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Feeling undermined after attending wedding

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failedthepsychopathtest · 24/06/2024 10:45

My DP and I have been together 22 years. We have a low-key, quiet sort of commitment that's manifested in the little things we do for each other, not in fancy words or gestures. We've never sent each other a Valentine's card or celebrated an anniversary but we've weathered illness, financial disasters, job losses, a full set of four sick, demented and dying parents and the rest. We're sometimes huggy and hand-holdy, but usually when we think no one's looking. We sometimes bicker and occasionally argue and have a day or two of not liking each other very much, but we're essentially kind and respectful towards each other. We've only said 'I love you' a few times in all the years: I didn't fall madly in love with him and he didn't with me. We were friends who became lovers and partners.

A few among our friends and family seem to think that because we've never married and because we give each other a lot of freedom (we both have our own friendship circles and hobbies and go away without the other) and because we don't call each other darling and because we're emotionally independent and don't miss each other dreadfully when one of us goes away, we're not properly bonded. We have no children so never felt the need to marry. We've both been financially independent and fairly equal in terms of our income, property ownership and pensions, so there's no pressure there.

This weekend we went to the wedding of two friends who've been living together for a couple of years. He is very cerebral, academic and normally not very emotional (he's on the autistic spectrum and talks openly about it). She's romantic with a capital R. She likes being married (she's been married twice before) and she likes calling her DH 'my beloved soulmate'. They had a full-on register office wedding with people reading romantic poetry and their vows were full of declarations about being truly, madly, deeply in love forever. She was clearly in heaven: I don't think I've ever seen anyone smile so broadly for so many hours.

The reception was lovely, lots of old friends to catch up with. At one point the bride and I had a chat and I was very complimentary (of course) about the wedding and said how lovely it was to see her so happy. She said something along the lines of 'I don't know why you two don't get married.' Then a momentary pause and a concerned expression, followed by 'But when you meet someone you truly love and feel passionate about, you'll want to get married too.' She wasn't the only person there to talk to us in that sort of way — as if somehow our 22 years together was invalidated by the fact that we haven't stood up in public and declared undying love for each other.

Despite all my attempts to tell myself that she and I are very different and what's right for her isn't right for me, I've felt undermined and vaguely upset since then. On top of that I feel bad for feeling weird about such a nice day, with her so happy. Today I've woken up feeling demoralised and sad at the thought that our quiet, unshowy dedication to each other isn't regarded as the real thing by a lot of people. I feel as if we're seen as 'less than'.

I've heard single friends talk about finding weddings an emotional strain. They'd love to have a partner and so the whole darling-soulmate-eternal-love thing can be quite painful for them.

Is there anyone out there who has had a similar experience at a happy event? Thoughts?

OP posts:
Newbeginning12 · 24/06/2024 10:59

Who cares what she thinks. She’s been married twice before so the romantic ideal has hardly been working out for her.

FrenchandSaunders · 24/06/2024 11:02

They'll prob be divorced in a couple of years, try not to let it get to you. It's often the ones who proclaim the most love and put on a show, that are the most rocky IME.

reabies · 24/06/2024 11:14

I had similar when we got married - we had been together nearly 8 years by then, and were very much in it for the long haul but the attitude I got from my parents when we got engaged was that oh finally it would be a proper relationship. I said what did you think we were doing for the last 8 years? Messing around? Casually seeing each other? We moved in together and then across the world. It was clearly a serious relationship.

And 8 years is nothing compared to 22! I think it's probably not a commentary on your unshowy partnership vibe and more about the fact that some people just do not see unmarried relationships as valid or real, no matter how long you've been together.

If you don't want to get married you don't have to of course, but there will always be people who hold these dim kind of views, the same way some people view a childfree life as sad, or a child born out of wedlock as shameful. It's annoying, buy you shouldn't let it undermine your relationship.

Raiseyourglass24 · 24/06/2024 11:18

Well it was a wedding and she was loved up. I wouldn’t take much notice.

Everleigh13 · 24/06/2024 11:19

I think your friend was incredibly rude. It was not her place to make those comments and I wouldn’t put any weight on what she thinks of your relationship.

keylimedog · 24/06/2024 11:22

Obviously your 22 year relationship is a clear commitment and you're happy with your partner and life, but I can kind of see where her head might have been - you say she's a clear romantic and loves being married, she's probably looking at you through her eyes and how she views the world - to her, a huge declaration of love and some teary vows are the epitome of what she wants in a relationship. That's what some people see as a "proper" relationship or commitment. Other people see years of partnership, spending life together and supporting each other through thick and thin as what they value and want in a relationship - sounds like you and your partner might fall closer to that category.

