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Husband's pornography use

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Circeandthepigs · 26/09/2024 14:41

I have strong objections regarding pornography ( abuse, harm, exploitation of women and girls) and when 5 years ago I discovered my husband used porn secretly I was completely devastated & gave him an ultimatum- he stop or I divorce him. He said he hardly used it and that it was no problem stopping. I told him my feelings about porn & was upfront that i couldn't live with a man who used it.
Ive checked in about it over the years but he's always assured me he doesn't use it anymore and he is very plausible.
Recently we went on an extended holiday together. He took his tablet for 'Google Maps' etc. Most days he opted to stay behind at our rental for a few hours by himself to 'read and chill in the garden'.
At first I didn't mind as I enjoyed time to myself on the beach etc and he'd join me later. However, I started to get a feeling, an instinct, call it intuition. I started to question what he was doing and asked if he was using the tablet for porn while I was out of the way. He was indignant and swore he never used it, in fact he hadn't even opened the tablet on the holiday.
I left it to the last day to confront him properly as I didn't want a big scene while we were away together with no way of escape!
I made him put on the tablet. I found that he had been using pornography while i was by myself on the beach. He was extremely upset and bashful but still lying. At first he said it was briefly once during the holiday, then twice ( although data evidence indicated otherwise) and that he'd not used porn since our conversation/ my ultimatum 5 years ago. Over the last few days, with my continued questioning, he's admitted he started using pornography again years ago.
He says it is a compulsion for the illicit.
I think it's the tip of the iceberg and my trust is now detonated.
I can't bear the thought that he was doing this on our holiday and gaslighting me. I can feel only contempt for him.
He says that he loves me and it would be foolish of me to leave a man who adores me.
Well I don't feel adored.
We all have free will..he can do as he chooses, but i have the right to not live with a man who chooses to use pornography. We also hardly ever have sex, although I'm attractive and keep in really good shape etc. He has never really wanted to address the lack of sex between us, it has always been me getting upset and bringing up the subject.
I feel done and finished. Unfortunately I can't move out for 12 months because my son has a year left at university and is living at home. So now I have to live alongside this man ( separate bedrooms anyway because he snores) in a way that doesn't affect my son ( I'm not going to tell my son of my plans because stability at uni is too important) or my mental health.
Has anyone in MN had to live with a husband while employing a ' grey rock' technique and come out of it successfully with their sanity intact?
Thanks you for reading to the end.

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MoonbeamsGlittering · 26/09/2024 15:18

I haven't exactly experienced the situation you've described, but I once had something rather similar and I found that it helped if I remained very focussed on the future that I was working towards, rather than plodding through those months of difficulty. Trying to stay on good terms with my ex at that time was part of my plan for how I would get to my future plans more smoothly. I am actually a married man now (in case that's relevant) and I also wanted to say that I don't agree with anyone who says that "all men can't resist looking at porn" because I've had periods of time where I haven't bothered with porn for years, and I'm sure I could quit permanently if my wife asked me to (but she doesn't seem bothered either way.)

Windrainandsnow · 26/09/2024 15:32

It seems to be a common theme that when a woman asks her partner not to use porn that he agrees not to but then just gets more secretive about using it and carries on watching it .
Knowing how much it hurts and upsets his partner but doing it anyway. It is so destructive of relationships.
So sorry you are going through this. I would feel exactly as you do.
Sorry no practical advice other than offering you best wishes.

Lafondah · 26/09/2024 15:39

You'd think he'd hide his activity. Its easy enough to do. Almost like he wants to be caught.

Circeandthepigs · 26/09/2024 16:29

He did try to hide it. It's just that I'm more clever..🙄

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sunflowersngunpowdr · 26/09/2024 16:37

I think you are in the wrong to give him an ultimatum in the first place. If it's your boundary you should have split with him when you first found out he enjoys it. He shouldn't have been pushed to chose between you and something he enjoys - ethical issues aside (and I know there are ethical issues with it but there are also women who willingly do porn and make a living off of it by choice). If you can't accept it then leave him or accept it's something he might be doing in private and get over it- you have no right to tell anyone what they can and cannot watch.

SlothOnARope · 26/09/2024 16:39

Has anyone in MN had to live with a husband while employing a ' grey rock' technique and come out of it successfully with their sanity intact?

