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To be suspicious of DH .. CONT..

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JustMissNobody · 20/08/2024 14:59

Hi all,
thank you for your replies, hints and tips. I’ve read them all and made notes. I’m doing ok at the moment, a bit anxious about solicitors app shortly. Had loads of work to catch up today, my heads been a bit foggy and not been able to focus fully.
managed to actually get a good nights sleep last night. Got in bed with a glass of wine and started reading your replies and just woke up this morning with my phone next to me. I don’t know what I’ve been running on but whatever it was must have run out last night!
To answer a few ppl we have 3 DD. 1 completely on dads side, 1 on the fence but thinks I’m acting a bit crazy and need to wait till dh is home to talk and if there is OW then agrees its over, 1 totally thinks he’s been an absolute arsehole and his actions are completely indefensible.
I’ve made a list of questions as suggested here and got all my paperwork together.
ive also found out that his family have been concerned about changes in his character for a while and suspicious of his behaviour and been asking him if he’s ok but he’s just been snappy with them and been avoiding them.
so maybe MH related or aware that his actions will disappoint his family breaking up a marriage of all these years for OW?

OP posts:
CasaBianca · 22/08/2024 13:00

I would also tell your DH that starting this months he will be the one paying rent/bills/food etc and doing the cooking/shopping/laundry and that you will happily contribute £400 (?) a month as he has been doing for years.
Any objection just say ‘you felt it was fair all these years, surly it is fair to take turns’.
If he says he doesn’t have the money, ask to see statements.

Nanny0gg · 22/08/2024 13:01

JustMissNobody · 21/08/2024 21:58

h and dc’s know all my passwords, PIN codes to everything. DC’s all have my online banking details of accounts etc. always have if they ever needed money in an emergency or if anything happened to me and they needed to access funds.
only secret I have is this user name on here.

That's bonkers! Even without all this going on

Please change them now!!

Nanny0gg · 22/08/2024 13:03

JustMissNobody · 21/08/2024 22:22

I can see I’ve stirred up a hornets nest here haha. I didn’t think it was abnormal, they’re my dd’s I love them more than life itself. Since I’ve been able to afford to they’ve had whatever they’ve needed if they’ve been unable to afford it themselves. I’ve always done whatever I can for them, I spoilt them with love and attention when I had no money and now I can add money to the mix when they need it. My GC get the same. They are my world.

So you choose to GIVE it to them, not allow free access.

Seriously, stop it!

Lougle · 22/08/2024 13:04

It's against your banking terms and conditions to share your details. If your children wiped your account (actually not that remote a possibility given the vile attitude your daughter is displaying), you'd have no cover if your bank found out. Not to mention that you'd have no way of proving which family member did it.

Please change your banking details today.

JustMissNobody · 22/08/2024 13:13

dd3 has 2 settings (in the simplest of terms)
she talks to me and treats me like shit a lot of the time, however we can sometimes have some lovely chats when she’s in the mood.
on the other hand, when it’s Christmas, my birthday, Mother’s Day she goes all out and buys me beautiful expensive gifts that’s she knows I love or things she knows I like and wouldn’t buy for myself.
when she buys me something though she always asks is it better than everyone else’s gift, makes it known she’s spent the most and made the most effort. And if I respond with ‘everything is lovely I love it all’ she gets the hump about it and you can see she’s upset that she wanted to win like it was some sort of competition.
i don’t understand her mindset with that as she gets more than anyone, more attention, more love, she just pushes me away every time I try to connect with her?
any psychologists in here 🤷‍♀️

OP posts:
TheGander · 22/08/2024 13:14

No way would I give access to my bank details to anyone. Not DH, not my sons, not my best friend. This is not normal OP. Financial boundaries are one of life’s necessities sadly.

JustMissNobody · 22/08/2024 13:16

OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 22/08/2024 12:43

@JustMissNobody

do you share the bedroom with him, does this mean you have to enter the bedroom to pack for your mini break or have you already packed

or do you now feel you are not going ?

I’ve already packed when I heard he was coming home today

OP posts:
OlderGlaswegianLivingInDevon · 22/08/2024 13:17

is it because she is the last of 3 and she needs to make sure you don't love the eldest most being your first.

which is silly as she is the bay of the family and the only one at home.

is she trying to buy your love / approval

SugarSage · 22/08/2024 13:18

From your last couple of posts it looks like you've both just grown apart over the years. Quite a few comments saying he's a monster, he treats you badly, no holidays etc., yet you've just confirmed he was kind, loving, funny and very invested in the family unit. He's back home, in bed, your daughter is at work, so just go and talk to him. By all means, still go to the spa later, why not?, he's apparently been away so fair's fair. I don't see any point in letting things fester, what is that going to solve? As far as your daughter goes, I'd have kicked her out of the house for treating me like crap and being disrespectful whilst your H was away, if it was one of mine. It's not like she's a kid, she's almost 27 and she's freeloading. Time for her to try proper adulting in the real world. I'm reading this thread with incredulation and checked the calendar that it's really August and not April 1st. He's home, it's just the two of you, you want answers - wake him up and get to talking.