I wouldn't feel undermined in your relationship at all - what you value in a relationship and partner won't be the same as her (if anything she probably can't comprehend a 22 year relationship without a marriage if she's on marriage no3 - she's probably got a totally different yard stick for measuring commitment). She's projecting her feelings of how she wants to display love / commitment onto you. I can understand that, I can't imagine anyone not wanting to get married to the love of their lives because that's how I feel about DH, conversely I'm sure there's people who couldn't imagine anything worse than our set up 😂 that's the joy of the world, different things work for different people.

Your relationship has stood the test of time and by the sounds of it some genuine life struggles that others don't make it through, you've clearly got an incredible foundation for a relationship that is fulfilling to you and what you want from life. Personally I'd take that over a loved up poem any day!

SissySpacekAteMyHamster · 24/06/2024 11:26

Let's hope its third time lucky for her!

I think your relationship sounds solid. Ignore the comments. I am actually appalled that people think it's ok to make those kind of statements to you.

In my experience the loudest, most demonstrative in public couples are usually the ones where all is not well.

AffIt · 24/06/2024 11:28

In much the same way I wouldn't ask a bankrupt for financial advice, I certainly wouldn't consider somebody who had been married three times an expert on lasting relationships...

Mumoftwo1316 · 24/06/2024 11:30

She was rude and silly and clearly unreasonable.

But the fact it's got to you - does it reveal that you have an underlying issue about your relationship? Otherwise surely you'd simply laugh it off, it's clearly so silly.

Mumoftwo1316 · 24/06/2024 11:32

Today I've woken up feeling demoralised and sad at the thought that our quiet, unshowy dedication to each other isn't regarded as the real thing by a lot of people.

Do you need other people to perceive your relationship in a certain way? I think this might be a displaced worry. Do you yourself feel insecure in the relationship so you're looking outward for reassurance? I might be way off ofc

Bullshots · 24/06/2024 11:33

I've got a Romantic-with-a-capital-R friend too. She's cheated on all three of her husbands because she's addicted to being In Love and is always off chasing the next cock.
She probably thinks my DH and I (30 years and counting) are singularly dull and uninspiring, although she wouldn't dream of saying so. I love her dearly but she's frankly the last person I'd take advice from on affairs of the heart.

PollyPeachum · 24/06/2024 11:56

For a different view, count the failures that she has had, 2 failed marriages. How many failed relationships in between those I wonder?

pinkdelight · 24/06/2024 11:59

I guess you have to stick with your stance that you don't care what people think because it works for you. If you start caring what people think, then you're buying into the 'showy' 'Romantic' stuff that you clearly dislike and aren't into. Unless that's you protesting too much and you do actually want some of that?

As for being made to feel lesser, on the one hand, you know that a solid 22 year relationship is probably stronger than this woman's third marriage so in terms of insecurity, she's got more to worry about than you have. However you must also see that this:

We've only said 'I love you' a few times in all the years: I didn't fall madly in love with him and he didn't with me. We were friends who became lovers and partners.

While working for you and having its benefits, might well be seen as 'less' than what most people would be seeking. That doesn't mean it's not 100% right for you. But if they're capable of falling madly in love, that's what most people want to feel and tend to go the other way - lovers and partners who become friends when the mad love has eased off - but if things are good most people would still want a DP who said that they loved them and showed some affection, regardless of being married or sending Valentines cards or the more public stuff.

Birdseyetrifle · 24/06/2024 12:04

I’d have replied ‘you seem to have a lot of soulmates’ 😂😂

Your relationship sounds like my idea of perfect.

RandomMess · 24/06/2024 12:08

It's sad you feel like that.

I have friends that did the CP in secret (I only know as I flagged up they could go to IoM as I'm like "who do you want to have the decision to turn your life support off". So I recently asked if they had done it).

I never saw their relationship as "less". I see marriage as a legal and financial contract!

Dowhatyouwanttodo · 24/06/2024 12:11

You sound like friendly housemates rather than partners. However if you’re genuinely happy don’t worry what others think.

godmum56 · 24/06/2024 12:13

failedthepsychopathtest · 24/06/2024 10:45

My DP and I have been together 22 years. We have a low-key, quiet sort of commitment that's manifested in the little things we do for each other, not in fancy words or gestures. We've never sent each other a Valentine's card or celebrated an anniversary but we've weathered illness, financial disasters, job losses, a full set of four sick, demented and dying parents and the rest. We're sometimes huggy and hand-holdy, but usually when we think no one's looking. We sometimes bicker and occasionally argue and have a day or two of not liking each other very much, but we're essentially kind and respectful towards each other. We've only said 'I love you' a few times in all the years: I didn't fall madly in love with him and he didn't with me. We were friends who became lovers and partners.

A few among our friends and family seem to think that because we've never married and because we give each other a lot of freedom (we both have our own friendship circles and hobbies and go away without the other) and because we don't call each other darling and because we're emotionally independent and don't miss each other dreadfully when one of us goes away, we're not properly bonded. We have no children so never felt the need to marry. We've both been financially independent and fairly equal in terms of our income, property ownership and pensions, so there's no pressure there.