No, without wanting to sound too dramatic, doing that completely sent me round the twist and ruined my life.

You can't lie to yourself about your true feelings without causing yourself harm.

You sound really switched on OP. Who needs a porn-addicted wanker in their life??

Just keep your powder dry until you can see a way out of this.

Windrainandsnow · 26/09/2024 17:00

sunflowersngunpowdr · 26/09/2024 16:37

I think you are in the wrong to give him an ultimatum in the first place. If it's your boundary you should have split with him when you first found out he enjoys it. He shouldn't have been pushed to chose between you and something he enjoys - ethical issues aside (and I know there are ethical issues with it but there are also women who willingly do porn and make a living off of it by choice). If you can't accept it then leave him or accept it's something he might be doing in private and get over it- you have no right to tell anyone what they can and cannot watch.

OP was perfectly entitled to give him the choice of continuing to watch porn and ending the marriage or stop watching it and continue in the relationship. She told him her boundary.
He was entitled to say to her that he wanted to continue to watch porn and that was more important to him than his relationship with her. He had that option.
What he chose to do was lie to her and
continue to watch porn in secret.
He could have at any point said to her that he was watching porn and given her the choice of leaving him or putting up with it.
OP did nothing wrong in stating her boundaries.
He on the the other hand chose to deceive her and took away her right to an informed choice about whether to stay in the relationship.

DustyLee123 · 26/09/2024 17:03

Why do these men continue to lie? Why don’t they just move on and bang one out while watching porn whenever they want, rather than lying and upsetting their family.

Catseyes88 · 26/09/2024 17:10

Another Porn thread. Yay.

Nearly all men watch porn. It does not mean they are addicted.

it does not mean they don’t find you attractive.

it does not mean they want to cheat on you.

they are not replacing you with porn. ( usually)

if a man says he will stop watching porn because his OH wants him to, he will still watch porn.

if you want a relationship where a man never watches porn, good luck. The chances are very small.

Windrainandsnow · 26/09/2024 17:13

Catseyes88 · 26/09/2024 17:10

Another Porn thread. Yay.

Nearly all men watch porn. It does not mean they are addicted.

it does not mean they don’t find you attractive.

it does not mean they want to cheat on you.

they are not replacing you with porn. ( usually)

if a man says he will stop watching porn because his OH wants him to, he will still watch porn.

if you want a relationship where a man never watches porn, good luck. The chances are very small.

How predictable.

Circeandthepigs · 26/09/2024 17:15

Based on that, nobody in a marriage could give an ultimatum about anything..drug use, alcohol abuse, gambling et al.
The ultimatum was a choice; 'if you continue to use pornography our marriage is over'. He had a choice. What he did was lie. I don't align with chronic liars either. He could have make the decision to end our marriage and choose instead pornography. I would have accepted that. Free will.
You don't see the issue here, but that's okay.

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ginasevern · 26/09/2024 17:17

Porn is destroying marriages and affecting women's self esteem. I know through my own experience. I think it's got to the point where most men watch porn and those that don't would if they could. It really has become a way of life and integrated into the societal "norm". They have instant access at any time to whatever turns them on. Men always prioritise sex and worry about its consequences (if indeed they worry at all) later. They have no qualms about lying and they will not stop watching porn no matter what ultimatum is set.

CurlewKate · 26/09/2024 17:18

@Catseyes88 "
Nearly all men watch porn. It does not mean they are addicted"

Two things. Lots of men don't.

And it may not mean they are addicted, but it does mean that they don't care if they are wanking over an exploited potentially trafficked women, and don't have a problem with the concept of buying consent.

Circeandthepigs · 26/09/2024 17:20

Thank you.
My ultimatum was a choice. He had a choice. Unfortunately I've had no choice in being lied to and deceived.

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Catseyes88 · 26/09/2024 17:20

Circeandthepigs · 26/09/2024 17:15

Based on that, nobody in a marriage could give an ultimatum about anything..drug use, alcohol abuse, gambling et al.
The ultimatum was a choice; 'if you continue to use pornography our marriage is over'. He had a choice. What he did was lie. I don't align with chronic liars either. He could have make the decision to end our marriage and choose instead pornography. I would have accepted that. Free will.
You don't see the issue here, but that's okay.

I totally understand why you are hurt, and i'm sure its the lying as much as the porn that's the issue for you which is understandable.

