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Is this a reason to go NC with a sibling?

309 replies

WouldyouNCthem · 17/07/2024 19:19

I have 3 siblings . When DF was very unwell I tried to be supportive (but I live 4 hours away and I don’t even drive plus have a severley
disabled child and a baby)

When DF passed I wasn’t able to attend the funeral as I was still bf the baby and had no childcare for older dc (DP couldn’t have had both dc alone and we have no help nearby)

Ill also be honest I didn’t want to go because I was suffering with PND and suffering the loss terribly.

My siblings have all gone NC with me due to this as they said I should have been supporting them and respecting DF by going to the funeral and helping DM with her loss. I tried really hard to explain but they’ve not wanted to understand at all and now I have no family as DM also won’t speak to me.

OP posts:
OhMaria2 · 17/07/2024 21:39

BowlOfNoodles · 17/07/2024 21:30

There's millions of women travelling with baby's every day there's some walking for miles with them across Africa no pram nothing 🤷‍♀️ people travel with babys and have done since time began... her partner not being able to take over for one day is a big issue ( express some milk ) it wasn't the carnival it was her fathers funeral. Of cause her family are disgusted it wasn't a family bbq.

How disgusting. Many women can't make those journeys.
SHE HAD PND. Should she just hop on a train with all of her stuff? Drive, and go and breast feed in a service station? let's hope her baby doesn't scream for the whole journey!
Her partner didn't feel comfortable dealing with both kids. Because one is severely special needs.
Her reasons for not going are very valid.

You are lacking empathy to a shocking degree.

BowlOfNoodles · 17/07/2024 21:42

OhMaria2 · 17/07/2024 21:39

How disgusting. Many women can't make those journeys.
SHE HAD PND. Should she just hop on a train with all of her stuff? Drive, and go and breast feed in a service station? let's hope her baby doesn't scream for the whole journey!
Her partner didn't feel comfortable dealing with both kids. Because one is severely special needs.
Her reasons for not going are very valid.

You are lacking empathy to a shocking degree.

She wanted opinions I gave an honest one the other issues are valid ( mental health ) but I can imagine if she said she can't travel they'd have no sympathy with that part.

Londongirl78 · 17/07/2024 21:43

QuitChewingMyPlectrum · 17/07/2024 19:43

Sorry but I disagree with a lot of the responses here. I think knowing what you were going through it would be unkind of your family to never forgive you.
Funerals are for the living. You haven't let your DF down and your mum had family support. Where is your support?
I know these things can be emotive but it would be a poor show if your family couldn't see why you couldn't attend and give you a bit of kindness - everyone grieves differently and I don't see that you have done anything wrong.

Completely agree with this ^

FloofyKat · 17/07/2024 21:50

I’m so sorry about everything you have been dealing with, it can’t have been easy.

i have to say that I feel a certain sympathy with your siblings although I don’t think I would have gone NC in response. It feels a bit like you are laying on the ‘excuses’ as if you are trying to bomb them with reasons until they’ve to accept your decision.

This, at the same time as they and your mum are all trying to deal with and process their own grief and feelings of loss. They probably feel (not necessarily rightly) that grief should trump everything else.

It probably didn’t help if you told them about your coffin fear as they may have felt you were making everything about you, and that you were saying that their grief was not as important as yours.

I think, if I were in your shoes, I might write to each of them. I’d start by saying you totally understand their reactions and that you are really sorry for upsetting them; that the truth is you were in a very bad place mentally and were not in a fit physical or mental state to attend the funeral, although you really wanted to go.

Don’t mention childcare or not feeling you could leave your DC - I’d say this feels more like an excuse than a valid reason - but do say you were worried that you falling apart at the funeral would have been the last thing anyone would have wanted to deal with.

I’d say how very sad you are that you couldn’t be there, but I wouldn’t make any reference to the things you did before your dad died - to be honest, this isn’t really relevant, from what you say your siblings’ anger is focused on your non attendance at the funeral.

Tell them you love them and never meant to hurt them, and that you hope that you can all restore your relationships whenever they’re ready to do so.

At least that way you’ve done your best and left the doors open for reconciliation.

Opentooffers · 17/07/2024 21:51

I think for now all you can do is accept it. It was unfortunate timing to become pregnant at the same time as your DF being unwell. It sounds more like it was he pnd than other things. Were it not for that, you probably could have taken both children with your DP. I note you don't put that as an option, however, if your MH was so bad that you could not leave your house and were seen daily by MH team, it doesn't sound like it was feasible. I think you may have put forward your reason poorly to your family, as you have here, by giving multiple less understandable reasons rather than focusing on the main block which was the pnd. Perhaps trying too hard to justify, which doesn't need doing as your MH was enough reason of its own. If you make a list of reasons, it weakens the argument.
How is it though, that you still claim that had the DC's been manageable by your DP, you would of been able to travel ? Surely this is not the case as somebody with such poor MH would not be in a fit state to travel even without DC's?

