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Why didn’t I meet my Brother-in-law first

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Anonymous546 · 11/07/2024 09:31

I feel awful even writing this because I know that it is so wrong. I have gone back and forth on it but decided to try to get some outside opinions.

My brother in law (my husband’s brother) is a really nice person and started paying me a lot of compliments a few months ago when a family member passed away.
He was saying how beautiful and awesome I am and has said this a few times now.
I think he is just being nice as he’s said it in front of the rest of the family and hasn’t truly said anything inappropriate.
We send messages back and forth occasionally but never anything inappropriate. He’s just really nice and always saying sweet things.

He bought me a little gift which I thought was for my daughter at first (a little stuffed bear) and he said it was for Valentine’s Day. I was a little surprised because I didn’t expect to get anything like that from him. It could have just been a nice gesture, right?

Well.. I seem to have developed some feelings for him and I’m trying my best to just let it go because obviously I’m married to his brother. We’ve discovered that we have quite a bit in common lately.
But I have made it a point not to message him in the last 3 weeks or so.
The last time we saw each other at a family get together we talked a lot.. just the two of us.

My relationship with my husband has been kind of rocky (we have some ups and downs pretty regularly) even before this came about. I don’t know how to get back to how it was a long time ago and I feel like he gets angry or stressed really easily sometimes and it’s hard to have a conversation with him at times.

Do I need to just suppress any feelings that have come up? I feel like the answer is.. of course I do. Any advice on how to do that?

OP posts:
Anonymous546 · 11/07/2024 12:50

betterangels · 11/07/2024 12:48

Your answers don't match your thread title even a little bit.

The thread title is more of an attention getter

OP posts:
Anonymous546 · 11/07/2024 12:54

sallyal · 11/07/2024 12:50

@Anonymous546 I was very early 20 I was married really young ! Maybe age and lack of experience didn't help ! He was older and knew what he was doing.

Oh wow.
Interestingly enough.. BIL is around the same age as me. Husband is older.

OP posts:
PerkyMintDeer · 11/07/2024 12:57

You'll get flamed probably but I can relate (except it's a dear friend's husband).

Here's how I'm dealing with it...

Realising we probably would have made a nice couple had we met first but I love my friend and their kids more, affairs go against my moral compass and absolutely nothing can or will ever happen. Also meeting first would have been no guarantee of success or forever love. There are many options out there than are better than this. It's a shitty shitty option and getting closer even as "just as friends" won't add anything to mine, his, his wife or their kids' lives. How close do you have to be with your BIL, really? How close is it helpful to you to be?

Avoiding spending time with just him where possible...it had got to the point where we'd somehow always end up chatting away just the two of us at parties etc, as we share a lot of common interests, he ends up pouring me wine then it starts to feel more intimate and we might have a more in depth conversation than he's had with his wife that day or I've had with any man in a while. So now, the moment I realise other people have peeled off or it's ended up just the two of us I find somewhere else to be, seek out another female friend, make my excuses and leave early if I have to etc.

We share several interests/hobbies that my friend either is bored by or actively hates and actively encourages us to do together so she doesn't have to. I never ever take either of them up on the hint. Think they've got the point now when I've said, "No offence, Maggie, I know you love Dave and hate crowds but I don't want to go see Kings of Leon with someone else's husband!"

More difficult cos he's your BIL...but I've not let him have my phone number/way of contacting me even though he's tried to get it several times to send me a link or add me to an event on FB or something. If he has your number and he's sending you memes or sweet texts or whatever, either ignore or be very boring in your response, "ha! Just seen this!"

Focus my own love life. He's not the only man alive and he's not my soulmate. Neither is your BIL for you. For a start your BIL shouldn't be telling you you're beautiful and fawning over you, no matter how much he thinks those things. He should keep it all in his own head. You can either focus on your own marriage, be honest with DH about what you need and how those needs aren't being met and work together towards fixing things or break up and find a decent man who gives you the same feeling as BIL. You don't need to put up with a mediocre love life if you are so unhappy in your marriage.

I don't feed the whole "forbidden love", "I can't look at him or I might die from longing!", "why???why???No! We mustn't!" drama that can easily come about in these situations and feed the whole love/lust/limerence spiral cos none of that shit's real. I acknowledge the facts i.e "We make each other laugh. I like laughing with people." or "He makes me feel good about myself. Maybe my self-esteem is lacking." and even "It's a bit creepy the way he is always praising me to his guy friends. That's not fair on my friend. Yuck." Try and be as objective as you can. Facts over feelings.

