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Feel that Dh friendship with woman is destroying our marriage

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gruffalo5 · 15/08/2024 12:35

Dh and I happily married for over 15 years, 3 dc. 2 years ago a woman joins dh workplace and they gradually become very good friends. She has Dh and dc. Last year I asked to borrow his phone for a number and saw her name (he hadn’t mentioned her at that point) to my shame I looked and saw their messages and there were so, so many, day and late into the evening. They weren’t particularly flirty but what hit me like a punch to the stomach was the obvious closeness and fondness they have for each other. Things they were both interested in going to see. My dh and I have always had that great friends kind of relationship as well as being married so I think it especially hurt. I owned up and asked him about it and he was really angry I’d looked and accused me of coercive control when I asked him to reduce the messaging. They see each other at work so why she has to send him photos on a Friday night and of what’s she’s up to at the weekend I don’t really understand.
He has other female friends which I’ve never thought twice about but there’s something about her that feels as though she’s pushing the boundaries and it’s creating such a wedge between us. Admittedly I’ve been very upset and over emotional and it was suggested I go on ADs which has helped me a bit but I still feel really upset as though she’s always there now, in the background. He says I’m destroying the marriage by being like this and nothing is happening with them, they are just mates. Just don’t know what to do, it all just makes me feel very sad and that maybe I’m not enough anymore.

OP posts:
gruffalo5 · 15/08/2024 15:15

He messages his best (male) friend and his brother a lot so he’s on his phone quite a bit. Either that or on his phone playing games. I think the problem is I don’t know if or who he’s messaging and I think it’s her. Paranoia?? He promises it isn’t but still sits there on the phone.
I think the whole thing has just damaged us so much.

OP posts:
youlied · 15/08/2024 15:16

This is exactly how the affair with my ExH began, messages, then messages at inappropriate times then phonically to and from work. Not wanting to believe he would ever do that to me before long he prioritised her and her needs. Then came the textbook change in behaviour and subsequent Script. We 're no divorced and he is with her!! Trust your gut it's never wrong!

gruffalo5 · 15/08/2024 15:25

When they went out as a group they went to a comedy nite and all drank and I’m meant to be cool with all that. Except I’m really not. But I have to hide it cos if I say anything he walks out the room/goes for a walk

OP posts:
Tulipsareredvioletsarebue · 15/08/2024 15:27

gruffalo5 · 15/08/2024 15:25

When they went out as a group they went to a comedy nite and all drank and I’m meant to be cool with all that. Except I’m really not. But I have to hide it cos if I say anything he walks out the room/goes for a walk

The fact he goes out for a drink and has good time is not an issue.
I think you also need to go out. Get a nanny, get him to babysit as YOU go and meet new people and enjoy yourself. If you are stuck at home and he is going of to have a blast, the resentment is only building up.

PaminaMozart · 15/08/2024 15:29

I think one of the earliest responses nails it - you are...
watching from the sidelines as what feels like a slow moving car crash unfolds. Interesting that you’ve been blamed and are now on ADs because of what he’s doing - much easier to make you the problem instead of owning up to the reality - which is basically him developing a strong bond with another woman who isn’t you.

I fear your relationship with your husband may be damaged beyond repair. It will continue to eat away at you, and you are powerless to stop it.

You may drift on for years, but some point you will likely reach a watershed moment where you'll be forced into a decision. And this may happen even if the relationship remains 'platonic'. The damage has already been done.

Porridgey · 15/08/2024 15:30

gruffalo5 · 15/08/2024 15:25

When they went out as a group they went to a comedy nite and all drank and I’m meant to be cool with all that. Except I’m really not. But I have to hide it cos if I say anything he walks out the room/goes for a walk

That, I wouldn't object to, would see as a good sign (provided they definitely were out as a group). IME APs or those having EAs don't want to waste their precious time together in a group.

Starlight1979 · 15/08/2024 15:30

Porridgey · 15/08/2024 14:53

Yes, that was my point.

Sorry I missed the sarcasm in your post - it's been a long day😂

YesThatsATurdOnTheRug · 15/08/2024 15:30

I think the way he's responded to this speaks such volumes. If it's nothing why can't he be kind about it? Why so angry and defensive? Just because it's not sexual doesn't mean it's not special to him and it's not surprising that hurts as that's the way you're used to being special to him, that closeness and emotional intimacy.