BowlOfNoodles · 17/07/2024 21:53

FloofyKat · 17/07/2024 21:50

I’m so sorry about everything you have been dealing with, it can’t have been easy.

i have to say that I feel a certain sympathy with your siblings although I don’t think I would have gone NC in response. It feels a bit like you are laying on the ‘excuses’ as if you are trying to bomb them with reasons until they’ve to accept your decision.

This, at the same time as they and your mum are all trying to deal with and process their own grief and feelings of loss. They probably feel (not necessarily rightly) that grief should trump everything else.

It probably didn’t help if you told them about your coffin fear as they may have felt you were making everything about you, and that you were saying that their grief was not as important as yours.

I think, if I were in your shoes, I might write to each of them. I’d start by saying you totally understand their reactions and that you are really sorry for upsetting them; that the truth is you were in a very bad place mentally and were not in a fit physical or mental state to attend the funeral, although you really wanted to go.

Don’t mention childcare or not feeling you could leave your DC - I’d say this feels more like an excuse than a valid reason - but do say you were worried that you falling apart at the funeral would have been the last thing anyone would have wanted to deal with.

I’d say how very sad you are that you couldn’t be there, but I wouldn’t make any reference to the things you did before your dad died - to be honest, this isn’t really relevant, from what you say your siblings’ anger is focused on your non attendance at the funeral.

Tell them you love them and never meant to hurt them, and that you hope that you can all restore your relationships whenever they’re ready to do so.

At least that way you’ve done your best and left the doors open for reconciliation.

This was my point if she explained her struggles mentally as a sibling I'd have been forgiving but saying things like I can't get a babysitter or I can't travel with a baby that's gonna piss people off.

OhMaria2 · 17/07/2024 21:53

Bananabreadandstrawberries · 17/07/2024 21:15

Sorry it sounds like a hard time for everyone.

I would imagine it sounds like you’re making excuses to them (and flimsy excuses). Yes it would have been hard but you and your boyfriend could have pulled through and gotten to your fathers funeral.

Being depressed isn’t a good reason.
Your boyfriend struggling with 2 for a day isn’t a reason.

People in this thread demonstrating that they don't understand what a state some women are in after giving birth, physically and mentally.
If I'd had another child to deal with on top of my non sleeping newborn id have gone mad. I would've needed sectioning I think, or sending to the knackers yard, let alone dealing with one with high SEN needs. I was so physicall ill I nearly had a nervous breakdown when they said I might need to accompany my baby to the local hospital because of jaundice. I would not have been up the motorway to see my mum no matter how ill or dead she was. No matter how much I would have wanted to.

taylorswift1989 · 17/07/2024 21:54

Sorry for your loss OP. Your dad sounds lovely.

The rest of your family are being completely unfair and unkind. I'd consider just letting them get on with it. You've done nothing wrong.

OhMaria2 · 17/07/2024 21:55

taylorswift1989 · 17/07/2024 21:54

Sorry for your loss OP. Your dad sounds lovely.

The rest of your family are being completely unfair and unkind. I'd consider just letting them get on with it. You've done nothing wrong.

I'll add tk this,

They will never be there for you in the way they expected you to be there for them

WalkingaroundJardine · 17/07/2024 21:56

I understand why your siblings are disappointed but it’s not a reason to go NC with you.

I have a friend who had PND and it was no joke. Then all the other things on top of that, I can understand why going to the funeral felt impossible.

WouldyouNCthem · 17/07/2024 21:56

The only person I told about my coffin fears / nightmares / hallucinations was DP and my nurse.

I know I hurt them all and i do feel awful that I upset them, I just felt unable to cope with anything at all

OP posts:
taylorswift1989 · 17/07/2024 21:59

WouldyouNCthem · 17/07/2024 21:56

The only person I told about my coffin fears / nightmares / hallucinations was DP and my nurse.

I know I hurt them all and i do feel awful that I upset them, I just felt unable to cope with anything at all

Nah they are just using you as the scapegoat. Makes them feel better to make you feel bad.

You've done nothing wrong. Focus on your own family and let the others be.

diddl · 17/07/2024 22:00

but I wonder if you’ve approached this in a certain way. If you’ve made it about your needs, your feelings and your reasons,

I think that it is sounding this way rather than it being the PND making it impossible.

MiddleClassProblem · 17/07/2024 22:04

OP I think the issue is you keep giving your reasons and it’s very “I’m sorry but…” which means your not really sorry.

If you do say anything to them just say what you are actually sorry for. Like you’re sorry you weren’t there for them. You’re sorry you let them down. Don’t add a but or a reason.

Cuppachino · 17/07/2024 22:06

I felt the funeral would be too much for me and just couldn’t face it as was so so upset

Your siblings and mother were upset too but they managed to go to funeral. I would probably cut off a sibling if they didn't attend one of my parents funerals.

WouldyouNCthem · 17/07/2024 22:06

MiddleClassProblem · 17/07/2024 22:04

OP I think the issue is you keep giving your reasons and it’s very “I’m sorry but…” which means your not really sorry.

