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Do they ever come back? Devastated.

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Pleasenotme · 17/09/2024 16:25

Long time lurker, occasional poster, nc'd for this. DH has told me he wants a divorce. I can barely write this as I am so devastated and struggling to keep things together. Been together 35 years, DC. I thought we had everything. Says he hasn't been happy for a while, wants to sell our house, have a new start. I know men rarely leave without having someone in the wings. He was adamant that there was no one, but youngest DD saw him meeting up with a woman not far from the house. It was pure fluke she saw them as her nursing shifts mean she is not normally around at that time and I was in Scotland visiting my DM. DD told me about this only after DH had told her that he is divorcing me as she had been worried about it but didn't want to say anything in case it was innocent. He denies an OW. Of course. I know this woman on a casual basis and have socialised with her as part of a larger group. She is married with two young DC. My DD babysits for her occasionally.

I feel like an explosion has gone off in our lives. I can't believe this is happening. He is like an ice man with me, a stranger. He has said the most cruel things. Our marriage has had the inevitable turmoils and ups and downs but he is my soul mate. I thought we would be together forever. I can't stop crying, I can't work - thankfully my boss has been very kind - I had to ring Samaritans last night as I was so very bleak and was having panic attacks and I didn't want to be here, I just wanted it all to go away. I know that sounds foolish and selfish. He has moved out and is staying with his sister locally. We are not close so there is no point talking to her about it.

I love him so much. I can't imagine life without him, I just can't. Is there anyone on here who has had experience of their DH doing this to them AND coming back? I am grimly aware of the number of men who dump their DWs during the mid years of their lives. I suspect I am clutching at straws but this is like an earthquake. I am totally desperate for this not to be happening. Thank you for reading.

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HeySummerWhereAreYou · 18/09/2024 09:55

Scentedjasmin · 17/09/2024 22:24

Even if this were true, which I somehow doubt it, he's going to age like hell if he has run off with a woman with 2 kids under the age of 5 when he is old enough to be their grandad! If he is fortunate enough to have any of his own hair left, it will soon be gone! And if it doesn't fall out, he'll probably end up with a good bout of nits! If he's lucky he'll pick up threadworms too. Fortunately for you those days are behind you. He'll end up a lonely old man too, whilst in 5 years time, you will no doubt be settled down with some really wonderful chap.

This made me LOL! I hope it brought a wee smile to your face too @Pleasenotme 😆

How are you today lovely? Flowers I hope you feel OK. (((((((HUGS)))))))

HeySummerWhereAreYou · 18/09/2024 09:59

Nineto5 · 18/09/2024 06:15

Everyone is assuming the OW will leave her DH and set up home with OP's husband. She may give him the brush off now that it's a real thing and he has actually left his DW.

It will serve him right if this is the case.

OP please don't take him back if he comes crawling, you are worth more than this.

Ooooh yes! I REALLY hope the OW dumps him now the affair is all out in the open/he has broken up with his wife. Like Toyah did to Nick in Corrie the other week.

I have a feeling that the OP will take him back in a heartbeat though. Which is sad, as she deserves soooooooo much better. Sad

ijustneedtokeepbreathing · 18/09/2024 10:04

OP, I am so sorry that you are going through this. Everything you are feeling and thinking at the moment is totally natural and to be expected, but that doesn't change the relentless fucking agony of it.

I understand. The pain becomes physical and at times feels unbearable - it's like being stuck in a storm that you just don't know will ever end. Just know that there are people in your life (and on Mumsnet) who are here to listen.

You will reach a point where you can feel what you need to feel. And in the interim, just keep talking and breathing.

JFDIYOLO · 18/09/2024 10:12

Keep everything he has said and written about you. Every insult, every belittling criticism.

Let your friends and family know what he's saying about you.

Show it to your solicitor (who we hope you have already consulted) and ask them to remind you of it if you show any signs of caving in and accepting shit terms.

Put it away labelled 'this is who he really is'.

Then if he does come crawling back, look at it. This is what he did, what he thinks of you - and what he will do again.

notanotherusername2024 · 18/09/2024 10:17

Calliopespa · 18/09/2024 08:12

I’m not sure op does know for certain though. There was a sighting of them together but the DD couldn’t confirm it was not just innocent. Op felt this woman paid a lot of attention to DH at first, then scaled it back. So it’s suspicious but not certain.

The other couple don’t deserve that bombshell if it’s inaccurate; and op will look unhinged and lose support from that circle if she makes a false allegation. If she stays dignified and it comes out, she will garner respect. It’s not op’s job right now to lessen the pain of the cuckolded husband of the ow - if that’s what he is. Op can offer sympathy or support later, if that is what she feels she would like to do. But she ought not to risk tilting at windmills.

