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Feel that Dh friendship with woman is destroying our marriage

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gruffalo5 · 15/08/2024 12:35

Dh and I happily married for over 15 years, 3 dc. 2 years ago a woman joins dh workplace and they gradually become very good friends. She has Dh and dc. Last year I asked to borrow his phone for a number and saw her name (he hadn’t mentioned her at that point) to my shame I looked and saw their messages and there were so, so many, day and late into the evening. They weren’t particularly flirty but what hit me like a punch to the stomach was the obvious closeness and fondness they have for each other. Things they were both interested in going to see. My dh and I have always had that great friends kind of relationship as well as being married so I think it especially hurt. I owned up and asked him about it and he was really angry I’d looked and accused me of coercive control when I asked him to reduce the messaging. They see each other at work so why she has to send him photos on a Friday night and of what’s she’s up to at the weekend I don’t really understand.
He has other female friends which I’ve never thought twice about but there’s something about her that feels as though she’s pushing the boundaries and it’s creating such a wedge between us. Admittedly I’ve been very upset and over emotional and it was suggested I go on ADs which has helped me a bit but I still feel really upset as though she’s always there now, in the background. He says I’m destroying the marriage by being like this and nothing is happening with them, they are just mates. Just don’t know what to do, it all just makes me feel very sad and that maybe I’m not enough anymore.

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WallaceinAnderland · 15/08/2024 15:56

I don't think marriage counselling is a good idea with this man. He will put all the blame on OP and she will believe it because of her current vulnerable state.

I think you should start thinking about a separation OP. It doesn't have to go that far but if you find out where you stand, financially etc. it will show him that you're serious.

What is your housing and work situation?

Izzynohopanda · 15/08/2024 15:59

@KaleQueen i’d been sneaking a look at his phone as well.

Can you ask to borrow it one evening ‘when yours is upstairs on charge’ to check the weather forecast/train times/who was the actor playing x in z film etc? Or even just to make a phone call. How easily he hands it over, or makes an excuse not to will be telling.

hotpotlover · 15/08/2024 16:03

Haven't RTFT, but is she quite attractive?

Men never seem to have these type of intense friendships with 60 year old Bob from accounting.

Starlight1979 · 15/08/2024 16:09

WallaceinAnderland · 15/08/2024 15:56

I don't think marriage counselling is a good idea with this man. He will put all the blame on OP and she will believe it because of her current vulnerable state.

I think you should start thinking about a separation OP. It doesn't have to go that far but if you find out where you stand, financially etc. it will show him that you're serious.

What is your housing and work situation?

Agree. Don't do marriage counselling OP. He will just tell the counsellor you're anxious and paranoid and need help with your mental health. Anything to cover up him being in the wrong...

MilkyCappuchino · 15/08/2024 16:10

well, it is emotional love , not necessarily affair but it is a form of love

safetyfreak · 15/08/2024 16:12

The fact he is putting this 'friendship' above your marriage, tells you everything you need to know.

gardenmusic · 15/08/2024 16:18

OP ignore the goads - .the 'alternatives'. They always turn up when a poster is getting 'too much attention' and try to derail by causing an argument.

Listen to the vast majority, they understand, and agree with you - this is not all right. Most of us would not accept it.

For what it's worth, I think it's two idiots, giving each other an ego boost.

MintyNew · 15/08/2024 16:24

He's fierce protection over this friendship is exactly what your gut is telling you. He's choosing to put that over your feelings. He is protecting his connection with this woman, it sounds like an emotional affair. Even though it's nothing flirty it doesn't mean it's not an EA

gruffalo5 · 15/08/2024 16:26

I think deep down I know. Makes me think does she know what she’s doing to us or even care?

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PeggyMitchellsCameo · 15/08/2024 16:28

I have two whole male friends I have had for years. Mates long before I met my DP.
Both have their own wives/partners.
Here’s the difference. If I speak to either or message them I tell my DP. He doesn’t ask or pry, but I am
also very open.
He has two female friends at his hobby group and it works both ways.
But to work with someone all week and then be sending messages on Friday/over weekends is different. People get a ‘dopamine hit’ from these messages even if they aren’t overtly flirty. If they find that person attractive, they are messaging constantly.
How would he feel if you were doing the same?
It’s not controlling to be upset.
If you told him he could have no female friends and policed where he was and what he was doing and snooped on his phone/devices/emails then that’s an issue. But you aren’t doing that.
There was a similar thread on here a couple of months ago and in the end the lady was right to be concerned.
It might not be the same here, but trust your instincts, OP.

ginasevern · 15/08/2024 16:30

OptimismvsRealism · 15/08/2024 13:30

This sort of thing is why men struggle to maintain friendships!

He's entitled to social contact with other people.

It can be weird seeing our partners ' private correspondence with other people but the answer is not to look.

Give it a rest. They don't usually struggle to get their end away, or at least try it on, most of the time. It's a perfectly reasonable expectation in most marriages that your husband or wife does not message someone of the opposite sex morning noon and night, especially if that makes the other person highly uncomfortable. That's not denying someone the right to friendship. For fuck sake get a grip.

hotpotlover · 15/08/2024 16:31

gruffalo5 · 15/08/2024 16:26

I think deep down I know. Makes me think does she know what she’s doing to us or even care?

I think she probably likes the attention and both enjoy playing with the danger of "the forbidden fruit", but it's your husband that's to blame. If it wasn't her, it would be someone else.

Omgblueskys · 15/08/2024 16:33

gruffalo5 · 15/08/2024 16:26

I think deep down I know. Makes me think does she know what she’s doing to us or even care?