WiddlinDiddlin · 22/08/2024 13:22

Don't go and talk to him - if you do, thats you nagging, you prying, you 'starting an argument'.

As tempting as it would be to fuck off without saying a word, as 'thats what we do now'... I would pop in and say 'Im off now, see you on ... x date'... so he cannot claim you didn't say you were going away and stick a note on the fridge saying same (not where, just when you'll be back.)

And then fuck off, relax, maybe peruse some property listings, give the landlord notice etc.

Stay strong OP, do not let this fucker slide back in and return to trundling along like the good little wifey!

Witchbitch20 · 22/08/2024 13:23

Such an upsetting thread to read.

I hope your ok OP and get some R&R on your break.

justjurate · 22/08/2024 13:24

DD3 situation is strange but not exceptionally rare. I've seen similar behaviour in the family I know. She enjoyed picking faults at her mother. Nothing ever enough.

Allthehorsesintheworld · 22/08/2024 13:25

Leave for your spa break as soon as you can. Try to relax and enjoy it.
Maybe decide to speak to him in a public place after the weekend ? State how you feel and what you want to happen then over to him. He’s got no audience there.
You’re doing brilliantly. Keep going.

MadinMarch · 22/08/2024 13:29

Honeysucklelane · 22/08/2024 09:49

@JustMissNobody

Of course your H doesn’t want to walk back into an argument, these types of men want to do whatever they like without someone querying their actions or expressing any kind of emotion about it. 🙄

I would tell him in no uncertain terms you are not arguing with him, you are telling him his actions really hurt you. Tell him this holiday came out of the blue for you and you’re hurt he didn’t discuss it or ask if you wanted to come. AND the fact after 34 years of no proper holidays he suddenly decided to take one now has hurt you.Tell him you have been worried sick about what’s going on with him.

He needs to know how much hurt and worry he’s caused you. Don’t let him off the hook or gaslight you into thinking you’re being unhinged - hundreds of comments on here show the majority think he’s in the wrong.

Hold your head high and don’t let him or your DD emotionally blackmail you.

I'm not sure the right word is "hurt" I'd describe it more as being treated with complete contempt by him (and daughter) and not just by his recent behaviour with going on holiday, but all the other stuff already mentioned on here- his financial abuse, his secrecy re his income/finances, his encouragement of his daughter to also treat you with contempt, and so on and so on....
This would be my starting point for any conversation with him, followed by telling him the actions I intend to take forthwith, in order to to take back my power, control of my life, and self esteem etc.
Enjoy your spa break and hope you can relax while there @JustMissNobody

mommatoone · 22/08/2024 13:29

OP I would totally ignore him. He sounds like a kid having a fuckin tantrum .Get your work done and go and enjoy your spa break. Don't tell anyone where you are going . Bear in mind, he won't like this though, seeing as he refers to you nagging (or whatever it was). He will not be expecting this change in you, and will be wondering what you have found out. Leave him to it , you don't owe him anything. He has behaved appallingly.

MyToesAreHotNotInaSexyWay · 22/08/2024 13:45

DD's behaviour with the present giving suggests that she feels insecure and is looking for reassurance. You probably have more insight than anyone else on this thread about what she feels insecure about.

But some ideas that come to mind are...could she have been affected by the financial insecurity caused by DH's gambling? It might have been scary for her to realise that she could not rely on a parent and made her feel unsafe. Her behaviour towards you might stem from her testing the boundaries to make sure you are reliable and are not going to leave her.

But also it could be that she is spoilt and feels entitled to treat you like this. Some parents feel like they have to sacrifice themselves to make their children happy and this results in a not very nice child and later adult who hasn't been taught to treat others well because a parent didn't put boundaries in place. But I don't want you to feel worse op, many mothers feel guilty if they are not doing everything for their child and it is done with the best intentions. Also your dh, the person who is meant to love and cherish you, should be pulling her up on her behaviour and being a role model of how to respect you. These are just musings so might be completely wide of the mark!

whyNotaNice · 22/08/2024 13:47

Don't go on any break. Start the process asap

KievLoverTwo · 22/08/2024 13:48

GET YOUR VALUABLES OUT OF THE HOUSE*

Remember in the other thread I told you about my exH who lied to me about hundreds of thousands of unpaid tax in order to get back with me and marry him? Your OH stropping straight off to bed is exactly what he would have done. Nasty flashback for me. He also refused to discuss relationship woes.

Rings, jewelry, gold, anything that can easily be sold, take them to the spa. When you get back take them to the office or round a friend’s house.

He literally tried to wrangle my rings off my hand when I told him the marriage was over - he was in a desperate financial state. If your OH has the financial woes we are expecting, desperation could lead to any lengths to get money.

The icing on the cake: I gave him a month to get him out. The only way I eventually got him to leave (“this is my home too, I am on the lease”) was by telling him I had photocopied all his Ltd Company papers and I would send them to HMRC if he didn’t leave. Funnily enough the worry of a potential jail term (at least, in his head) was enough to make him realise that he’d milked his last drop from his Cash Cow wife.