I acknowledge that some of what I/we are feeling is completely hormonal. We're daft little monkeys whose bodies sometimes want to rule our minds and cause us to do things we'd massively regret and hurt other people through. Again, I notice it, acknowledge it and it passes quite quickly. "Ah. Lust. Thankfully I am an adult, know this will pass and have ways of dealing with this that don't involve fucking my brother in law" over, "OMG his arms are just...ugh...and his jaw is...I wonder what it would be like if we..." etc. Just don't go there. Don't feed the horny troll.

Whenever there's a moment of him praising me, doing something nice for me, telling me he "saw something and thought of me" etc...I acknowledge that this could all be him trying to boost his own ego and my reaction is quite powerful. I can either cause it to escalate or ignore it and decrease the likelihood of it happening. I know my friend is a bit sick of him at times and says things that knock his confidence (nothing horrible just, "Oh God, you are going on about that AGAIN. Look I'm tired and going to bed, can you put the bins out now because you will forget in the morning like you always do otherwise") and so he might be giving me some attention so I get all blushy and gushy and make him feel a bit better about his power to do so...I COULD get all blushy and gushy cos no one else is complimenting me but no matter wtf he does to try and get my attention I don't fall for it. No batting eyelashes and "oh my God...thanks...you know I've been feeling so shit about myself recently, that's made me feel so much better. You are so nice. Maggie is so lucky to have you." The most he gets is a, "Cool", or "Thanks" and fairly neutral expression. I've totally stopped acknowledging some things he's definitely doing for my benefit too (actually the more I'm writing the more I'm getting pissed off at him and his needy little boy ways). I just give off strong disinterested vibes even though under a different set of circumstances I would have been interested. He's not single. End of. You are married, OP. This could wreck your marriage if you feed it. End of.

Good Luck. He's honestly not all that. Step back. Get a bit of perspective. Tell him to rein it in if you have to. Focus on you. See this as an opportunity to acknowledge your needs and go about getting them met in a better way.

Oh. And stay sober around him.

Sillystrumpet · 11/07/2024 12:59

Anonymous546 · 11/07/2024 12:46

I seriously didn’t think anything of it at first.
He’s always been a nice person, I just didn’t think he’d intentionally do anything like this.

That’s why I came on here to ask about it.

In my head I was like oh.. it didn’t mean anything.. he was just being nice.
But apparently I was totally wrong about that.
And it was a big no-no.

It’s not though, it’s just a no in light of the fact you fancy him, likely he’s getting off on the fact his brothers wife is all love stuck over him, it’s flattering at any time, even more so if you’re a wanker and it’s your brothers wife who is inappropriate

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 11/07/2024 12:59

Anonymous546 · 11/07/2024 12:46

I seriously didn’t think anything of it at first.
He’s always been a nice person, I just didn’t think he’d intentionally do anything like this.

That’s why I came on here to ask about it.

In my head I was like oh.. it didn’t mean anything.. he was just being nice.
But apparently I was totally wrong about that.
And it was a big no-no.

I'm sorry to pick but if you're wondering why your husband didn't pull him aside then yes, you did know that something was amiss. Otherwise there would be no need for pulling aside, would there?

I'm wondering then why - knowing that this is not appropriate behaviour - why you didn't tell your brother in law to knock it off? I'm guessing that you've just been enjoying this feeling of attractiveness and attentiveness and that's why not.

It's easy to have your head turned when things aren't rosy in the garden at home but the potential impact of this is so momentous that you need to bring it to a halt. Perhaps your husband is also waiting for you to put a stop to it and wondering why you aren't? If he speaks with his brother will that make you feel as if you're in some sort of duel fantasy? I can guarantee you that it would be a fantasy only. Your husband would think less of his brother but very much less of you because vows and all that.

This next bit is what's unfair. It is always the woman who comes off worst. Always. Whatever men do, if there is a female somewhere in the mix it is deemed her fault.

For your daughter's sake, put these feelings aside and wake up please. Don't be having to look back on your conduct with regret and shame. Brother in law will/would drop you like a stone because of family.

JanglingJack · 11/07/2024 13:02

OP posts thread titled - Why Didn't I Meet BIL first.

OP spends all morning insisting replies are wrong, of course it's all innocent.

It's been amusing.

CountessWindyBottom · 11/07/2024 13:03

DisforDarkChocolate · 11/07/2024 09:56

Honestly he sounds like a man trying to exploit you at a vulnerable time. You should be very glad you didn't meet him first.

💯 to this. It’s no coincidence that he’s ramped up his charm offensive after a bereavement. He sounds like a slimy opportunist and there is probably a deeply-rooted history or competition between him and his brother:

What did your husband have to say about the Valentines bear?

