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Husband looking at my sisters "naughty website"

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Mumoftwo95 · 12/08/2024 20:30

I made a thread yesterday with screen shots of his notifications from what looked like a saucy hook up site, I had it out with him and he said they must be spam notifications from live streaming the boxing illegally. I looked it up and it said he could have accidentally clicked "allow pop ups" on his browser so I tried to find the settings for him and stumbled apon his search history which had shown he had been accessing has been accessing my sisters "naughty website" multiple times over the last few months. He said he hasn't subscribed as if that makes it any better. I feel so sick, betrayed and just completely ruined.

How would you go about moving out? I have bugger all in savings and have a 2 + 3 year old to look after, my whole life has fallen to pieces in the matter of minutes.

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Allthehorsesintheworld · 16/08/2024 07:54

RaspberryWhirls · 16/08/2024 05:05

I would look for a full or part time job which will bring in a regular income & switch the baking to a side business. Even if it's a 3 month temporary Christmas retail job, save the spare income.

Prioritise building up your savings pot, plan your exit carefully & get legal advice. Don't share your plans with him until you have prepared your exit & everything is ready.

Make copies of his salary slips, financial paperwork, bank statements, birth & marriage certificates, yours & kids passports etc & hide in a safe space.

If you have a joint account then get cashback every time you grocery shop & add this to your savings. Use the joint account to buy additional supplies for your baking business & large purchases/next size up uniforms for kids (if you have any) & you.

Find out how much rent is for a flat from an estate agent & start saving up for a deposit. Sit right for 3 - 6 months and start planning your exit, don't let him know what your plans are.

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This.
Don’t do anything is haste. But you’re right to plan a separation, his behaviour is just 🤮

Saschka · 16/08/2024 07:55

InsensibleMe · 16/08/2024 07:50

Am I the only one who doesn’t know what a patreon page is?

It’s a way to make regular payments to content creators - some are totally innocent, like signing up to support Geoff Marshall making youtube videos about obscure UK rail stations. This is a porn subscription, where you pay a monthly fee to get videos of OP’s sister having sex.

DancingNotDrowning · 16/08/2024 08:00

He’s not watching it to get “how to tips”

he’s watching it for sexual gratification

how many of you would watch your brother in laws porn site? Masturbate to it and then spend time with him and your DH?

it’s totally grim

AudHvamm · 16/08/2024 08:04

Elbone · 16/08/2024 07:54

I know someone who was on naked attraction. I’ve never watched an episode because I wouldn’t want to inadvertently see him naked. A boundary is crossed when you see someone naked that can’t be undone. I respect him too much to bring that into our friendship.

I'd actively avoid it out of respect to my BIL, partner, their parents and our families! Can you imagine, "hey kids I've just been looking at you uncle/Dad's cock online"

Hazelville · 16/08/2024 08:09

EnergeticTigerDad · 16/08/2024 04:52

Please don't flame me.

  1. What he did was a betrayal and terribly wrong.
  2. The fact that he "lied about it to cover his tracks" isn't all that unsurprising or unexpected in this type of situation.
  3. Her sister did choose to make a Patreon page. I believe most men would be naturally curious to look at such page of a sister-in-law, work colleague, friend, acquaintance, or whoever they know that is making such a page. That does not justify looking at it in any way, but it would be a common male inclination to do so.
  4. It's OP's choice to move out, of course. And it's also her choice if she wants to work on it with him through counseling, reconciliation, etc. They do have two young children together.

Agree with all this. It is possible to work through this with help and support if OP wants to.

PuggyPuggyPuggy · 16/08/2024 08:14

Elbone · 16/08/2024 07:54

I know someone who was on naked attraction. I’ve never watched an episode because I wouldn’t want to inadvertently see him naked. A boundary is crossed when you see someone naked that can’t be undone. I respect him too much to bring that into our friendship.

Oh thank god, a like-minded person 😂 if someone I knew was on that show, I would go out of my way to check what channel it's on, and what time, and stick a massive note on the tv to make sure that I do not under any circumstances ever go near that channel by accident 😁

Astrabees · 16/08/2024 08:25

I want to know what sort of content is on the page. I only associate Patreon with artists and writers. I wouldn’t be too bothered by this myself.

Thiswayforward · 16/08/2024 08:25

In your position I would go on the entitled to website and put in your income and it will give you a break down of universal credit. You need to look for somewhere else to live as the house comes with his job. Can someone help you with a deposit to rent somewhere? Also go on the gingerbread website they are an advisory service for single parents or give them a call. Would he move out to give you space until you have found somewhere to live? I’m so sorry you are going through this.

Purrer · 16/08/2024 08:25

newyear2024 · 16/08/2024 07:47

What if it was your mum then rather than your sister, would that be okay? What if it was your niece? Or his own sister - would that be weird enough or still not a big deal?

Morals aside he would give me the absolute creeps 😳

Mum, not big deal. Niece is a child so obviously wouldn’t be an issue in this context. Own sister- incest probably a bigger deal.

