? Or did you just want to shift blame immediately onto OP because porn has become so normalised that anyone who doesn’t want it in their lives must be insecure or jealous, don’t must be a her problem, right?

Honestly, so many fucking morons on here so ready to defend porn that they overlook the real details like his constant lying, him overstepping her boundaries, his broken promises, his refusal to sleep with her… she gave him the chance to be single and watch porn. He decided to stay married and not use porn. Except he didn’t. Greedy entitled man wanted both.

If you replace porn with gambling, alcohol, cocaine or whatever would you porn apologists still be telling OP the problem is hers and not his?

And so many idiots saying “good luck finding a man who doesn’t watch porn” like we fucking care. Newsflash… we….don’t….need….men.

BirthdayRainbow · 01/10/2024 21:01

LondonFox · 01/10/2024 20:57

Maybe OP should watch some porn with her partner and learn what turns him on 😏

Is that really what you think? Are you incapable of understanding @Circeandthepigs pain, upset and anger? Posting an immature emoji just to add to your nonsense.

AimieDaisy · 01/10/2024 21:05

LondonFox · 01/10/2024 20:56

They are porn actors.
There is plenty of mainstream movies that include rape.
Do you seriously believe women were really raped?
Some people enjoy watching "getting fucked while sleeping porn",some porn stars do these movies.
It's nit a hard concept.

Educate yourself.

Ever wonder why so many female porn stars suicide themselves so young?

Ever watched an interview with a female adult star who has left the industry and seen how broken she is? How she was mistreated in the industry that she couldn’t leave because some “director” had stolen her passport? Ever been a nurse in a hospital seeing first hand the injuries these women have to endure to make these films?

Unlikely. You just watch the porn and make excuses for it because your pleasure or men’s pleasure trumps the emotional, psychological and physical wellbeing of an actual human being.

Not to mention how porn has affected young men and their views on sex. Ever seen a 16 year old girl who has been choked almost to death that she had a heart attack during losing her virginity? Because he thought it was normal, like in porn.

Porn, the number one reason for ED.

Porn is way more damaging than you realise. To women and to men. If OP doesn’t want it in her life then she’s fully entitled to not have it in her life. Stop mocking her because she has decent standards and knows clearly way more than you do about an industry that is damaging society.

Crikeyalmighty · 01/10/2024 21:16

@LondonFox maybe the fact he enjoys watching this fake sleazy crap in his 60s has totally turned her off as an older woman? Let's be frank plenty of us put up with this shizzle with younger guys because we want a stable childhood for kids and yes often like a decent lifestyle and may actually like the bloke in many ways- - but to be frank I doubt very much that the OP is that bothered that her H seems disinterested with her- because in all honesty I'm sure she is probably now pretty disinterested sexually in him- I think the fact he isn't that interested in sex with her isa bit of a red herring - so last thing she would be interested in is knowing what turns him on at the age he is.

Cellardoor93 · 01/10/2024 21:46

I'm embarrassed to say I've been here and forgiven him. I truly believe he has changed but I have told him the minute I find out he's watching porn again I'm gonna upload all my assets online for every man and his dog to see, see how it feels when the shoes on the other foot 😂😭 hope you're OK,op. This thread is close to home

Bored86 · 01/10/2024 21:49

Catseyes88 · 26/09/2024 17:10

Another Porn thread. Yay.

Nearly all men watch porn. It does not mean they are addicted.

it does not mean they don’t find you attractive.

it does not mean they want to cheat on you.

they are not replacing you with porn. ( usually)

if a man says he will stop watching porn because his OH wants him to, he will still watch porn.

if you want a relationship where a man never watches porn, good luck. The chances are very small.

This. Get over it. Move on.

CassieMaddox · 01/10/2024 21:57

BirthdayRainbow · 01/10/2024 21:01

Is that really what you think? Are you incapable of understanding @Circeandthepigs pain, upset and anger? Posting an immature emoji just to add to your nonsense.

Anyone who thinks you "learn how to turn someone on" by watching porn has a problem and probably isn't a very satisfactory sex partner.

ladygindiva · 01/10/2024 22:25

AimieDaisy · 01/10/2024 21:05

Educate yourself.

Ever wonder why so many female porn stars suicide themselves so young?

Ever watched an interview with a female adult star who has left the industry and seen how broken she is? How she was mistreated in the industry that she couldn’t leave because some “director” had stolen her passport? Ever been a nurse in a hospital seeing first hand the injuries these women have to endure to make these films?

Unlikely. You just watch the porn and make excuses for it because your pleasure or men’s pleasure trumps the emotional, psychological and physical wellbeing of an actual human being.

Not to mention how porn has affected young men and their views on sex. Ever seen a 16 year old girl who has been choked almost to death that she had a heart attack during losing her virginity? Because he thought it was normal, like in porn.

Porn, the number one reason for ED.

Porn is way more damaging than you realise. To women and to men. If OP doesn’t want it in her life then she’s fully entitled to not have it in her life. Stop mocking her because she has decent standards and knows clearly way more than you do about an industry that is damaging society.

👏 agree with all this

Crikeyalmighty · 01/10/2024 22:31

@Bored86 I'm sure OP will move on- but not quite in the way you might mean

Nanny0gg · 01/10/2024 23:06

LondonFox · 01/10/2024 20:13

It is not "prefering porn to OP".
He obviously tried to keep both.

Watching porn and getting off is fun.

I fully understand why someone does not want to get rid of harmless free fun just because their partner are getting all dramatic over it.
Oh noooo, watching adults having sex... lord help us all!

He doesn't want to sleep with her

How is that 'trying'?