Omgblueskys · 15/08/2024 15:31

KaleQueen · 15/08/2024 13:18

Been there. Totally get you. His anger speaks volumes. If it was innocent he wouldn’t get so defensive. I’m not saying anything physical has happened but there’s clearly a connection there that goes beyond colleagues. If he’d been such good ‘friends’ with her why not mention this. That would be normal. I know where you’re coming from. Many others giving advice may not have experienced that gut wrenching feeling you’ve described. Very easy for them to give black and white advice if they haven’t walked this awful path, watching from the sidelines as what feels like a slow moving car crash unfolds. Interesting that you’ve been blamed and are now on ADs because of what he’s doing - much easier to make you the problem instead of owning up to the reality - which is basically him developing a strong bond with another woman who isn’t you. So now instead of a ‘you and him’ situation you’ve got a ‘him and her’ situation and you’re sitting on the outside of this ‘friendship’ looking on thinking wtf is going on. If they’re such good friends then he should have no issue with you meeting her. If he has got a problem with that and refuses, then you know you’ve got a problem.

Edited

Totally this

Toptotoe · 15/08/2024 15:31

Myfavouriteflowers · 15/08/2024 12:55

But it's not you that's destroying your marriage.
You are his wife and his primary relationship should therefore be with you.

You are uncomfortable with his relationship with this this woman and you have asked him to pull back from it. He has refused to do this and therefore he is telling you his relationship with this woman is more important to him than his relationship with you
.
You can't make him withdraw from his relationship with her but you can question whether you want to stay in a marriage where another woman is more important to your DH than you.

I agree with this.

Starlight1979 · 15/08/2024 15:33

gruffalo5 · 15/08/2024 15:25

When they went out as a group they went to a comedy nite and all drank and I’m meant to be cool with all that. Except I’m really not. But I have to hide it cos if I say anything he walks out the room/goes for a walk

Yeah sorry but I wouldn't believe there was any "group" on that night out. Any money it was just the two of them.

5128gap · 15/08/2024 15:33

When a heterosexual man forms a very close friendship with a woman there is always a risk that his feelings and behaviour will cross the boundaries most people would want in a marriage. Not a certainty, but obviously a risk. It happens very frequently as many people will tell you.
Just because people will come on here waxing lyrical about their own completely platonic friendships, doesn't make the risk any less with your Hs friendship.
The fact is, the people telling you you are wrong havent got the first clue how these two total strangers feel about each other. Your H is already crossing boundaries by insisting on maintaining what is an unusually intense relationship with another woman, responding defensively, lying and gaslighting you to make you think its your MH that's the problem. When in reality a LOT of people would be uncomfortable with this and they are not all in need of medication.
That said, other than issue him with an ultimatum in which I think you will lose, I don't know what you can do other than accept this woman is a part of your marriage and hope it goes no further, or leave of your own accord.
I'm sorry this is happening to you. You must feel very hurt to have lost so much of his time and headspace to this relationship, and so frustrated that you're powerless and its getting turned into a you problem.

Myfavouriteflowers · 15/08/2024 15:34

gruffalo5 · 15/08/2024 15:25

When they went out as a group they went to a comedy nite and all drank and I’m meant to be cool with all that. Except I’m really not. But I have to hide it cos if I say anything he walks out the room/goes for a walk

I can't believe some pp have actually called OP controlling when every update OP posts reveals more dreadful behaviour by her DH. He is desperately trying to control the narrative.

He really is using abuse tactics OP. Refusing to discuss your concerns, telling you that you are mentally unwell. This OW really must be of over riding importance to him if he is willing to destroy you rather than draw back from this emotional affair with her.

SamW98 · 15/08/2024 15:35

Starlight1979 · 15/08/2024 15:33

Yeah sorry but I wouldn't believe there was any "group" on that night out. Any money it was just the two of them.

