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Tell his wife - why it should be a YES

320 replies

Fedup46 · 10/09/2024 03:30

Will try to keep this concise..

Dating a guy I met on Bumble for 6 weeks... unable to shake my gut instinct something was not right (sketchy phone receiving messages, calls never connected, last minute date confirmation, seemingly busy most weekends and just a feeling) , he's in the armed forces so I accepted contact would be potentially inconsistent. Last night I worked out he is very much married (very happily seemingly, looking at his wife social media) he lied about name, where located, where he'd been etc.... discovering the truth was almost impossible but I persevered with Google lens on a picture he sent me and the rest is history.

So I challenged him, lies until he realised there was no denying it. He then turned unexpectedly dark and said he had my intimate pics and videos so leave his wife alone.

I expect many readers will say no don't contact the wife and I unreservedly and unashamedly disagree. And it's vital that we do if this is happening to you.

I'm 47 and been online dating since 2021 trying to find love and monogamy with a man.

I have encountered 3 out of 5 men I have been involved with are lying, cheating married men with no intentions to leave wife and willingly, knowingly and brutally ruining my life and abusing the trust and union with their wife.

On all 3 occasions I have sensitively and genuinely contacted their wives to expose them and have been so relieved to be thanked without reservation for telling them.

This behaviour ruins lives, it is scarily common, especially in 40's and I am amazed when I hear or read negative comments about exposing them.

I hope this is received with the good intention I mean.

Something is seriously wrong with this culture of behavior from these men and attitude towards the 'other woman ' who is a victim as well and only wants to protect and give the truth to the wife - it's called humanity.

I'll leave this here. X ✌🏼❤️

OP posts:
Over40Overdating · 10/09/2024 10:09

All these paragons who have never sent a nude pic or knowingly encountered a married man on a dating app - your medal is in the post.

I don’t send nude pics. I am deeply suspicious of men online being who they say they are. I research. I do all the ‘right’ things and have still found myself dating married men pretending to be single.

As always on this site, when men’s behaviour is repeatedly found to be dubious, and in the case of threatening revenge porn, illegal, there will be a chorus of ‘but you must be to blame for this’ from other women.

It fits with the narrative discussed on one of the threads about the French rape case - the good woman and the nice guy. Good women follow the rules the nice guys set and think that keeps them safe from things like cheating, violence or social judgement and gives them the right to criticise women who step outside the ‘good woman’ box. It doesn’t.

Dweetfidilove · 10/09/2024 10:14

DotAndCarryOne2 · 10/09/2024 08:39

I think where this kind of thing is concerned that’s always going to be the narrative on MN. I happen to agree with a lot of what you posted. This man was only known to the OP for a few weeks as the result of OLD. She has no real idea of who he is or what he’s capable of and any one of the scenarios you mentioned could have been the result of letting his wife know.

l also saw the previous thread from this OP and it was concerning. Three men out of five she met online were married and cheating - now presumably this is number four. She allegedly hasn’t done any research on any of them before dating, and has on at least one occasion actually sent intimate pictures of herself to a man she has only known only for a matter of weeks.

OP also has a child, but despite that, this man knows where she lives, so she hasn’t made any effort to protect her child (or herself for that matter) from what l would consider risky online behaviour.

Put together with her accounts of how in every single case, the wives are lovely and how grateful they are to be told of their husbands’ infidelity, and now a follow up thread urging other women to do as she has done, and to my mind something isn’t quite right here. Am l the only one seeing it ?

Edited

I see it too. There are a lot of married men on dating sites happy to cheat on their wives and deceive unsuspecting single women.

There are things OP could do to keepherself and her child safe, but until she starts signing married men up to dating sites, the rest is really not on her.

CarleyBup · 10/09/2024 10:16

WearsblackLoveschocolateAvoidspeople · 10/09/2024 07:27

I am a firm believer that anyone being cheated on should know but I'm concerned for your safety. You only knew this guy a few weeks, you say he knows your address and that you have a child. You have no idea what he's capable of.