Yalta · 11/07/2024 13:05

The BIL sounds creepy. I am surprised that you thought a Valentine’s gift from someone you don’t have a romantic connection with was normal

There are lines you don’t cross and he crossed them

Just a thought, as I knew someone like this. Permanent bachelor and always trying to ask out women who are married or have bf’s etc and are clearly going to say no. He even gave his sil a really inappropriate gift which she said had her throw up in her mouth and caused her dh to question her about him (his brother like his mother doesn’t see the problem)

The reason he does it a lot of us think is because he is gay (although doesn’t want to come to terms with it) and he wants to show his mother that he is interested in women but they keep knocking him back. He tells his mother every time he gets told no.

Fwiw when a woman even tries to suggest coffee or anything that looks like a date, you have never seen anyone so panicked and he runs away (literally)

itsmylife7 · 11/07/2024 13:06

Anonymous546 · 11/07/2024 10:06

But how is he coming onto me?
He literally stated in front of the whole family including his brother that I’m beautiful and awesome and that his brother is lucky.

He's very smart and hiding in plain sight.

You're playing with fire OP.

CactusMactus · 11/07/2024 13:12

You never know, your husband could be looking for an out too!

Anonymous546 · 11/07/2024 13:12

SouperWoman · 11/07/2024 12:33

@Anonymous546 oh my, you have got yourself a little dream crush. And now it’s time to WAKE UP!

You have fallen out of love with your DH or maybe you just feel less strongly about him? Is it fixable? Our relationship changes when we have kids but you can still have love and romance if you want it. You don’t mention any abuse (thank goodness) so it sounds more like a natural lull in your marriage that you can recover from together. Consider talking to Relate. But first, talk to your husband.

As for your BiL, his behaviour towards you is objectively inappropriate. You need to shut him down. Practically this means never being alone with him and rejecting any gifts or compliments.
‘This is a valentine’s gift for you, SiL’ ‘Don’t be silly, BiL, my husband gives me those. Go find yourself a nice girl of your own.’
Wise up! There is zero future with him. Even if he’s sincere (and I think he’s a player) can you imagine a future family situation with your poor DD having an uncle who’s a step dad and a dad who’s an uncle? Do you want your poor child to live in a soap opera?
if your marriage is over, finish it with grace- for your DD’s sake. But you will NEVER have a happy future with your BiL.

So no physical abuse that’s for sure. But sometimes when he gets mad it scares me a little.
He hasn’t gotten physical or thrown anything or hurt anyone.. but his attitude and maybe slamming a door a couple of times, doesn’t make me too happy.
He says he’s not being rude but sometimes I feel that with the way he talks to me there is a certain rude tone and he never seems to want to talk things over and resolve arguments or issues.
I tell him all the time that we need to communicate and resolve things or we (I at least) have a hard time moving forward.

Honestly a lot of the issues seem to be recurring from before we had kids.
😥

OP posts:
Anonymous546 · 11/07/2024 13:19

Opentooffers · 11/07/2024 12:44

So as the giving of a Teddy bear to you for Valentines day, somehow passed you by as inappropriate ( hello, obvious!), you would of since mentioned to the rest of the family and your DH that he gave it to you for Val day? If not, you knew it was inappropriate, just in denial on here. If you did, well you have a strange family and DH reaction if words were not said and eyebrows raised.
It's quite likely others will clue into this soon, if they haven't already. They will be watching. As far as your BIL goes, nice though you think he is, he's also not quite right in the head to be this inappropriate, it's probably why he's single. I bet he's a tad weird to date, if he gets that far. Probably has difficulty talking to women enough to get anywhere and has latched onto you, as being family, it gave him a way in to talk. If he's an introvert generally, he's bowled over that a woman will talk to him as he's maybe got no idea how to flirt, so it doesn't happen for him. Could be some ND from him, otherwise he'd know how inappropriate the gift was.

I mentioned in another comment that he gave me the gift at a family gathering.. I don’t think he was really hiding it.. in fact he proceeded to talk about it in front of my husband later that night like it was nothing.. and mentioned the name on its tag. My husband didn’t seem to care so I really didn’t think anything of it at the time.

OP posts:
Despair1 · 11/07/2024 13:19

YES, SUPPRESS YOUR FEELINGS! No other choice and don't accept presents. You need to put the breaks on. Describing that your marriage is rocky ( I know several that are) seems to give yourself the green light. STOP this now, for everyone's sake

Anonymous546 · 11/07/2024 13:21

CactusMactus · 11/07/2024 13:12

You never know, your husband could be looking for an out too!

Maybe. I have thought about that too.

OP posts:
ScottishHeartofgold · 11/07/2024 13:22

Does he have any idea how you feel? X

Anonymous546 · 11/07/2024 13:25

I know.

That’s why I needed to hear it from
others because obviously no one I know knows anything about it.