You seem to struggle with comprehension or you haven't read many posts on here

Luvas · 01/10/2024 23:07

From my point of view, it is OK.to watch porn . I am a woman and I watch it sometimes. I see no harm. I understand some people might find it disturbing, but honestly, I would not end a marriage for some porn. Nobody is perfect

Nanny0gg · 01/10/2024 23:08

LondonFox · 01/10/2024 20:57

Maybe OP should watch some porn with her partner and learn what turns him on 😏

Grow up

raydavis · 01/10/2024 23:11

Luvas · 01/10/2024 23:07

From my point of view, it is OK.to watch porn . I am a woman and I watch it sometimes. I see no harm. I understand some people might find it disturbing, but honestly, I would not end a marriage for some porn. Nobody is perfect

In a relationship with a healthy sex life I would agree.

However, if a couple are on holiday together, child free and no stress/responsibility but one person would rather hide in the room wanking to porn, leaving the other person to go to the beach alone it is not a good sign at all, than actually have sex with their partner there is something seriously wrong

Luvas · 01/10/2024 23:13

Yes. I agree, I would be upset if my H would hide and leave me alone to watch porn

XChrome · 02/10/2024 00:50

LondonFox · 01/10/2024 20:13

It is not "prefering porn to OP".
He obviously tried to keep both.

Watching porn and getting off is fun.

I fully understand why someone does not want to get rid of harmless free fun just because their partner are getting all dramatic over it.
Oh noooo, watching adults having sex... lord help us all!

Pornsick much?
Do you think we don't know the kind of abusive filth porn users watch? 88% of porn scenes contain violence and 48% contain verbal abuse.
Problematic porn use also increases domestic violence, both sexual and non-sexual aggression, controlling behavior and attitudes that are more supportive of sexual assault.
This is what the research tells us.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6942232/

Like the OP's husband, you're not being honest. It's not just "adults having sex." If you use porn regularly, it's almost impossible not to have watched physical or verbal abuse.

XChrome · 02/10/2024 00:51

Nanny0gg · 01/10/2024 23:08

Grow up

Typical pornsick male.

XChrome · 02/10/2024 01:10

LondonFox · 01/10/2024 20:56

They are porn actors.
There is plenty of mainstream movies that include rape.
Do you seriously believe women were really raped?
Some people enjoy watching "getting fucked while sleeping porn",some porn stars do these movies.
It's nit a hard concept.

FFS, how depraved. Yes, some of those scenes are real rape and there is also coercion. The evidence is overwhelming.

https://starkraving.medium.com/porn-actresses-keep-getting-raped-1bdb8022cb57

https://exoduscry.com/articles/shocking-confessions/

https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2015/dec/04/how-stoya-took-on-james-deen-and-broke-the-porn-industrys-silence

https://fightthenewdrug.org/popular-porn-star-stories-of-sex-assault/

Rape in mainstream movies is not graphic, not shown for the purpose of getting off and is not portrayed as positive. What a stupid argument.
You might as well argue that since mainstream movies feature murder, snuff films are okay.
It is not healthy to want to watch people assaulted while being "asleep." It's evidence of psychosexual disturbance. In reality they are drugged to make those scenes look realistic, because it's not possible to keep your body so limp for an extended period. It is also not possible to consent while drugged. There is no consent even if they consented beforehand, because each and every sexual act requires active consent at the time of the acts. You are promoting rape and you need to stop. Get some help. You're not well.

XChrome · 02/10/2024 01:16

DreamHolidays · 01/10/2024 20:30

Hmm… obviously you’re totally lacking imagination that you cannot get your fun wo images.

Personally, knowing that a lot of/most of those videos are rape makes me sick.
Knowing that PornHub had to stop searches on ‘sex whilst she sleeps’ and ‘sex whilst drugged’ after the media started to talk about the trial with G Pelicot tells me all there is to know about men and their inability to see women as human beings.
But yes it’s much easier to think it’s women bring dramatic over a bit if harmless fun….

Total lack of empathy and respect is more like it.

Edited

Yes, the it's sociopathic how little empathy pornsick men have. Research shows problematic porn use is associated with antisocial personality disorder.

Nikki8762 · 02/10/2024 04:00

Catseyes88 · 26/09/2024 17:20

I totally understand why you are hurt, and i'm sure its the lying as much as the porn that's the issue for you which is understandable.

However, if it was an ultimatum between you and porn, and you would end the marriage if he said he didn't want to or couldn't stop porn, then of course he would lie and keep it a secret from you if he didn't want the marriage to end.

If he didn't want the marriage to end he should of stopped using porn.

Not only did he use porn, but they were away together on holiday, and he sent her off alone to sit and watch it. That's pretty vile in it's self and I'd of been fuming.

YourDearCat · 02/10/2024 06:44

Be honest with him. Explain your feelings and explain that you are under the same roof for the sake of your son. Take time to plan what you want looking ahead. A year will go in no time. You have been honest with him about your feelings and the strength wasn't there from him to respect that. Good luck. X

EI12 · 02/10/2024 08:03

WalkingaroundJardine · 01/10/2024 20:08

I do believe that nearly all men watch porn. I think it explains why DV has been increasing as well as misogynistic attitudes in general, although those men will blame it on feminism. Even the police has been making this connection with porn however. Also young boys now expect unrealistic types of sex that wasn’t common a while ago, which makes it difficult for their young girlfriends.

I agree with you OP - I’d much rather be single and live with something that is a red line for me. Marriages work best when values and beliefs are held in common.

Edited

People whose partners beat them also say 'I believe all partners are abusers', same goes for 'I believe all men drink like mad', or 'all women are profligate when it comes to their wardrobe'. Believe it or not, there are normal men out there. Not ideal obviously, but to say that all men watch porn....