Yes, that's why I added that caveat "If she is sure"

Anyone who disrespects an abused woman is not a friend anyway and can safely be discounted.

Her abuser certainly has not treated her in a dignified manner or acted in a dignified fashion - and it's up to her and any other abused person to decide what is beneath their dignity.

Letting a man who is being abused by a lying cheat know about his abuser offers him the dignity, honour and respect his abuser has not shown.

And there is nothing undignified at all about feeling human emotions in response to the horrendous way she has been treated.

But yes, she should be sure first.

And if she finds out for sure who the new screw is she should give the abused and cheated on husband the dignity and respect of letting him make reality based decisions and protect his sexual and mental health.

But, ultimately, that will be for the OP, who has been treated with such indignity to decide of course.

InSearchOfMartin · 18/09/2024 10:19

HeySummerWhereAreYou · 18/09/2024 09:55

Supremely unhelpful and pointless comment. Ironic really, seeing as you are having a go at the posters for something that YOU deem as pointless and unhelpful. People say 'didn't want to read and run' to let a very upset and distressed poster that they are in their thoughts.

No, it's not necessary to say that. Really it's not. It's also been seen on the "phrases we hate" thread on Mumsnet! It's a catchphrase and meaningless. It's possible to reply to any OP without saying that as it doesn't add anything to the message of support or advice that you would be giving.

Anyway don't let's derail this thread. The OP is getting a lot of support - from me as well - so let's move forward with it.

JFDIYOLO · 18/09/2024 10:22

And don't resign!!!!!

You are under strict instructions from your Mumsnet army.

Keep in contact with your line manager, be honest about what you're going through and seek her support. It's one of the things she's paid to do. Sounds like she's there for you.

You'll need the income, savings and pension.

And the status, respect and confidence your role can bring you.

Just now you're in need of support.

You're in the Kubler Ross grief cycle at the moment and it can help to see how well known this is. It really is temporary, and a process to work through, with help.

Do they ever come back? Devastated.
InSearchOfMartin · 18/09/2024 10:29

@JFDIYOLO That is massively helpful and really interesting - and relatable. Another one here saying DON'T PACK THE JOB IN - it's just a kneejerk reaction and feeling you are not able to cope/not up to scratch based on the LIES this creep (yes that is what he is, not your DH, he is creepy and nasty) has told you, OP. You've held down a job for years, brought up a family and been a partner to this ratbag. Don't let him take away your professional pride.

Comtesse · 18/09/2024 10:34

You poor love, your pain is palpable. Take time off from work until the shockwaves settle but please please do NOT resign. You need some compassionate leave or time off til your mental health recovers, and that’s just fine Flowers

jumpintheline · 18/09/2024 10:34

I'm so sorry OP, this must be devastating. You don't deserve to be treated this way - he sounds awful and I hope you find peace and happiness without him x

Itsmostlygristle · 18/09/2024 10:41

@Taishan that maybe so but can you not kick op when she’s down.

Itsmostlygristle · 18/09/2024 10:47

We are all here for you @Pleasenotme

skyeisthelimit · 18/09/2024 10:49

OP, I feel for you and you need to be kind to yourself. A lot of us have been there and it is heart breaking. You need time to grieve. Get yourself some counselling, it really does help. Do not make any major decisions and do not quit your job. If you are good at your job and have a good boss, they should support you through this.

Regarding your H

  1. They do turn into cold hard strangers
  2. They rewrite history and blame you for everything
  3. Often the OW is younger (around 17 years in my case).
  4. They often recreate the life that they "hate so much"

I know you want him back, it was all I wanted for months, even after I divorced him (which I did really quickly for financial reasons). I would have taken him back at any point in the early months, for a long time after actually. But looking back I know that I would have never trusted him again and it would never have worked.

I posted on here and got good support mostly. I really struggled to move on as my entire life was devastated. I thought we would be together forever. He destroyed the family unit as DD was just 4 at the time. You imagine your life together, your future together and then it is all ripped away.

You will find your strength as time goes by. The counselling will help you to unravel what is right and what is wrong , about any awful things he has said about you. It took me some time to get over that, to own my faults and throw out all the crap . They say terrible things so that they don't have to feel guilty about leaving, to justify it, to show that they had no choice but to go. They will of course deny OW. It is all part of the script.

bowlingalleyblues · 18/09/2024 10:59

He is behaving absolutely disgustingly. Once you get through the shock of this you will see it. To give you a long list of 'things that were wrong' when he never brought them up to you or discussed them throughout your long relationship is just cruel. Anyway, just to say that you WILL get through this. My mum rebuilt her life after my dad left, and I am so proud of her - she reconnected with old friends, went travelling, started new hobbies - she's like a different person and is loving life. When you get to the stage of accepting - accepting that life is changing, that you've been thrown a shocking curveball and will need time to recover, that he is a person who goes against (what he said were) his own values - you will find peace. Focus on caring for and nurturing and supporting yourself and what is good for you the way you once did for him.