I have grown up in a garrison town and from a young age we were told not to trust soldiers, that they were only after one thing. I know several and most have cheated on wives/partners so that has skewed my opinion of them, I dare say there are some great guys out there.

It's obviously up to you but stay as safe as you can.
And I do hope you find someone trustworthy in the near future.

I remember being in my early twenties and single. Two of my friends were with squaddies. On a night out one of them said he could fix me up easily with a squaddie, his mate agreed. Shudder. I didn’t snort with laughter, I politely declined, but dear god I’m glad I was switched on enough to know that this was not my future. Both my friends husbands turned out to be awful. One was coercive, controlling and abusive. The other had multiple affairs.

pottymouth40 · 10/09/2024 10:19

ThePrologue · 10/09/2024 06:22

Well, aren't you a delightful little public service?
You have no right to throw a grenade into people's lives, it is not up to you to tell the wife. Your job is to tell the man you meet OLD, he is a shit if he is married, then to dump him.
Who are you to decide you can break up the family? Yes, hypothetically, in an ideal world, the betrayed wife would want to know, but maybe they don't.
Maybe you devastate their life with your 'news', and they have no support locally. No fanily or friends to go to, discuss with
She confronts her DH with your news. he beats her senseless...
You tell her your marvellous news, she commits suicide as she is devastated...
You tell her, she murders him...

The ramifications are endless, whereas your glee about your personal crusade is bordering on gratifying, yet you have not considered your actions

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I’m so glad most people don’t think like you.

Imagine a world where cheating, lying and threatening behaviour was never exposed through fear.

I wonder about the motives of posters like this.

DysonSphere · 10/09/2024 10:20

offyoujollywelltrot · 10/09/2024 05:56

It's absolutely rampant in the armed forces and the police. It's a power thing. This is why I refused to involve myself with anyone from those professions when I was still dating.

You learn useful stuff on MN. Thanks for this. I'll defo avoid.

MrsSunshine2b · 10/09/2024 10:21

CaptainKiddies · 10/09/2024 09:17

Professional standards, do you mean core values?

Vetting would make a note but unlikely to change much tbh.

The MOD will not impact someone's career without a conviction if it is a criminal matter. Revenge porn is a criminal matter.

There will be no consequences if a case isn't proven against him. A case can only be proven if the civilian police pursue charges, which is highly unlikely in this case.

Not sure why this is so hard to understand.

The military is not like telling a teacher and you get detention!!

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Sorry, no. I used to work in a team processing new applicants for my place of work and we had a lot of ex-military. Their own vetting teams absolutely keep a record of behaviour like this and would tell us about it.

In my own workplace, you'd immediately be suspended and investigated in these circumstances and if it was upheld you'd be dismissed. The military lets them get away with more, but it still gets recorded.

AtYourOwnRisk · 10/09/2024 10:23

Over40Overdating · 10/09/2024 10:09

All these paragons who have never sent a nude pic or knowingly encountered a married man on a dating app - your medal is in the post.

I don’t send nude pics. I am deeply suspicious of men online being who they say they are. I research. I do all the ‘right’ things and have still found myself dating married men pretending to be single.

As always on this site, when men’s behaviour is repeatedly found to be dubious, and in the case of threatening revenge porn, illegal, there will be a chorus of ‘but you must be to blame for this’ from other women.

It fits with the narrative discussed on one of the threads about the French rape case - the good woman and the nice guy. Good women follow the rules the nice guys set and think that keeps them safe from things like cheating, violence or social judgement and gives them the right to criticise women who step outside the ‘good woman’ box. It doesn’t.

This diatribe really isn’t necessary. Not sending nude photos to a man you barely know and don’t trust isn’t a matter of virtue or medal-winning, it’s common sense and self-preservation.