This weekend we went to the wedding of two friends who've been living together for a couple of years. He is very cerebral, academic and normally not very emotional (he's on the autistic spectrum and talks openly about it). She's romantic with a capital R. She likes being married (she's been married twice before) and she likes calling her DH 'my beloved soulmate'. They had a full-on register office wedding with people reading romantic poetry and their vows were full of declarations about being truly, madly, deeply in love forever. She was clearly in heaven: I don't think I've ever seen anyone smile so broadly for so many hours.

The reception was lovely, lots of old friends to catch up with. At one point the bride and I had a chat and I was very complimentary (of course) about the wedding and said how lovely it was to see her so happy. She said something along the lines of 'I don't know why you two don't get married.' Then a momentary pause and a concerned expression, followed by 'But when you meet someone you truly love and feel passionate about, you'll want to get married too.' She wasn't the only person there to talk to us in that sort of way — as if somehow our 22 years together was invalidated by the fact that we haven't stood up in public and declared undying love for each other.

Despite all my attempts to tell myself that she and I are very different and what's right for her isn't right for me, I've felt undermined and vaguely upset since then. On top of that I feel bad for feeling weird about such a nice day, with her so happy. Today I've woken up feeling demoralised and sad at the thought that our quiet, unshowy dedication to each other isn't regarded as the real thing by a lot of people. I feel as if we're seen as 'less than'.

I've heard single friends talk about finding weddings an emotional strain. They'd love to have a partner and so the whole darling-soulmate-eternal-love thing can be quite painful for them.

Is there anyone out there who has had a similar experience at a happy event? Thoughts?

Are you seen as less than by anybody whose opinion REALLY matters to you? Because if so you are valuing the wrong people's opinions...and if not why worry?
I am a widow now. We married for a couple of reasons, it was good for tax purposes then and my late husband was in the merchant navy and I could only travel with him if we were married and I could prove it. We were deeply in love and stayed that way but being married had zero to do with it. And yeah....I wouldn't take what she said seriously. I suspect that many of the people who disparage your relationship whould KILL to have what you have.

IdLikeToBeAFraser · 24/06/2024 12:16

Yes, do not give this another thought. So ridiculous. She's probably also the type who says things like, "oh, you never truly know what love is until you have a child."

You have a relationship that makes you and your DP happy and fulfilled. You are clearly completely right for each other. That is the important thing.

For the record, DH and I ARE married, but we also have separate hobbies and friends and do a lot apart. Sometimes I worry that this means we're not properly together, but then I look at us as individuals and realise that neither one of us would be okay in a relationship that needed to be more intense. we LIKE having our own space. We LIKE having freedom. Doesn't mean our marriage isn't completely solid.

TwoThousandAcresofBlueSkyThinking · 24/06/2024 12:17

'But when you meet someone you truly love and feel passionate about, you'll want to get married too.'

😒As if you've spent the last 22 years going through all that you have with your partner just waiting for someone else to turn up. She doesn't sound very bright.

Who is anyone to have an opinion on your relationship, that they know next to nothing about.

OriginalUsername2 · 24/06/2024 12:25

Dowhatyouwanttodo · 24/06/2024 12:11

You sound like friendly housemates rather than partners. However if you’re genuinely happy don’t worry what others think.

That’s so insulting.

OriginalUsername2 · 24/06/2024 12:26

I think the bride has got some front tbh. Third marriage but talking down to you about your secure, long term one when you’ve been through thick and thin together.

Motnight · 24/06/2024 12:26

DH and I got married after 30 years together. We did it for legal and financial reasons.

Anyone who considers our relationship to be more committed or loving or whatever since we married is wrong 😬

Op when people give you their take on your relationship they are thinking from their own point of view, not yours.

Poolstream · 24/06/2024 12:28

I have a bil and sil been married many years, who hold hands when out, are always having fancy meals with champagne and on sm regularly have a photo of a bouquet received.

For various reasons he’s a knobhead we don’t see them much but for years I thought they were a very happy couple whose lives were something to be envied.

I’ve recently learned that he has opened a separate bank account so she can’t see what he’s spending, he calls her controlling and yet the evidence is that he’s the controlling partner. The adult dd rules the roost and abuses them financially because her df allows this although it upsets his dw.

You never know what is really happening in a relationship.

DramaLlamaBangBang · 24/06/2024 12:30

I wouldn't be taking lessons on marriage from someone on their 3rd one!

Shan5474 · 24/06/2024 12:37

I think saying you’ll want to get married when you meet someone you truly love was very rude. A wedding and a piece of paper isn’t proof of love and your relationship sounds stronger than any of her (several) relationships have been