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Feel that Dh friendship with woman is destroying our marriage

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gruffalo5 · 15/08/2024 12:35

Dh and I happily married for over 15 years, 3 dc. 2 years ago a woman joins dh workplace and they gradually become very good friends. She has Dh and dc. Last year I asked to borrow his phone for a number and saw her name (he hadn’t mentioned her at that point) to my shame I looked and saw their messages and there were so, so many, day and late into the evening. They weren’t particularly flirty but what hit me like a punch to the stomach was the obvious closeness and fondness they have for each other. Things they were both interested in going to see. My dh and I have always had that great friends kind of relationship as well as being married so I think it especially hurt. I owned up and asked him about it and he was really angry I’d looked and accused me of coercive control when I asked him to reduce the messaging. They see each other at work so why she has to send him photos on a Friday night and of what’s she’s up to at the weekend I don’t really understand.
He has other female friends which I’ve never thought twice about but there’s something about her that feels as though she’s pushing the boundaries and it’s creating such a wedge between us. Admittedly I’ve been very upset and over emotional and it was suggested I go on ADs which has helped me a bit but I still feel really upset as though she’s always there now, in the background. He says I’m destroying the marriage by being like this and nothing is happening with them, they are just mates. Just don’t know what to do, it all just makes me feel very sad and that maybe I’m not enough anymore.

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Psychoticbreak · 15/08/2024 17:46

Honestly the fact he is not listening to how this is making you feel, not stoping talking to her and chosing this friendship over your marriage is the biggest red flag going as far as I am concerned. He is being disrespectful to your clear wishes and turning it around on you calling you controlling is what jumps out at me. Men who get angry about something lilke this always have something to hide.

Pinkbonbon · 15/08/2024 17:56

I'd leave him for this.

There's really no reason for someone in a relationship to be this close with someone of the opposite sex.

(A good friend they've had for many years is fine to an extent. Probably still not this extent though).

Calling you controlling instead of moderating his hurtful behaviour the icing on the cake tbh.

I'd be out.

Takenoprisoner · 15/08/2024 18:00

StopInhalingRevels · 15/08/2024 15:42

Were you upset and over emotional before this happened?

Said in the voice of Dolores Umbridge?!

God, what a shitty comment to someone who is clearly being gaslit by her partner.

I feel disgusted at some of the comments on this thread from posters trying to downplay the affair. It's just more gaslighting of the type op's dh is guilty of.

I saw the thread on MRAs possibly targeting MN and think this might be one of the threads that has been hijacked by those sorts.

Mumlaplomb · 15/08/2024 18:02

I always think in these scenarios, how would he react to you doing the same with a male colleague? I can’t imagine he would be cool with it, as someone else has said. You aren’t being controling it’s a normal reaction and his behaviour is making you depressed.

gruffalo5 · 15/08/2024 18:02

He says I’m basically destroying our young family and marriage because he has a friend who happens to be a woman. Just doesn’t get it at all. In his eyes it’s my fault and I’m ruining everything. It was his suggestion I start the ADs but other people said it might help me too. I don’t want to break up our family, I’m a SAHM and the dc are still young. In everything else he’s great.

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gardenmusic · 15/08/2024 18:03

Every thread that goes on for a few pages and the poster gets 'too much attention' out they come! Tossers!

Mumlaplomb · 15/08/2024 18:04

gruffalo5 · 15/08/2024 18:02

He says I’m basically destroying our young family and marriage because he has a friend who happens to be a woman. Just doesn’t get it at all. In his eyes it’s my fault and I’m ruining everything. It was his suggestion I start the ADs but other people said it might help me too. I don’t want to break up our family, I’m a SAHM and the dc are still young. In everything else he’s great.

You’re vulnerable as a stay at home mum and I wonder if he thinks he can get away with this excessive “friendship” because of this. Maybe start looking for a job so you have more independence and can make decisions without worrying about your source of income.