Have to admit that thought crossed my mind

youlied · 15/08/2024 15:36

My exH called her the minute we landed from a holiday abroad! A holiday he didn't want to go on. Talk about prioritising her!! He also frequently claimed it was all innocent and that I was being unreasonable in having a problem with him communicating with her.
I can still feel that just punched feeling when I saw he was on WhatsApp at 5.30am messaging her!

AdviceKneaded · 15/08/2024 15:38

gruffalo5 · 15/08/2024 15:25

When they went out as a group they went to a comedy nite and all drank and I’m meant to be cool with all that. Except I’m really not. But I have to hide it cos if I say anything he walks out the room/goes for a walk

Your DH went on a night out with friends and you're not ok with that?

In isolation I would say thatr's pretty controlling behaviour. However, from what you've said it seems he's not really present when you are together, if he's always on his phone, and so you're understandbly feeling ignored and undervalued.

I feel this is the heart of the issue. If he was spending the majority of his evening engaging and chatting with you I suspect the texting wouldn't be a big issue.

WallaceinAnderland · 15/08/2024 15:40

Your DH went on a night out with friends and you're not ok with that?

You may have missed the bit where he lied about her being there.

Leanmeansmitingmachine · 15/08/2024 15:40

He’s balls deep in an emotional affair. He is obsessed with her. Because they both have spouses and children and it hasn’t turned physical, he can convince himself it is innocent and he’s done nothing wrong. But his anger at you when you asked him to stop is much like that of an addict shouting ‘I don’t have a problem!’, before he turned it back on you.

StopInhalingRevels · 15/08/2024 15:42

Were you upset and over emotional before this happened?

Said in the voice of Dolores Umbridge?!

God, what a shitty comment to someone who is clearly being gaslit by her partner.

SerenityNowInsanityLater · 15/08/2024 15:45

Oh OP. Each update is more upsetting than the last. Your feelings are totally valid.
My immediate thought is: I wonder how long he thinks he can keep gaslighting you as a means of diverting your energy and attention away from his deception. He hasn’t been successful. I think you’re already gearing up to face your worst fear.

Greenhedge1 · 15/08/2024 15:47

You are married to a selfish twat.
HE is wrecking your marriage, make no mistake.
Good men do not behave like this.
Twats do.
So sad you are on medication because your husband is clearly having an emotional affair with this woman.

I hope you work.
Get some counselling to support you.
He is not putting his family first.

Thinkpositivethoughts1 · 15/08/2024 15:48

I really feel for you op, I had a similar situation with my Dh.
I think your DH should do a better job of making you his priority. Tell him you find her messages and photos etc an intrusion into what should be family time and that you want it to stop.
I don’t believe he’d have such an intense phone relationship with a male; he’s acting like a single man.
Ask him what he’d think if you found another man to chat to online; I doubt he’d like it. Just be firm.

Omgblueskys · 15/08/2024 15:50

Thinkpositivethoughts1 · 15/08/2024 15:48

I really feel for you op, I had a similar situation with my Dh.
I think your DH should do a better job of making you his priority. Tell him you find her messages and photos etc an intrusion into what should be family time and that you want it to stop.
I don’t believe he’d have such an intense phone relationship with a male; he’s acting like a single man.
Ask him what he’d think if you found another man to chat to online; I doubt he’d like it. Just be firm.

This

KaleQueen · 15/08/2024 15:51

Hate to be the one to suggest this and get jumped on by the ‘privacy’ brigade. But can you get his phone to check it? Look at deleted messages. Also - little hack I got told. If he’s using text message then if you go in and start a contact search (as if you’re about to send a text) with a full stop (.) it’ll bring up the last person you messaged and the most frequently messaged.
with WhatsApp…you can do the same. Just start a blank message and it’ll suggest your most regular contacts.
so you can see if he really is reducing contact or not.

museumum · 15/08/2024 15:51

You cannot ban him from having friends (or even just this friend) and expect him to be ok with that, but you also cannot go on the way you are and you bo ok with that.

I honestly think the ONLY way forward is to have a serious course of marriage counselling. I suspect you feel so sad because all has not been perfect in your marriage - you're missing feeling like he's your best friend, and he's missing something if he is looking elsewhere. Look at counselling sessions to explore your marriage more broadly (not specifically this friendship).