EatingRipeCamembert · 18/09/2024 11:06

OP you have had an enormous shock, would you consider some counselling to talk through it with someone?

He has totally upended your world, let off a bomb, it is no wonder you are crying all the time and unable to function.

I'd suggest some counselling or at the very least being patient with yourself, allowing yourself to cry it all out for a few days or weeks. It will be like grief, very raw at first, but it will become gradually easier to bear.

AnonymousBleep · 18/09/2024 11:10

Well, he might come back. My stepdad had an affair with a younger woman (right around the time my mum's dad was seriously ill, so most of her time and attention was obviously focused on that) but he dumped her as soon as mum found out and kicked him out, then came crawling back. My grandpa had conveniently died by this point so mum was able to give him her full attention again. She was worried she wouldn't meet anyone else and would struggle on her own - I think she'd have been fine but we're all different I suppose. I think part of her has never actually forgiven him and never will. I didn't want her to take him back, not after how he behaved, but it wasn't my choice.

But OP - I know you love him, but he's treated you APPALLINGLY. Please don't quit your job, just keep putting one foot in front of another for now. You can't afford to fall to pieces (literally). Give this some time and don't make ANY decisions right now. I think once you stop feeling so devastated, you will be livid at how he's treated you, and rightly so. You deserve SO MUCH more. Stay strong.

RottenApplesSpoilTheLot · 18/09/2024 11:15

@skyeisthelimit spot on

  1. "They do turn into cold hard strangers
  2. They rewrite history and blame you for everything
  3. Often the OW is younger (around 17 years in my case).
  4. They often recreate the life that they "hate so much"
It was 25 yrs for me, totally shocked friends and family, especially the DC. It took years for them to be OK with him, but the trust is still gone.

He will not be your friend during this period, he is not the man you married. Stay as cool and calm as you can manage to, detach as much as you can, deal with the practicals and financials. DO NOT RESIGN.

You will have a different life going forward @Pleasenotme , not the one you envisioned, but it can, and will, be fabulous. Wish I'd had MN when I was going through it, so I'd say use this community as much as you need to.

I'm 15 yrs on and love my life now. Am I sad the marriage ended? yes. But honestly I would not want to be married to the person he is now, he's not the man I married, I wouldn't look twice at this guy.

SmileyHappyPeopleInTheSun · 18/09/2024 11:34

He will not be your friend during this period, he is not the man you married. Stay as cool and calm as you can manage to, detach as much as you can, deal with the practicals and financials. DO NOT RESIGN.

All this.

Get legal advice in place as soon as possible for you.

I do know some women who did take back husbands in similar situations - and ones I know in RL all regretted it and they all ended up divorced anyway just later - but had periods of pick me with their husbands that emotionally damaged them.

Sadly the damage is done - it's a huge shock for you and will probably hurt for a long time - and I'm sorry for that but you will make a good exciting future for yourself eventually.

VividZebra · 18/09/2024 11:39

OP, I feel for you so much as 15 years ago a similar nuclear bomb went off in my life and family. All you describe could have been me - I used to call the Samaritans in the middle of the night and when it happened I would have said I was desperately in love with him. He may or may not come back, but this 'ice-monster' treatment is textbook, as is the gaslighting refusal to admit to an OW. Please look after yourself, get meds from the doctor which will help, and this is the time to reach out to those close to you - daughter and friends in particular. Do not depend on his family - they will side with him whatever he's done. One thing you MUST do is see a solicitor, and urgently. Do not rely on him to be fair to you in a divorce - he'll think he is being, but his interests are now all that matters to him. You can get a free half-hour with a family law firm, and they really help. Don't tell him what you're doing and consult all the good ones - they then can't represent him. Feeling so much for you - for what it's worth, and you won't believe this, there is a life after him. I'm happier than I have ever been and would not turn the clock back and change things.

TheaBrandt · 18/09/2024 11:47

I know he is the one to blame of course but how can these women live with themselves? Not saying I am perfect but the guilt you would feel about destroying a family - doesn’t it bother them? Happened to my best friend just after her a levels witnessing the devastation wreaked on their family by the dad leaving brutally for a younger woman has stayed with me.

CleanShirt · 18/09/2024 11:54

Eurgh I'm so sorry @Pleasenotme. Your story is so familiar - stbxh did exactly the same to me in January andt hen shacked up with an employee 16 years his junior, despite his insistence there was nobody else.

I've no groundbreaking advice other than just take everything a day at a time. Unfortunately the old adage of "time is a healer" is entirely true in this situation.