SamW98 · 15/08/2024 18:05

gruffalo5 · 15/08/2024 18:02

He says I’m basically destroying our young family and marriage because he has a friend who happens to be a woman. Just doesn’t get it at all. In his eyes it’s my fault and I’m ruining everything. It was his suggestion I start the ADs but other people said it might help me too. I don’t want to break up our family, I’m a SAHM and the dc are still young. In everything else he’s great.

He does get it OP he fully understands but daddy this woman is so much higher a priority he doesn’t care.

Hes breaking up the family if this continues - not you

gardenmusic · 15/08/2024 18:10

In everything else he’s great.

What's left, OP?
What is left after gaslighting, making you ill, blaming you for his inappropriate (to say the least) relationship, and not caring enough to see that he is making you very unhappy?
What is it he is great at?
I can understand that you do not want to put a shot across his bows for fear of precipitating anything, but your alternative is to put up and shut up. He is determined to blame you, anyway.

gruffalo5 · 15/08/2024 18:11

a week ago I asked him to make an excuse to her about not replying to her texts and he refused as it would be embarrassing for her and upset her as there was nothing going on.

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Joeylove88 · 15/08/2024 18:11

Always trust your gut instinct OP and if you feel strongly that something doesn't sit right with this 'friendship' then you have every right to express this and your H should be listening and trying to understand your concerns instead of telling you that you are destroying your marriage which is ridiculous. I agree with what others have said in terms of does he message his male friends at all times of the day and night? Would he be okay with you having this sort of friendship with another male? These are the sort of questions to be asking him. If he says yes to these then I would honestly call his bluff and Crack on with messaging other males. Because fuck it why should you sit there worrying and not have your feelings prioritized whilst he's off texting this woman and trying to prove he can do what he wants? He is disrespectful, manipulative and quite frankly being a bully towards you. Alternatively you could say you would like to Meet and get to know her and see how that plays out but it's the lack of boundaries that would be a red flag for me so unless he's prepared to respect your feelings and act appropriately then maybe you should consider if you want to carry on the marriage.

PaminaMozart · 15/08/2024 18:14

You need to find your anger, @gruffalo5 !

And your inner steel.

Also, you'd be wise to go back to work and ensure you are no longer dependent on him.

Economic independence means power. Power to walk away if it all gets too much.

Don't wait until the decision is taken out of your hands...

LlamaNoDrama · 15/08/2024 18:16

Sounds like an emotional affair to me

gruffalo5 · 15/08/2024 18:18

Thank you everyone who’s commented. It’s good to know I’m not going completely mad. It feels like I am sometimes and that she’s his priority. I’m going away next weekend with some friends and going to have a solid think about this all.

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Zow · 15/08/2024 18:28

Widowedwarrior83 · 15/08/2024 12:50

Wait your husband is sneeky and chatting late into the night with another woman....

And your the one in trouble and on antidepressants.

Seriously that's fucked up and he is a cunt. And he is the controlling one. You have 3 children you grew and gave birth too that's a power he can never take so go and remember that strength and stop taking his bullshit.

100% this. ^ It's an emotional affair @gruffalo5 and will eventually turn physical if it carries on ... At this point I would be telling him that he is not far off being a divorcee if he carries on. What a fucking shitty way to treat you. And putting the blame on you and accusing you of coercive control?! Vile. 😖 How fucking dare he?! I bet he wouldn't behave like this, swapping photos and flirty chummy texts with a fucking MALE friend. The pp is right, he is a cunt.

pinkfluffymonkey · 15/08/2024 18:30

You're not going mad at all.

The best thing you can do is take control of the situation. You've said your bit and the only thing he wants to change is you. Don't fall for it.

As someone has said upthread, I would seriously consider getting back to work as a first step.

KaleQueen · 15/08/2024 18:31

gruffalo5 · 15/08/2024 18:11

a week ago I asked him to make an excuse to her about not replying to her texts and he refused as it would be embarrassing for her and upset her as there was nothing going on.

Oh god I has that too initially.
i said ‘no her constantly texting is embarrassing tbh has she not got anything better to do?’ I also said ‘so you feeling slightly uncomfortable at not replying to the odd text is more important than our marriage. Okay. Got you’
and walked out of the room and didn’t speak to him for the rest of the day. Harsh but needed doing: some battles are worth fighting

youlied · 15/08/2024 18:32

Read up on "The Script" too. This is what followed on from my ExH and text messages to the OW. The fact that they schemed to cover their tracks too and he made me out to be paranoid and unreasonable!