Who knew BIL could be so smart. I just figured he didn’t realize what he was saying or doing was inappropriate.

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ScottishHeartofgold · 11/07/2024 13:26

I will pm you.
As am in a similar situation x

Notsogood24 · 11/07/2024 13:27

I don't have direct experience of this with a BIL or a family member BUT. My relationship I have been quite unhappy for quite some time for a number of reasons. Recently another man (a friend) started to pay me lots of attention and make lots of flirty remarks, telling me I was sexy and wifea material etc (I'm not married) I was so miserable and I have very low self esteem that I bought into all of this and felt that I had developed some feelings/attraction to him. It took me only after I acted on it to realize that he is not desirable at all and I was just desperate to be noticed and have some excitement. And I think that's what going on here. You are unhappy, something is missing in your marriage and it could have been any man to show you this attention and you would probably feel the same way. It's just unlucky that it's your BIL. But you do need to shut it down before it escalates because if you dont and it turns into an affair trust me you will hate yourself forever.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 11/07/2024 13:28

Anonymous546 · 11/07/2024 13:25

I know.

That’s why I needed to hear it from
others because obviously no one I know knows anything about it.

Who knew BIL could be so smart. I just figured he didn’t realize what he was saying or doing was inappropriate.

Your brother in law isn't smart, OP, he's just seeing the effect that his flattery has on you and it's a game that he's going to win if you let him. If it weren't you it would be somebody else that's needed to play this silly game with.

You and your daughter would be the losers here. Don't give him that.

PerkyMintDeer · 11/07/2024 13:28

Anonymous546 · 11/07/2024 13:19

I mentioned in another comment that he gave me the gift at a family gathering.. I don’t think he was really hiding it.. in fact he proceeded to talk about it in front of my husband later that night like it was nothing.. and mentioned the name on its tag. My husband didn’t seem to care so I really didn’t think anything of it at the time.

It was a very strange and inappropriate thing to do. I've explained my own situation above and wouldn't have accepted it. It's neither here nor there whether it was given in person or not or what your husband's reaction was. Giving your SIL a Valentine Gift is very odd and not the done thing.

Nanny0gg · 11/07/2024 13:29

Anonymous546 · 11/07/2024 10:30

It pretty much was handed to me by him at a family gathering in a bag and I asked if it’s for my daughter because I just kind of assumed it would be.. and he said no, just a valentine’s gift for you.

I didn’t realize all this was seen as inappropriate. I really thought he was just being nice.
It was the same time he brought over a bottle of wine for a gathering at our house. After asking my husband what kind of wine I like.

He is single and chooses to stay that way.

How naïve can you be?

And do you really want to split the whole family apart?

Anonymous546 · 11/07/2024 13:30

Sillystrumpet · 11/07/2024 12:59

It’s not though, it’s just a no in light of the fact you fancy him, likely he’s getting off on the fact his brothers wife is all love stuck over him, it’s flattering at any time, even more so if you’re a wanker and it’s your brothers wife who is inappropriate

This is what I don’t understand.. how would he know how I feel? It’s not like I’ve told him
anything or acted upon it.

OP posts:
Nanny0gg · 11/07/2024 13:31

Anonymous546 · 11/07/2024 11:08

How would the BIL know that things are rocky if neither of us have shared any of our relationship issues with any of the family?

I keep seeing PPs saying this but not sure how this adds up.
And I also stated that we were having issues long before the BIL started doing/saying this stuff.

It's not that easy to hide rocky relationships

So I expect he's not the only one to notice

PerkyMintDeer · 11/07/2024 13:31

Notsogood24 · 11/07/2024 13:27

I don't have direct experience of this with a BIL or a family member BUT. My relationship I have been quite unhappy for quite some time for a number of reasons. Recently another man (a friend) started to pay me lots of attention and make lots of flirty remarks, telling me I was sexy and wifea material etc (I'm not married) I was so miserable and I have very low self esteem that I bought into all of this and felt that I had developed some feelings/attraction to him. It took me only after I acted on it to realize that he is not desirable at all and I was just desperate to be noticed and have some excitement. And I think that's what going on here. You are unhappy, something is missing in your marriage and it could have been any man to show you this attention and you would probably feel the same way. It's just unlucky that it's your BIL. But you do need to shut it down before it escalates because if you dont and it turns into an affair trust me you will hate yourself forever.

Yes...I totally agree with this. It's all too easy to chase the dopamine and serotonin, especially when we are down in ourselves. The guy's attention can become a drug if we let it. It costs something to shut it down as we crave the attention but it's absolutely the best thing to do in these circumstances as both you and I have realised.

MadameMassiveSalad · 11/07/2024 13:32

What a wanker.
Who does that to their own brother?!
Sounds like Eastenders OP.

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