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If a child discloses they feel unsafe when dad collects them from school, what should teachers do?

161 replies

Campari20 · 03/09/2024 08:45

Currently having major issues with DD going to overnight contact. She is scared and doesn't want to go. Clearly has articulated the reasons as to why to her father also but he refuses to listen to her.
Current contact is EOW Saturday to Sunday, one night. Handovers have been utterly awful.
I have submitted an application back to court to get the matter varied back to day contact, however still need to make her available for the current contact as awful as it is :( I am completely stuck.
I suggested a school pick up to DD instead as the problem is she becomes inconsolable at handovers when I am there.. it is also not a handover issue, it is a contact issue. Nevertheless, DD has told me that she will cry and scream and tell her teachers she doesn't feel safe going. Before I suggest this to her father, I was just wondering what the school would do if DD disclosed this upon pick up? would they make her go? keep her in the classroom and call me? The school are aware of the domestic history and do not think much of dad as he has called them ranting and raving about me etc. First day back of term today so not likely to get a call from school today so just wanted to know if anyone had experience of this.

OP posts:
CharlotteBog · 03/09/2024 17:15

GuestFeatu · 03/09/2024 17:12

Because the judge has already decided that contact is in the child's best interest and so if the mum obstructs that she risks being accused of parental alienation and having the child removed from her! It happens

I missed that the judge (despite all the evidence) said contact was in the child's best interest. So, safeguarding at school, social services, the GP and the police have been ineffective against a single Judge.

CharlotteBog · 03/09/2024 17:15

GuestFeatu · 03/09/2024 17:13

Again if you read the OP's posts that's what she's applied for

I did. I mean urgent TODAY.

WhereIsMyDaughter · 03/09/2024 17:17

@CharlotteBog As bad as this may sound, this wouldn't be urgent in the courts opinion. Not in the sense of being seen the same day.

Allthehorsesintheworld · 03/09/2024 17:19

GuestFeatu · 03/09/2024 15:40

It's private law. Social services have no jurisdiction and the OP has already applied for a hearing. Social workers cannot override a court order and they shouldn't be advising OP to breach the order either.

What is private law? ( sorry, lived out of UK a long time and only understand what I see on 24 hours in police custody etc)

GuestFeatu · 03/09/2024 17:28

Allthehorsesintheworld · 03/09/2024 17:19

What is private law? ( sorry, lived out of UK a long time and only understand what I see on 24 hours in police custody etc)

Private law means that the applicant is a parent or carer or other relative. Social services might be involved but not usually as a result of the court proceedings. Public law is also known as care proceedings where the applicant is the local authority. A local authority can't apply for a hearing in private proceedings.

Boomer55 · 03/09/2024 17:36

CharlotteBog · 03/09/2024 17:15

I did. I mean urgent TODAY.

It wouldn’t be seen as urgent. 🤷‍♀️

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 03/09/2024 17:39

If I were you I would try to make the handover happen in a public place with witnesses eg at a children's centre or library
You take daughter there and read to her and then dad comes to collect. If he can't persuade her to leave with him it's on her. If he has to pick her up and drag her off crying you have witnesses to this.

Campari20 · 03/09/2024 17:49

Lots of opinions on this thread which I'm grateful for but ultimately I have been in court proceedings with her father for almost all of her life. I've read and heard what's been said about me. The accusations of parental alienation. I've breached a court order in the very early days and was fortunately supported by cafcass at that time as we had a brilliant cafcass officer. This time around we have a biased Guardian who went against a professional recommendation of no overnight contact and recommended overnight contact based on the fact she believed I would look for any excuse to stop contact...

This time around, I've taken DD to every contact. Tried to encourage her to go, promoted him and contact to her, arranged third parties to do handovers because DD doesn't let go of me if I do.. I've explored a school handover. I've tried to get him to agree to day contact before attempting overnights again. I've returned the matter back to Court without any breach of the order. This I feel or I at least hope puts me in a far stronger and credible position to getting the overnights stopped.

OP posts:
KurtShirty · 03/09/2024 19:30

Well done OP, wish there was something that could be done to help. I have seen reports of mothers successfully requesting a change of guardian, it might be something to think about if this goes on.

I’m so sorry love

libertybonds · 03/09/2024 21:41

CharlotteBog · 03/09/2024 17:15

I missed that the judge (despite all the evidence) said contact was in the child's best interest. So, safeguarding at school, social services, the GP and the police have been ineffective against a single Judge.

Yes. This is how it works. And protective mothers accused of parental alienation have to make every move with the potential future prospect of this type of judge concluding that THEY are the problem, not the father who has committed proven abuse.

DWK123 · 03/09/2024 21:58

GuestFeatu · 03/09/2024 17:11

I'm a social worker and a good one, not perfect but good at my job. Cafcass workers are just social workers same as me but they get elevated in court to experts with no accountability. I've known a good number of social workers who burnt out in child protection and went to cafcass as it's an easy option. Shameful. In private proceedings cafcass is the only professional who reports to court and nobody reads and checks their reports. They can write the most awful biased rubbish based on poor knowledge of DV etc and nobody checks or corrects them. Nobody checks their recommendations at all. Whereas social workers in care proceedings have their reports checked by their manager and their lawyer before they are filed and recommendations Have to be agreed by senior managers. Cafcass is a shocking organisation and not fit for purpose at all. It's total luck of the draw who you get and how good they are. I'm not saying all are bad by no means but if you get a bad one you're screwed.

This doesn't surprise me.

Why do cafcass often blindly believe a Mother.

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