OneLilacPeer · 22/08/2024 13:50

JustMissNobody · 22/08/2024 13:13

dd3 has 2 settings (in the simplest of terms)
she talks to me and treats me like shit a lot of the time, however we can sometimes have some lovely chats when she’s in the mood.
on the other hand, when it’s Christmas, my birthday, Mother’s Day she goes all out and buys me beautiful expensive gifts that’s she knows I love or things she knows I like and wouldn’t buy for myself.
when she buys me something though she always asks is it better than everyone else’s gift, makes it known she’s spent the most and made the most effort. And if I respond with ‘everything is lovely I love it all’ she gets the hump about it and you can see she’s upset that she wanted to win like it was some sort of competition.
i don’t understand her mindset with that as she gets more than anyone, more attention, more love, she just pushes me away every time I try to connect with her?
any psychologists in here 🤷‍♀️

It sounds like she's buying gifts more to "win" at gift-giving than to truly show appreciation/love for you. Otherwise she wouldn't get bent out of shape by your diplomatic approach to thanking everyone! It feels more like trying to placate you so you keep doing everything for her the way she likes and, at this point, expects from you.

PolePrince55 · 22/08/2024 13:56

JustMissNobody · 21/08/2024 21:58

h and dc’s know all my passwords, PIN codes to everything. DC’s all have my online banking details of accounts etc. always have if they ever needed money in an emergency or if anything happened to me and they needed to access funds.
only secret I have is this user name on here.

If your not able to access funds due to death or less, isn't it against the law for them to without your say so?

Starfish125 · 22/08/2024 13:57

Regardless if there was never another woman I think your marriage needs to call it a day, he clearly has zero respect for you, neither does your daughter by the sounds of her behaviour to u (sorry to say) as u say they act like a little tag team taking the piss out of mum, well I hope you wipe the smiles off both their faces when you announce you want a divorce. No doubt they will say omg you're being so dramatic, just simply state well it's the last straw and things haven't been great for a while, clearly, otherwise why did he bugger off like that with no explanation? It's fucking bizarre and not normal at all you deserve wayyy better than this.

rainbowruthie · 22/08/2024 13:58

Sending you strength, it must be so odd that he is back in the house and hasn't even spoken to you, although maybe that is a blessing.
I hope that you are able to enjoy your spa break. Flowers

holrosea · 22/08/2024 14:13

With regard to DD's present buying, I'd add that many patriarchal societies make a big fuss of mothers and mothering. Even while treating them like crap, they can say that they revere women who give so much to their families, without actually having to support or compensate them.

Maybe making a big fuss of the milestone days is a smaller-scale version of this.

As PP have said, it also sounds more like a "I've done it better than anyone else" as opposed to being particularly thoughtful about your wants/needs. Although maybe deep down she knows she's being a cow so it's the guilt talking.

Other PP have said it is insecurity built from being the last child or previous financial insecurity, but at 26 she really should be:

  1. Making her own financial way and therefore be in more control, and
  2. Taking responsibility for her own behaviour. Many people had insecure backgrounds but don't bully their mum about it.
Jackolanterny · 22/08/2024 14:31

I think (and it’s just my opinion) that your DD is immature.

She’s immature because both society and you both as parents, have not encouraged her independence, as in, you are always there for her, ready to support financially etc.

On one hand this makes you normal loving parents. But think back to when you were 26…what was life like for you? I was getting married, had a son, had been working full time for 4 years, had supported MYSELF through uni and had been working in some capacity since the age of 14. I hadn’t taken a penny from my parents since my 18th birthday.

Today we see adults (26 year olds) as kids still. We mollycoddle them (as a society) and talk about them as if they are still teens. It’s the way society has gone sadly, but just imagine what this does to ones self esteem?! 26 and still living at home with parents, unable to get on the housing ladder and be truly independent.

Couple that with parents who have a cold relationship, where she may subconsciously feel that she has to try to keep them together, siding with the most temperamental and most likely to leave party most often, to try to keep them on side and present, and when the hurt parent complains, quieting them down to try to keep that boat steady.

She’s likely got low self esteem - and she likely sees financial generosity as her main sign of love, as there seems to be a big emphasis on that within the family, where the kids have access to the bank accounts.

So I would just say the at she’s immature, with low self esteem and perhaps some narcissistic tendencies learnt from her dad, and the fact as a generation, they’ve been told that they are special and win trophies for absolutely nothing.

But admittedly I’m just being an armchair psychologist and in no way have any professional idea of what I’m talking about, so I may be very wrong of course.

But if it’s any consolation, as a teacher of older ‘children’ I see similar types of behaviour in most, and I do blame the way we have gone as a society above everything.

coffeenootropics · 22/08/2024 14:39

Devilsadvocat · 22/08/2024 12:45

Firstly, have you ever been happy? It seems to me that all your family have not an ounce of respect for you and you have noone else to blame but yourself. Your DD is treating you like shit and you are letting her. You say you love her to bits but she obviously dosnt love you. I would throw her and your husband out. I dont think this is real though no one is such a carpet to be walked over as much as you make out.

I think it is unfair of those posters so maligning the DD. This is someone who’d have had a very fucked up childhood i would hazard a guess

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