She 💯 knows wat she's doing, she's getting the same 'buzz' as husband, how cheeky texting in your family time, sorry OP, we're is the respect for you, pair of cheeky tw@ts , sorry for language, fulming for you

gardenmusic · 15/08/2024 16:40

OptimismvsRealism · Today 13:30
This sort of thing is why men struggle to maintain friendships!
He's entitled to social contact with other people.
It can be weird seeing our partners ' private correspondence with other people but the answer is not to look.

Don't be so stupid. Friendship my backside.
Where are his hairy male drinking companions? Or his fellow model rail enthusiasts? He's not discussing the cricket or how to barbeque with his male colleagues. No, it has to be a woman he's obsessed with.
Honestly, 'This sort of thing' smacks of 'You people' setting yourself up as the voice of reason, when in fact you are the voice of idiocy.

lemonsaretheonlyfruit · 15/08/2024 16:53

I have 4 things to add here.

Firstly I have a male colleague that I have worked with for years. I am single and have been for a long time. We do get on well and I have a feeling there is some attraction there on his part. For me it's nothing more than a nice / funny friendship. I am respectful of his marriage. Have met his wife and always ask questions about his wife/ family. In addition, I would never message him outside of working hours or at weekends.. that's his family time plus I would never want his wife to think it was anything more than it is.

Secondly - people have suggested marriage counselling. My ex cheated on me whilst I was pregnant. When we went to counselling, the counsellor said something that has stuck with me - he said that he wished seeing a MG counsellor would stop being such a stigma. How he wishes couples would have a yearly meeting with a counsellor to communicate openly and honestly, air any grievances when there were really no big issues or problems - like an MOT for a car. I thought that spoke a lot of sense!

Thirdly. No it doesn't sound like there is anything going on there, but I really understand your feelings over things they have in common and how they seemingly 'click'.

Fourthly - when I had an inkling that my ex was having an affair - I told him I was uncomfortable with the level and nature of contact that he was having with a colleague. Then he went out with a 'group of colleagues' at a weekend .. not a usual activity for him. When I asked him outright he told me that if I carried on with my paranoia then I would destroy our marriage. It's quite a common thing and completely born out of guilt.

I know you'll keep an eye on it and i don't know what to advise but I hope it works out ok for you.

ZoeLoey · 15/08/2024 17:00

Just accusing me of coercive control would tell me he's not my friend. He's emotionally cheating on you. Get out now.

gruffalo5 · 15/08/2024 17:02

Dh says people message whenever they want, doesn’t mean anything if it’s at weekends etc.
lemonsaretheonlyfruit - that fourth comment is so familiar

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KaleQueen · 15/08/2024 17:13

It’s so shit, I’m so sorry. Your comment about a possible move that ‘gave you hope it would all end’ then fell through really resonated with me. It demonstrates the depth of despair you feel and just want this all to disappear. Really feel for you xx

Dery · 15/08/2024 17:18

@gruffalo5 - your DH is taking the piss. Emotional affairs are a thing. That’s what he’s doing. I have some good male friends. No way would we be communicating late at night or extensively at weekends and whipping up a whirlwind of emotional intimacy, because it would be disrespectful to our own spouses and also theirs. Given he’s happy for you to be on ADs over this relationship, I’m thinking he’s not the good husband you have previously thought him to be.

You might find matching his energy gets him thinking. It may feel like game-playing but it might help you to fill your life with other people and things. At the moment, he’s taking you and your relationship completely for granted. He plainly thinks you will always be there no matter what - after all, you’ve got yourself medicated to make things easier for him. This might help him realise that he shouldn’t just assume he’ll always be at the centre of your life no matter what. Take some power back.

FlyLice · 15/08/2024 17:22

User6874356 · 15/08/2024 13:24

He’s not prioritizing another woman tho. He wants to have space to have his own friends without op telling him no and going through his phone

That’s not how good marriages work.

workshy46 · 15/08/2024 17:33

Sorry I don't know anyone, male or female who messages one person day and night after spending all day with them. I had many great friends in work, male and female and literally not one would I be texting like that. The odd text maybe but it is not normal behavior, on any level. Like it would NEVER EVER HAPPEN that he would text a guy in work all night, weekends etc after spending all day with him

ManchesterGirl2 · 15/08/2024 17:36

workshy46 · 15/08/2024 17:33

Sorry I don't know anyone, male or female who messages one person day and night after spending all day with them. I had many great friends in work, male and female and literally not one would I be texting like that. The odd text maybe but it is not normal behavior, on any level. Like it would NEVER EVER HAPPEN that he would text a guy in work all night, weekends etc after spending all day with him

Exactly. This behaviour happens right at the start of a relationship when it's new and exciting and you're falling in love with them. Not in a standard friendship.

pinkfluffymonkey · 15/08/2024 17:39

gruffalo5 · 15/08/2024 16:26

I think deep down I know. Makes me think does she know what she’s doing to us or even care?

I would stop focusing on her.

It's your DH's behaviour you need to concentrate on.

gardenmusic · 15/08/2024 17:41

User6874356 · Today 13:24
He’s not prioritizing another woman tho. He wants to have space to have his own friends without op telling him no and going through his phone

Not only is he prioritising being in contact with a female 'friend' he is doing it to the detriment of his marriage and his wife's health.
You know you are talking bollocks. You are just trying to be 'cool', or goading.

gruffalo5 · 15/08/2024 17:42

I’ve spent the last few months being told I’m paranoid and controlling and to hear so many opposing views is helpful.
Perhaps meeting her again will show me what really ‘there’. I felt like messaging her and asking but was told no way

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