Education79 · 16/08/2024 08:32

DancingNotDrowning · 16/08/2024 08:00

He’s not watching it to get “how to tips”

he’s watching it for sexual gratification

how many of you would watch your brother in laws porn site? Masturbate to it and then spend time with him and your DH?

it’s totally grim

Most likely, but men have looked at erotic images to get sexual gratification since art began - scroll back 200, 300 years and there were plenty of oil paintings done of naked women, and indeed graphic sexual acts, to be hung in the private study.

As a teenage boy in the 80's we would smuggle copies of Mayfair or the Daily Sport into school, or get our mums find them under the bed.

Now as adults, some colleague or another will unearth some bit of titilation on their phone and it will get passed round accompanied by chortling and Sid James esque "corrr" - some will pass it on quicker than others.

Doesn't mean these chaps are all cheating on their wives - just a thing, most men, shown an erotic image will have a gander, how its always been, and likely always will be.

So becuase your hubby looked at your sisters website (and most husbands would, curiosity killed the cat etc.) do you want to upend you and your children's lives. If he cheated, sure, but otherwise, is it worth it.

JFDIYOLO · 16/08/2024 08:33

Stop telling yourself you've had it.

Stop assuming you're screwed.

If you continue to think that, it will stop you taking control of your situation.

Think instead " I. Have. Rights. "

Start with solid legal advice. Find a solicitor that does those free half hour advice appointments.

Citizens Advice Bureau may help.

Start to look for a job. Income, savings and pension will make you feel better.

Find out about any benefits you may be entitled to.

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/s/?q=Divorce

https://www.gov.uk/child-benefit

https://www.citizensadvice.org.uk/law-and-courts/legal-system/finding-free-or-affordable-legal-help/

Stay strong and take control.

Child Benefit

Child Benefit - child benefit rates, eligibility, how to claim, child benefit claim form CH2.

https://www.gov.uk/child-benefit

Babyworriesreal · 16/08/2024 08:33

I suspect 99% men would be unable to resist having a look. Their minds work very differently to females. That doesn't mean you have to accept it, if you find out of course. Most people won't have to face this, as they can be confident their sister will never have such a site. Equal confidence in their partners is naive.

SunflowersMidwinter · 16/08/2024 08:33

Purrer · 16/08/2024 08:25

Mum, not big deal. Niece is a child so obviously wouldn’t be an issue in this context. Own sister- incest probably a bigger deal.

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I agree with you @Purrer

Sceptical123 · 16/08/2024 08:55

Golden407 · 16/08/2024 05:14

To be fair, if my husbands sister had a porn site I'd look at it 🙄.

It’s an interesting one. Someone mentioned if someone they knew or someone they did know had an OF, they and their female friends would/have had a look, presumably out of curiosity. What would we think if it was a group of dads/ male friends?

I think this is a very different scenario to the PP who mentioned her ex watching her sister in the shower - as presumably that was non-consenting voyeurism and is a crime I believe, certainly if recorded.

If OP’s sister has mentioned she has this website, then it’s presumably common knowledge and accessible to everyone. Including her partner’s friends, her kids, their friends, their teachers, their swimming coaches, scout leaders, bloke at the off license, PTA, friends of siblings, friends of her parents - everyone she knows or everyone everyone she knows knows.

Should her sister’s husband have accessed the site - no. Is it unjustifiable? Probably yes. Was it an unforseen eventuality? Probably not. As someone has mentioned before, humans are curious. If people are willing to check out someone they know with their friends it’s as natural for a man to check out the site of someone he knows ho happens to be his wife’s sister. It could be interpreted as creepy AF and below the belt in terms of loyalty to his wife, but if they have a consensual agreement about the accessing of porn in general this is where boundaries come in. Would it be as bad if it was her best friend? An acquaintance? Someone she worked with? Someone he worked with? The local barmaid? Someone they only knew in passing from their village? It is absolutely horrendous for OP bc of the familial connection to her, obviously it is horrendous. Presumably her sister isn’t going to be outraged as she has told them of this site and there will be all sorts of ppl she knows able to access it - it’s hardly a secret by the sounds of it. Up to her.

The OP’s husband doesn’t have the same connection to the SIL in terms of being a blood relative so he would probably view it as no different to looking up a friend of his wife, (again out of order) or someone they both knew from their community. It isn’t HIS sister, so the grossness is not there and it’s silly to make out it is. They’re presumably a similar age and she’s not part of his immediate family. The fact she’s let them know such a page exists will have provided the same frisson as accessing porn in the early days, which for someone who has free access to it would provide something a bit more exciting perhaps as it’s slightly taboo without being illegal.

Is this cheating? That’s up to the OP to decide. Was there a conversation when your DS announced she had made this website? Did you tell your DH after she had told you? Did you tell him or imply it was strictly off limits so he breached that trust and agreement or did you assume he wouldn’t have the desire to access it out of respect for you or bc he looked on your sister as a sister of his own, so it would be like incest?

Is this out of order? Arguably yes as most ppl would assume their partners have a basic level of respect for them and would avoid scenarios such as these in the first place. But there seems to be such a relaxed and acceptable attitude to porn in our society that the lines are well and truly blurred.

