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Husband's pornography use

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Circeandthepigs · 26/09/2024 14:41

I have strong objections regarding pornography ( abuse, harm, exploitation of women and girls) and when 5 years ago I discovered my husband used porn secretly I was completely devastated & gave him an ultimatum- he stop or I divorce him. He said he hardly used it and that it was no problem stopping. I told him my feelings about porn & was upfront that i couldn't live with a man who used it.
Ive checked in about it over the years but he's always assured me he doesn't use it anymore and he is very plausible.
Recently we went on an extended holiday together. He took his tablet for 'Google Maps' etc. Most days he opted to stay behind at our rental for a few hours by himself to 'read and chill in the garden'.
At first I didn't mind as I enjoyed time to myself on the beach etc and he'd join me later. However, I started to get a feeling, an instinct, call it intuition. I started to question what he was doing and asked if he was using the tablet for porn while I was out of the way. He was indignant and swore he never used it, in fact he hadn't even opened the tablet on the holiday.
I left it to the last day to confront him properly as I didn't want a big scene while we were away together with no way of escape!
I made him put on the tablet. I found that he had been using pornography while i was by myself on the beach. He was extremely upset and bashful but still lying. At first he said it was briefly once during the holiday, then twice ( although data evidence indicated otherwise) and that he'd not used porn since our conversation/ my ultimatum 5 years ago. Over the last few days, with my continued questioning, he's admitted he started using pornography again years ago.
He says it is a compulsion for the illicit.
I think it's the tip of the iceberg and my trust is now detonated.
I can't bear the thought that he was doing this on our holiday and gaslighting me. I can feel only contempt for him.
He says that he loves me and it would be foolish of me to leave a man who adores me.
Well I don't feel adored.
We all have free will..he can do as he chooses, but i have the right to not live with a man who chooses to use pornography. We also hardly ever have sex, although I'm attractive and keep in really good shape etc. He has never really wanted to address the lack of sex between us, it has always been me getting upset and bringing up the subject.
I feel done and finished. Unfortunately I can't move out for 12 months because my son has a year left at university and is living at home. So now I have to live alongside this man ( separate bedrooms anyway because he snores) in a way that doesn't affect my son ( I'm not going to tell my son of my plans because stability at uni is too important) or my mental health.
Has anyone in MN had to live with a husband while employing a ' grey rock' technique and come out of it successfully with their sanity intact?
Thanks you for reading to the end.

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Swiftie1878 · 02/10/2024 09:28

Circeandthepigs · 26/09/2024 17:44

He's a coward. He's a 63 year old creep. When we first met i saw him staring at teenage girls. I should have stuck with my gut instincts and not believed a word he's told me, such as " I'm not staring, I'm just thinking..honestly I didn't even notice that girl".
The more I think of our 16 years together and the behaviours I've ignored the angrier I'm feeling.

Oh my.
Seems like you knew what he was like all along, really. He showed you and you ignored it and married him. Perhaps this was why he felt it was safe to continue trying to hoodwink you.

Best of luck for the coming year. I’m not sure your rationale for staying is too sound either. But, you do you! x

Circeandthepigs · 02/10/2024 09:52

My son is at university in his final year. I'm not going to unsurp him. If I moved out I'd have to rent until he finishes uni, it's extortionate to rent in this city. I wouldn't want to buy another house in this city even if i could afford it, which i can't. I only moved here to be with my husband, it isn't where I'd choose for myself. So it does make sense to try stay for the next 12 months then sell our property, divide the monies and I'll go where I want to be. Not easy though but i can't think of anything else to do.
I'm going to get counselling to help me through it.

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Circeandthepigs · 02/10/2024 09:57

Oh dear.

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Circeandthepigs · 02/10/2024 10:00

I can't be 16. Nor can I take it up the axx so forcibly. I don't want to end up in hospital.

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Dazzler27 · 02/10/2024 10:04

It's a bit sad and petty imo that you feel that way about porn use which is totally normal and plenty of men and woman use it and it's not in anyway against you

MoonbeamsGlittering · 02/10/2024 10:15

Where did all of these new porn enthusiasts come from overnight? It's OK if some of you like porn but it's also totally OK for the OP not to want to be with a porn watcher. Coming here to tell the OP that how she feels is wrong seems totally unhelpful.

MoonbeamsGlittering · 02/10/2024 10:17

*and it also makes total sense not to want to be with someone who lies repeatedly to you.

Anonym00se · 02/10/2024 10:22

Dazzler27 · 02/10/2024 10:04

It's a bit sad and petty imo that you feel that way about porn use which is totally normal and plenty of men and woman use it and it's not in anyway against you

Tell me you haven’t read the thread… 🙄

CassieMaddox · 02/10/2024 10:58

MoonbeamsGlittering · 02/10/2024 10:15

Where did all of these new porn enthusiasts come from overnight? It's OK if some of you like porn but it's also totally OK for the OP not to want to be with a porn watcher. Coming here to tell the OP that how she feels is wrong seems totally unhelpful.

Probs we got linked on some forum or other 🙄

Crikeyalmighty · 02/10/2024 11:00

@MoonbeamsGlittering wondering if they would say the same if she didn't want to be with an alcoholic, a cocaine user or a big gambler!! I think the view by those saying it's no big deal is it's not harming them physically or the family finances ( in most but not all cases). But the fact is it 'is' harming the 'connection' and the partners mental health who doesn't want it in a relationship

Deadringer · 02/10/2024 11:09

Catseyes88 · 26/09/2024 17:10

Another Porn thread. Yay.