However, if it was an ultimatum between you and porn, and you would end the marriage if he said he didn't want to or couldn't stop porn, then of course he would lie and keep it a secret from you if he didn't want the marriage to end.

Mamabobogo · 26/09/2024 17:21

sunflowersngunpowdr · 26/09/2024 16:37

I think you are in the wrong to give him an ultimatum in the first place. If it's your boundary you should have split with him when you first found out he enjoys it. He shouldn't have been pushed to chose between you and something he enjoys - ethical issues aside (and I know there are ethical issues with it but there are also women who willingly do porn and make a living off of it by choice). If you can't accept it then leave him or accept it's something he might be doing in private and get over it- you have no right to tell anyone what they can and cannot watch.

She gave him a choice not an ultimatum, he lied.

Mamabobogo · 26/09/2024 17:23

Catseyes88 · 26/09/2024 17:10

Another Porn thread. Yay.

Nearly all men watch porn. It does not mean they are addicted.

it does not mean they don’t find you attractive.

it does not mean they want to cheat on you.

they are not replacing you with porn. ( usually)

if a man says he will stop watching porn because his OH wants him to, he will still watch porn.

if you want a relationship where a man never watches porn, good luck. The chances are very small.

That’s not OPs question. She’s set her boundaries and he’s broken them.

shes asked for advice how to live for the next year

Also, his habit does seem to be causing an issue with their sex life, unless you want to blame that also on OP?

Catseyes88 · 26/09/2024 17:24

CurlewKate · 26/09/2024 17:18

@Catseyes88 "
Nearly all men watch porn. It does not mean they are addicted"

Two things. Lots of men don't.

And it may not mean they are addicted, but it does mean that they don't care if they are wanking over an exploited potentially trafficked women, and don't have a problem with the concept of buying consent.

76% of British men regularly watch porn, 53% of British woman regularly watch porn ( at least once a week )

It's also quite easy to find and watch ethical porn.

Circeandthepigs · 26/09/2024 17:25

Hey so he gets to call all the shots as well as the cum- shots, right????
I'm very very angry about that!

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Berlinlover · 26/09/2024 17:26

Ultimatums never work. If porn is such a big deal to you then you should have finished with him when you first discovered he watched it. You’ll find it very difficult to find a man who doesn’t watch porn.

Catseyes88 · 26/09/2024 17:26

Mamabobogo · 26/09/2024 17:23

That’s not OPs question. She’s set her boundaries and he’s broken them.

shes asked for advice how to live for the next year

Also, his habit does seem to be causing an issue with their sex life, unless you want to blame that also on OP?

i Haven't put any blame on the OP?!!

ginasevern · 26/09/2024 17:28

@CurlewKate

"Lots of men don't.
And it may not mean they are addicted, but it does mean that they don't care if they are wanking over an exploited potentially trafficked women, and don't have a problem with the concept of buying consent."

Sadly I think you are being rather naive. More men watch it than don't, it really has become a part of life. Much like smoking used to be. I also think you'll find that men are quite happy to wank over potentially trafficked women. They can and do very easily compartmentalise sex.

Tillybud81 · 26/09/2024 17:29

Wow lot of people who can't comprehend on this thread (and shitty behaviour apologists), the main issue OP has isn't necessarily the porn, as she said it could just as easily been gambling, drug taking, the porn just happens to have been her BOUNDARY.

The issue is him agreeing not to do it then lying about doing it, that is the shitty behaviour. Bollocks to the 'you can't tell him what to do' lot, he could have walked away if he thought he was being controlled but he chose to lie instead. How people can't see this as shitty is beyond me

Catseyes88 · 26/09/2024 17:29

Circeandthepigs · 26/09/2024 17:25

Hey so he gets to call all the shots as well as the cum- shots, right????
I'm very very angry about that!

tbh, and i hope you don't take offence to this, but its you who is calling the shots, he is merely doing what the vast majority of men do and is hiding it from you because he loves you and wants to be with you as opposed to being honest and you ending the marriage...

Circeandthepigs · 26/09/2024 17:29

The scummy attitude toward women kills me.
When I first discovered his secret pornography use 5 years ago he began his defensive by trying to brazen it out..he said, I quote, 'I'm a normal red blooded man, i like seeing women without their clothes on'.
He later apologised for it. But it was said.
I think the death knell started right there, regarding the marriage..

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