Oblahdeeoblahdoe · 15/08/2024 18:33

gruffalo5 · 15/08/2024 13:13

In fairness he said he lied about her being there too that evening as it would have upset me and he didn’t want to do that. He insists it was just a group of mates.
But the fact he lied hits hard.

So he does understand how it might hurt you! Who were the other people? Couples or just random colleagues? If the latter why not mention her? He's totally gaslighting you and telling you to go in AD! I'd fucking give him a new one.

gruffalo5 · 15/08/2024 18:34

Had a similar conversation KaleQueen and was told I was being controlling

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Whatisthefuss · 15/08/2024 18:34

I could have wrote this exact thread a year ago. I ended up contacting the OW myself - I went out for a few drinks one evening and no surprises they had been messaging until 1 in the morning - more her than him , she clearly had been drinking and was overly comfortable and friendly messaging her own boss (my DH) at that time of night . Fully knowing we had a new born and a son and I wasn’t home. I asked him leading up to this several times to back away , people at work were talking as well and reflected badly on him. He had plenty of chances to do this, so I contacted her myself - long story short she was a massive social climber just trying to have her in his good books for whatever she was planning - same with a lot of the other men in the work place who had substantial roles . She cried about me contacting her for weeks , I gave him an ultimatum and then he realised how he looked and what people were saying . Absolute conniving *** , it grew thin on everyone and she now no longer works there .

I was gaslit for months leading up to this , I was the paranoid wife , causing problems etc . He must have hit his head and woke up with some sense lol she’s long gone tormenting some other business now and she’s doing the exact same.

stand your ground !

sunflowersngunpowdr · 15/08/2024 18:34

gruffalo5 · 15/08/2024 18:02

He says I’m basically destroying our young family and marriage because he has a friend who happens to be a woman. Just doesn’t get it at all. In his eyes it’s my fault and I’m ruining everything. It was his suggestion I start the ADs but other people said it might help me too. I don’t want to break up our family, I’m a SAHM and the dc are still young. In everything else he’s great.

I think no matter what happens with your situation you should look in to getting back to work asap. You are in a vulnerable position atm because you rely on him for income. Personally if this was my husband I would ask him to stop the co start messaging or we separate, I'd not be having that level of disrespect from my own husband. Boundaries, standards and expectations - have them.

KaleQueen · 15/08/2024 18:35

gruffalo5 · 15/08/2024 18:02

He says I’m basically destroying our young family and marriage because he has a friend who happens to be a woman. Just doesn’t get it at all. In his eyes it’s my fault and I’m ruining everything. It was his suggestion I start the ADs but other people said it might help me too. I don’t want to break up our family, I’m a SAHM and the dc are still young. In everything else he’s great.

Aggghhh! You’re not destroying the marriage, he is! Ffs you’re not banning him from working with her that would be controlling. You’re asking him ti behave like a fucking married man not some loved up teenager. The more I’ve heard today the angrier I’ve got for you. I think others would agree. Find your anger and use it. We’re all behind you. Line in the sand time. Pull back. Freeze him out. Tell him to grow the fuck up get his head out of his arse and his phone, focus on you, and the kids or HE loses HIS family as you’ve had enough.

KaleQueen · 15/08/2024 18:38

gruffalo5 · 15/08/2024 18:34

Had a similar conversation KaleQueen and was told I was being controlling

I was told I was literally insane. I know im not insane and I like you had ZERO issues with any female friends or previous or current attractive colleagues but this one….this one…I just knew. Do not let him destroy your mind. Hold your line. He needs to realise what he’s doing, the impact it’s having and it needs to stop.

gruffalo5 · 15/08/2024 18:38

We’ve had huge rows about this. I’ve asked him to choose her or me and he refuses saying I’m being erratic and off my head and he won’t be told who he can be mates with. That she as well as his other friends are important to him and I have to deal with that.

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