ShinyPebble32 · 10/09/2024 10:26

Wow, that’s really unsavoury to compare that dreadful case to posters simply suggesting the OP could have a bit more awareness about her online safety.

Chaiilatte · 10/09/2024 10:27

Tell his wife, what married woman would not want to know this information? He can't leak your photos anyway as it's a criminal offence, tell him you will be straight down the police station and then he will be short of a wife and be on the sex offenders register.

Bibi12 · 10/09/2024 10:28

Girlslikepearls · 10/09/2024 10:09

I am not relevant here.
I am not 47. I am not doing online dating.

You can disagree if you want to. That's fine. You are just another random stranger.

There are other posters who've got the same opinion as me.

There are some things that are just not right and - maybe you can just about understand this, but it looks as if you can't - the OP has posted because of those pics she sent. That's the whole point of her post (as well as telling his wife.)

If she or anyone wants to open themselves up to blackmail, fine, carry on sending boob pics.

But it's tacky and can lead to what's happened here.

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Ideas about what's right or wrong are not universal and change over time.
For me saying to another woman that her harmless behaviour is "not normal " and it "cheapens her " ( funny men never get cheapened, only women) is wrong and unnecessarly nasty. There is no other poster who put it that way. There are some who said it was "risky", which is fine and completely different to what you said.

I'm just another stranger on Internet that's why I don't judge people's private preferences as "not normal " or "tacky". It's not my place.

And OP didn't post because of the pictures she sent. She can't be blackmailed with random pictures of faceless boobs anyway. She posted asking people's opinion on informing cheated partner about the affair.

LBFseBrom · 10/09/2024 10:30

I agree with that though presumably there is no proof he threatened the op about the pictures. Nevertheless, the police will make note of it in case he tries it again.

The man's poor wife does need to know in this case, he is not a very savoury character, frankly. However please be prepared, op, for her already knowing and doesn't care as long as he pays bills and steps up with the children & other things. She may even have a 'private life'. It is amazing how often that is the case.

I am sorry you have gone through this, more than once. You must protect yourself and take action with this sleaze-ball, not out of vindictiveness but because it is right. People like him must be stopped, they do so much harm.

Better luck in the future, please learn to protect yourself and, for now, nurture yourself. x

nosmartphone · 10/09/2024 10:31

47 and sending pornographic photos and videos to a man you barely know.

Christ. When did standards drop so much?

Just bloody walk away. You're getting FAR too much attention from this whole thing. You're not so bloody classy yourself.

nosmartphone · 10/09/2024 10:33

Also, walk away to keep yourself safe. Seriously. Give your head a wobble.

And stop going out begging for men. Work on your long game.

Hillsmakeyoustrong · 10/09/2024 10:34

I think you did the right thing, especially as you approached her sensitively and with care. Honestly, having been a victim in a church myself (not sexual but emotionally and financially) I have met many a man who abused their senior position to control and manipulate members of the church. It took years to realise what was happening wasn't ok and two years of intense therapy thereafter. Given his behaviour towards you, it's not unreasonable to think he is not safe to be in this position of trust

PayYourselfFirst · 10/09/2024 10:35

All these paragons who have never sent a nude pic or knowingly encountered a married man on a dating app - your medal is in the post

No medal required.
It's basic boundaries and common sense

The Op is bemoaning these dreadful arrogant men, she noted early red flags and sent nudes after 6 weeks
Online dating is a cesspit
Keep your own boundaries, dont expect these men to do it for you

sunflowersngunpowdr · 10/09/2024 10:35

Exposing is right when it's done with good intentions. Too many women do it for revenge and or in the hope it will force him to leave. It's not just about the wife - if they have children blowing up the marriage mat not be in their best interests.

nosmartphone · 10/09/2024 10:36

Dweetfidilove · 10/09/2024 10:05

You're funny 🤣🤣🤣

She's right. It's actually embarrassing how many women on this thread think her behaviour is either a. ok or b. normal.