Nearly all men watch porn. It does not mean they are addicted.

it does not mean they don’t find you attractive.

it does not mean they want to cheat on you.

they are not replacing you with porn. ( usually)

if a man says he will stop watching porn because his OH wants him to, he will still watch porn.

if you want a relationship where a man never watches porn, good luck. The chances are very small.

Unpalatable as it is, this is 100% true. Most men watch porn, and many of them don't give a shit if it's ethical or not, a small number would even prefer if the women are trafficked and raped. If you think you have found a man that doesn't watch it, you are probably being misled.

Dazzler27 · 02/10/2024 11:14

Exactly and no not read 12 pages but to ditch someone cos of porn usage is proper bunny boiler stuff. Maybe if there is other stuff than fair do's

WalkingaroundJardine · 02/10/2024 11:21

Dazzler27 · 02/10/2024 11:14

Exactly and no not read 12 pages but to ditch someone cos of porn usage is proper bunny boiler stuff. Maybe if there is other stuff than fair do's

She is no longer getting sex, so it’s not exactly bunny boiler stuff.

Devilsadvocat · 02/10/2024 11:26

How do you know more men watch porn than not?
Is there a survey going around. I do not think everyone women included watch porn and to me being cool about it I cant understand. If your DP or DH has stopped having sex with you and would rather watch porn and "knock one out" would you be cool with that? I know I wouldnt and dont think many would but Im not cool.

IDontHateRainbows · 02/10/2024 11:33

Given that everyone knows most men watch porn, what I don't get is why the OP didn't mention this in the earlier stages of the relationship if it is such a massive red line for her.

They could have then both decided whether it was a fundamental incompatibility.

Agree that the lying and lack of normal sex life whilst hubby is having it off with the 'five sisters' takes it next level.

Dumbo12 · 02/10/2024 11:55

Either the British male is really in terminal moral decline, or we have some very odd posters here! I am a similar age to the op's oh, it would not occur to me to ask a partner about their porn use, prior to being intimate. They would however have a pretty good idea of my stance on it, given my lifetime of feminism, my having worked with prostituted and trafficked women.
This treating men as if they have no moral responsibility, or as if they shouldn't, has led to the acceptance of the idea that women are not human and can be treated as animated blow up dolls.

Crikeyalmighty · 02/10/2024 12:08

No it isn't bunny boiler territory- we are told that we can end relationships for any reason- so if drugs, excessive alcohol use, doing zero housework, not joining in with childcare ,gambling are some of the reasons people give - I'm pretty sure secretive and often excessive porn use will frequently be on the list too, as will any kinds of sleazy activity not just porn use , joining dating sites, texting other women, visiting massage parlours etc- men are being very naive indeed if they think that all women are cool about it- and they know full well that they won't be- which is why so many are secretive about it.

Mamabobogo · 02/10/2024 12:11

Dazzler27 · 02/10/2024 11:14

Exactly and no not read 12 pages but to ditch someone cos of porn usage is proper bunny boiler stuff. Maybe if there is other stuff than fair do's

Filter the OPs posts and read them? It’ll stop you making ridiculous comments. Like “oh porn is a non issue” and OPs a bunny boiler.

You may prefer your partner to wank over porn and not have sex with you, some of us want a fulfilling sex life.

CassieMaddox · 02/10/2024 12:12

Dumbo12 · 02/10/2024 11:55

Either the British male is really in terminal moral decline, or we have some very odd posters here! I am a similar age to the op's oh, it would not occur to me to ask a partner about their porn use, prior to being intimate. They would however have a pretty good idea of my stance on it, given my lifetime of feminism, my having worked with prostituted and trafficked women.
This treating men as if they have no moral responsibility, or as if they shouldn't, has led to the acceptance of the idea that women are not human and can be treated as animated blow up dolls.

Great post.

Why are we all being gaslit into "everyone watches porn" when the conversation is about compulsive porn watching that is damaging relationships?

Dazzler27 · 02/10/2024 13:47

Anonym00se · 02/10/2024 10:22

Tell me you haven’t read the thread… 🙄

Although I must add I don't watch porn I prefer to save up for Mrs dazzler

Mamabobogo · 02/10/2024 13:51

Dazzler27 · 02/10/2024 13:47

Although I must add I don't watch porn I prefer to save up for Mrs dazzler

Poor Mrs D!

Circeandthepigs · 02/10/2024 17:22

Quite! Can you imagine..😬

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Jennyathemall · 02/10/2024 17:27

Could be worse, he could have stolen all your choc from the fridge.

Circeandthepigs · 02/10/2024 17:31

I work with survivors of sexual abuse and I've never been one to hide my feelings about pornography, so my husband really has been very dumb.
He's just admitted to me that he doesn't see the girls/ women as real people. He's 63.
The first time I found out he'd been secretly using pornography he actually said "I'm a red blooded male, I want to see women without their clothes on". He was 58.
I gave him an ultimatum back then. There's no going back now that he's fxcked me over. Our values don't align.

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Circeandthepigs · 02/10/2024 17:33

You sound thick.

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