Keep posting, PM me if you ever need to talk x

JFDIYOLO · 18/09/2024 11:57

Think of him as a changeling, a skinwalker. What he is presenting himself as now is not the man you though you'd married.

Have you got your appointments with your solicitor, your line manager and a therapist sorted?

skyeisthelimit · 18/09/2024 12:03

I should have said in my first post, that I am now 12 years on and happy. It took a while, but eventually you do move on and you won't feel like this forever.

I know that it won't seem like that now, I didn't believe the people who told me, but it is true. The pain will fade at some point, but you are still very early days at the moment.

Pleasenotme · 18/09/2024 12:06

Thank you with all my heart for the amazing messages, so many of you have put so much care and effort, and kindness, into your words, and I am beyond grateful. I so wish that those who have written from experience had never had to endure such things though. I'm still an absolute wreck, virtually no sleep and I couldn't eat any of the takeaway my brother brought here last night. I admit I did have a couple of glasses of wine though; I'm not usually a drinker but I just needed them. I know how easy it is to slip into too much too regularly in these circumstances so I will be careful. I was terrible company for my brother, just soaking through tissue after tissue, sobbing and going over and over about the same things. He was very stoic.

My boss has just called again and offered me WFH for the next few weeks if I don't feel up to going into our main office and facing people. She also emphasised that I must take sick leave if my GP thinks it would be helpful; I have my telephone consultation this afternoon. To the PP who said I was in flight or fight mode, that's absolutely correct; I simply want to run away from everything because if I do, the pain might stop. I actually went as far as typing out my email of resignation last night then mentally shook myself and deleted it. I need the money and I've worked bloody hard over the years to get where I am and a PP who wrote that I shouldn't do anything drastic when grief-stricken was right. But my job seems so pointless, everything seems so grey and flat and barren. It's like a light has gone out in my life and I'm just stuck in miserable twilight.

Someone commented about 'if this is real, and I doubt it is' - I can't find the PP who wrote that now, but I assure you that there is a woman in agony here typing this out as I felt yesterday that I had nowhere to turn and I was literally desperate, and still am. I am going to tell the Dr I feel suicidal, because I do. I know that's not a rational, or sensible, or mature reaction but it is what I am feeling and it's like a tidal wave of misery washing over me. So sadly, this is all too real and god knows I wish it weren't. I would do anything to wake from this and find it was just the worst kind of nightmare, nothing more.

@Sparklywhiteteeth in respect of the OW and what I know, yes my youngest DD saw them but sadly other stuff has now come out which means there is no doubt about her and my DH's relationship. My eldest DS confronted him and there was a semi-omission which he then hastily retracted. I think he was so shocked at DS's stance, as they are normally best friends and DS is a gentle, non-confrontational soul, that he let his guard slip.There are also several other things but they are identifying so I won't elaborate. I do suspect the OW is reading this though as I know she is a MN fan. I wish you karma if you are, OW.

To those commenting about him verging on being elderly, he's late 50's but doesn't look it due to his fitness and is often mistaken for being far younger. Until he became this stranger he has always been a warm and loving H who I still felt - feel - very passionately about. My heart always lifted when I heard his key in the door and all I want now is to hear it again. I miss him beyond words.He has said such terrible things to me but I'm struggling to accept he is in his right mind because it is literally like an episode from Dr Who where an alien invades someone else's body. I'm a very rational person, not given to hysteria normally, so I feel as if I'm in the middle of the most god-awful soap opera, a parallel universe. I looked into his eyes, not that he wanted to hold my gaze, and he wasn't there anymore and his eyes were so, so flinty and cold. Having looked at Vikki Stark's website, I see that he is in the 'discard' phase. Bloody hell, it's monstrous.

Financially we earn the same and both have good pensions so I will be OK but I can't afford to buy him out and the thought of losing our family home is almost too much to bear. I know it's only bricks and mortar but it has always been central to our large and I thought, happy, family life. I've spoken informally again to my lawyer contact and I am reasonably confident I know where I stand. I won't be pushed into anything by him even though he has suggested we 'agree things' between us without legal involvement. No bloody way.

My eldest DD has just called to see how I am. She asked me if I had heard from 'the prick'. I told her off for swearing but it gave me a smile. She loves him though and doesn't deserve any of this. Funnily enough she met the OW at a local do earlier this year and said afterwards, completely unprompted, that she didn't like her, instinctively didn't trust her and couldn't understand why my youngest DD helped her out by babysitting. She has just reminded me of that as I had forgotten. As I said in a previous post, I've been a fool and a blind one at that.

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hildabaker · 18/09/2024 12:10

I recognise that pain, lass, and this too will pass x

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