Choochoo21 · 10/09/2024 10:39

He then turned unexpectedly dark and said he had my intimate pics and videos so leave his wife alone.

Perhaps you should also be warning women not to send intimate photos with a guy you met online and you’ve only known for 6 weeks!

FWIW I do think the partners should be told - but only if it’s for the right reasons.

So many threads on here are from scorned women who want to ruin the relationship either to try and make him suffer or hope that the wife will kick him out and he’ll automatically go with the OP.

Bumblebeestiltskin · 10/09/2024 10:41

NonsuchCastle · 10/09/2024 04:41

The man is scum.
You are 47. Why did you send a man whom you have been seeing for 6 weeks intimate pics and vids? I can hardly believe you did that.

I'm 46 and I always share nudes in relationships or FWB situations, just because it's not YOUR thing, please don't try to shame other people. (Not that I imagine OP feels shame about it, and quite rightly so)

Choochoo21 · 10/09/2024 10:48

Bumblebeestiltskin · 10/09/2024 10:41

I'm 46 and I always share nudes in relationships or FWB situations, just because it's not YOUR thing, please don't try to shame other people. (Not that I imagine OP feels shame about it, and quite rightly so)

Sending nudes is fine but not to someone who you’ve only known for 6 weeks and didn’t even realise he was married living with his wife.

CaptainKiddies · 10/09/2024 10:52

MrsSunshine2b · 10/09/2024 10:21

Sorry, no. I used to work in a team processing new applicants for my place of work and we had a lot of ex-military. Their own vetting teams absolutely keep a record of behaviour like this and would tell us about it.

In my own workplace, you'd immediately be suspended and investigated in these circumstances and if it was upheld you'd be dismissed. The military lets them get away with more, but it still gets recorded.

Your workplace is irrelevant to how the military operates. So not pertinent to this situation in the slightest.

He's not applying for a new job and any accusation like this is unlikely to impact his career in the military unless it is upheld by a criminal conviction, which is very unlikely. It may be recorded but will not prevent him from serving.

You clearly have no idea about the internal processes of the military so please don't embarrass yourself further.

Dweetfidilove · 10/09/2024 10:54

nosmartphone · 10/09/2024 10:36

She's right. It's actually embarrassing how many women on this thread think her behaviour is either a. ok or b. normal.

I don't do pics and vids, but the OP finds them empowering and to each his own 🤷🏾‍♀️.

The bit I find funny is this:

Be realistic about biology, a 47-year old man, unfortunately, still a catch, still in his reproductive years, but a woman of 47 is not.

I see 47yo men chasing 47yo women all day long. This foolishness that women are not attracting men after a certain age is not something that bears out around me.

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 10/09/2024 10:57

MrsTerryPratchett · 10/09/2024 03:36

He then turned unexpectedly dark and said he had my intimate pics and videos so leave his wife alone.

Scum. I hope his wife leaves and never looks back.

That’s why it’s not a good idea to do it to my mind. Men can be fucking dangerous and I wouldn’t want to be routinely ruining the life of men who turn dark when exposed as liars and cheats.

Over40Overdating · 10/09/2024 10:57

@AtYourOwnRisk common sense for how you live your life.

Do you realise by stating things like that you are still saying it will be a woman’s fault more than a man’s if he chooses to publish those pictures?

And what you call diatribe other people might call sharing an opinion, and in this case based on experience. Do you also think women shouldn’t have those if they don’t adhere to what you deem the right and sensible behaviour first?

The behaviour and tone policing would be better directed elsewhere.

Getonwitit · 10/09/2024 10:57

XChrome · 10/09/2024 04:06

Great idea. I believe infidelity is considered conduct unbecoming in the military, so that alone could get him in hot water. With the revenge porn threats, he might even get a dishonourable discharge.

If the Armed forces disciplined every member that was unfaithful they wouldn't have time to do there day jobs.

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