If you do say anything to them just say what you are actually sorry for. Like you’re sorry you weren’t there for them. You’re sorry you let them down. Don’t add a but or a reason.

I think it’s because they questioned me so much at the time telling me to state reasons that I keep feeling like I have to keep saying why

OP posts:
dapsnotplimsolls · 17/07/2024 22:09

Having read all your posts, I agree with PPs that they're using you as a scapegoat/grief displacement. I suggest you e-mail or send a letter one last time giving detailed reasons and then it's up to them.

ILoveToCleanSaidNooneEver · 17/07/2024 22:10

I'd find it strange, but no, I wouldn't go no contact with you. You would still be my sibling who I loved dearly, regardless of your decisions.

taylorswift1989 · 17/07/2024 22:11

WouldyouNCthem · 17/07/2024 22:06

I think it’s because they questioned me so much at the time telling me to state reasons that I keep feeling like I have to keep saying why

You've apologised. You've explained what happened. They don't want to let it go because they've found it's a good stick to beat you with.

What would your dad tell you to do? Probably to take care of yourself and your babies, right? Do that. If your mum and siblings are decent people they'll eventually come around.

MrsSkylerWhite · 17/07/2024 22:17

Comedycook · Today 19:32
I imagine for your family there was also the embarrassment factor.... people at the funeral asking where you were?”

Really?

I’d be more concerned about a sibling struggling with obvious difficulties than what other people might think.

This is precisely why my husband and I want direct cremations.

SeriouslyStressed · 17/07/2024 22:17

Your posts seem quite disjointed and you've thrown out a lot of red herrings. If that's how you have come across to your family then they are probably confused and feel like it's too many excuses.

The bottom line is that you couldn't leave the house due to your MH and were almost sectioned. This is the most relevant piece of information, the only important bit.

If your DH was working then presumably you were left alone with both DC for some periods of time so the "he couldn't be alone with them" is full of holes.

Saying you couldnt go because you couldn't cope would just upset everyone as no one wants to go to a funeral, especially not of a family member. Everyone just HAS to cope.

It seems like you've thrown too much information at them and missed the important bit

Richtea67 · 17/07/2024 22:29

WouldyouNCthem · 17/07/2024 20:44

Every time I’d get there I’d literally walk in the door and DM would be at me with a list of things she needed help with and DF would say ‘hang on hang on ! How are you ? How’s Dp? How’s Ds?’
My siblings would call as soon as DM had text them that I’m was there telling me what needed doing etc . It wasn’t that I wasn’t helping I think I just wasn’t there when they wanted me to be and when I told them I was pregnant at 14 weeks they were all unhappy saying did that mean I wouldn’t be helping as much (at that point we thought DF had longer than ended up being the case and they were concerned about long term help)

Based on this OP I think there is every justification for you to go nc on them! Your DF knew how much you loved him and would have understood your reasons for not attending his funeral with kindness and compassion. I don't think you need these other people in your life.

Atethehalloweenchocs · 17/07/2024 22:29

My sister pretty much opted out when my mother was ill, dying and after she died. I think she would claim anxiety. Thing is, it was emotionally really difficult for me too, but I did not feel I had the option to opt out, as someone had to take care of things. It has caused a lot of resentment between us.

I dont think someone not coming to a funeral would be enough to NC, but I wonder if they have felt let down by you before? Or felt you let down your DM? Its hard to do everything, and I am sorry you have been struggling. You have a lot on your plate. If she had been honest with me, I may have felt more sympathetic to her if she was struggling. As it is, it feels like there were just a lot of excuses for her not to do anything difficult which left the lions share of the load for me.

MiddleClassProblem · 17/07/2024 22:31

WouldyouNCthem · 17/07/2024 22:06

I think it’s because they questioned me so much at the time telling me to state reasons that I keep feeling like I have to keep saying why

But that was then and this is now. You can be more rational about it now.

I had PND so I totally understand the absolute extremities of it but there are things that I am sorry in that time and it’s not I’m sorry but I had PND.

It’s also that you are blaming them for you explaining repeatedly. You’re blaming PND and your circumstances. I don’t think you need to attach blame because they were all going through stuff but you can say sorry. Sorry should be the last word not the first followed by reasons you feel justified because even though they are justifiable all it does is minimise how sorry you feel.

You could say “I had PND and I couldn’t get the kids there or care for them. I wish I could have been there. I should have been there. I’m sorry.” All of that is true without negating you or them.

I should have been there can apply to a partner not making it to a birth because there was an accident on the road or whatever. Should doesn’t mean could if that makes sense?

YOYOK · 17/07/2024 22:31

diddl · 17/07/2024 22:00

but I wonder if you’ve approached this in a certain way. If you’ve made it about your needs, your feelings and your reasons,

I think that it is sounding this way rather than it being the PND making it impossible.

It may well be the PND did make it impossible. I’m just wondering if @WouldyouNCthem communicated it in such a way that meant the family took it the wrong way. I wonder if it was more of a communication breakdown.