If OP’s husband had accessed her site once - you could argue that this was forgivable as he was led there by curiosity, but it sounds like he went back multiple times, indicating that he liked what he saw - which creates an issue as this is someone in his family circle who he will be interacting with on a regular or semi-regular basis and it’s likely he finds her, at the very least, sexually attractive. This places OP in a terrible position, as though I’m sure there are many husbands who find their SIL attractive, (and vice versa) it’s usually discrete and kept firmly under the radar.

Im waffling now bc I’ve had little sleep. I’m sure a lot of ppl will be pissed off with what I’ve written - I’m not saying her husband was justified in doing it, but I guess I’m saying it’s not out of this world that he has done it. The fact he’s gone back multiple times is the issue and it’s someone so close to them. If it was a random woman would it be a massive issue? Perhaps yes as it shows he’s forming certain attachment, but would be unlikely to do anything about.

Does your sister know, OP, and how did the topic come up in the first place?

tamade · 16/08/2024 08:56

How naughty is your sister's site? If she is dressing up as a french maid and winking suggestively its one thing, if she is doing hardcore porn its quite different.

I'd expect him to look at least once to be honest; its just the way a lot of people are wired up its old fashioned noseyness. If the latter I would hope most husbands would have a "Jesus Christ this is radioactive" moment and never go back. He probably kept going back out of morbid fascination, and I am assuming the site is naughty rather than filthy?

Pedallleur · 16/08/2024 09:01

Only one way we are going to find out if ' the site is naughty rather than filthy?'

SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 16/08/2024 09:04

I wouldn’t divorce over this either, as I’d probably look a few times myself if my BIL set up a patreon. I might even subscribe just to support him, not perve over him.

Not quite the same, but my SIL does have a monetised YouTube channel where she does belly dancing and I do watch her- again to support her. Which isn’t porn but is naughty erotic dance.

I think I’d ask why he went to the page and if it made me jealous and uncomfortable, I’d ask him not to go there anymore. If he kept going after I’d asked him not to, that is when I’d think about divorce.

Soshu · 16/08/2024 09:06

I think there’s a huge naivety with some posters on mumsnet. Many men would privately do what OP’s husband has. Many, many men. They just wouldn’t get caught.

Longma · 16/08/2024 09:08

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SugarandSpiceandAllThingsNaice · 16/08/2024 09:09

Education79 · 16/08/2024 08:32

Most likely, but men have looked at erotic images to get sexual gratification since art began - scroll back 200, 300 years and there were plenty of oil paintings done of naked women, and indeed graphic sexual acts, to be hung in the private study.

As a teenage boy in the 80's we would smuggle copies of Mayfair or the Daily Sport into school, or get our mums find them under the bed.

Now as adults, some colleague or another will unearth some bit of titilation on their phone and it will get passed round accompanied by chortling and Sid James esque "corrr" - some will pass it on quicker than others.

Doesn't mean these chaps are all cheating on their wives - just a thing, most men, shown an erotic image will have a gander, how its always been, and likely always will be.

So becuase your hubby looked at your sisters website (and most husbands would, curiosity killed the cat etc.) do you want to upend you and your children's lives. If he cheated, sure, but otherwise, is it worth it.

Even 30,000 yrs ago (presumably) men were painting pictures of naked women and couples having sex on cave walls. Could have been women painting them as a visual manual for teenage girls as part of a menarche ritual.

JamSandle · 16/08/2024 09:09

Tbh this is kind of why I want to stay single.

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yourfavoriteweapon · 16/08/2024 09:13

Borninabarn32 · 16/08/2024 05:50

It's a bit awkward but I feel like it's part of having a sister that does porn. Every single man who knows your sister in the slightest and knows about the page has looked at it, and most women too. It's curiosity. If someone told me they did porn I would look at it. It's uncomfortable but I can't imagine there being a single man you could date in the future that wouldn't look at it as soon as they knew about it.

It’s absolutely not.

I have a sister who does porn. Both me and my husband have seen some of the photos and have showed each other / chatted about amongst mutual friends. However viewing them in private multiple times would be a massive breach of trust. And I’m broadly okay with “stranger” porn.

Sceptical123 · 16/08/2024 09:13

DancingNotDrowning · 16/08/2024 08:00

He’s not watching it to get “how to tips”

he’s watching it for sexual gratification

how many of you would watch your brother in laws porn site? Masturbate to it and then spend time with him and your DH?

it’s totally grim

This is interesting bc I suspect many women who had a crush on someone and the means to access naked images of them with their consent would be liable to.

The fact it’s their BIL may give them pause, but if it’s for titillation and they knew their DH wouldn’t find out I think a lot would. Not most, but a lot.

It’s more gross for the sibling of the person being viewed as there is a natural revulsion there - that is rightly socially placed to avoid incest and abuse - that obviously isn’t there to a non-family by blood individual.

It isn’t grim to be sexually attracted to another adult. The grimness I’m guessing would come from projection by the partner at their own disgust to viewing such material and the fact that it is morally wrong in terms of respect and loyalty to your partner to be acting on sexual arousal to their sibling.

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