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Feeling undermined after attending wedding

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failedthepsychopathtest · 24/06/2024 10:45

My DP and I have been together 22 years. We have a low-key, quiet sort of commitment that's manifested in the little things we do for each other, not in fancy words or gestures. We've never sent each other a Valentine's card or celebrated an anniversary but we've weathered illness, financial disasters, job losses, a full set of four sick, demented and dying parents and the rest. We're sometimes huggy and hand-holdy, but usually when we think no one's looking. We sometimes bicker and occasionally argue and have a day or two of not liking each other very much, but we're essentially kind and respectful towards each other. We've only said 'I love you' a few times in all the years: I didn't fall madly in love with him and he didn't with me. We were friends who became lovers and partners.

A few among our friends and family seem to think that because we've never married and because we give each other a lot of freedom (we both have our own friendship circles and hobbies and go away without the other) and because we don't call each other darling and because we're emotionally independent and don't miss each other dreadfully when one of us goes away, we're not properly bonded. We have no children so never felt the need to marry. We've both been financially independent and fairly equal in terms of our income, property ownership and pensions, so there's no pressure there.

This weekend we went to the wedding of two friends who've been living together for a couple of years. He is very cerebral, academic and normally not very emotional (he's on the autistic spectrum and talks openly about it). She's romantic with a capital R. She likes being married (she's been married twice before) and she likes calling her DH 'my beloved soulmate'. They had a full-on register office wedding with people reading romantic poetry and their vows were full of declarations about being truly, madly, deeply in love forever. She was clearly in heaven: I don't think I've ever seen anyone smile so broadly for so many hours.

The reception was lovely, lots of old friends to catch up with. At one point the bride and I had a chat and I was very complimentary (of course) about the wedding and said how lovely it was to see her so happy. She said something along the lines of 'I don't know why you two don't get married.' Then a momentary pause and a concerned expression, followed by 'But when you meet someone you truly love and feel passionate about, you'll want to get married too.' She wasn't the only person there to talk to us in that sort of way — as if somehow our 22 years together was invalidated by the fact that we haven't stood up in public and declared undying love for each other.

Despite all my attempts to tell myself that she and I are very different and what's right for her isn't right for me, I've felt undermined and vaguely upset since then. On top of that I feel bad for feeling weird about such a nice day, with her so happy. Today I've woken up feeling demoralised and sad at the thought that our quiet, unshowy dedication to each other isn't regarded as the real thing by a lot of people. I feel as if we're seen as 'less than'.

I've heard single friends talk about finding weddings an emotional strain. They'd love to have a partner and so the whole darling-soulmate-eternal-love thing can be quite painful for them.

Is there anyone out there who has had a similar experience at a happy event? Thoughts?

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failedthepsychopathtest · 24/06/2024 16:51

I hope you find someone who'll suit you before long. I hope I haven't made it seem as if it's a bed of roses: we have difficult patches as well a good ones and we don't always like each other very much.

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KomodoOhno · 24/06/2024 16:56

Well OP clearly she's the expert on marriage. She's done it plenty of times! She also has much experience with divorce. Don't let her get to you.

Purpleday1 · 24/06/2024 16:56

Really bloody rude.
What a pompous twatty thing to say.
I find over the top declarations cringe and vulgar (shoot me).
Her third wedding...I think you can definitely place a well aimed dig about your 22 years if you are unfortunate enough to be in her company again.

What you have sounds absolutely wonderful and sincere.
Choosing to be still there for each other, 22 years on is a real blessing.

clarepetal · 24/06/2024 16:58

Everleigh13 · 24/06/2024 11:19

I think your friend was incredibly rude. It was not her place to make those comments and I wouldn’t put any weight on what she thinks of your relationship.

Exactly this. And you don't need to have loads of romantic platitudes in public to prove anything.
My partner and I aren't married but I do love him (could punch him in the face some days, mind) but when I had food poisoning and shat the bed on valentines night and ended up spending the night watching IT on TV I knew he was a keeper, also how supportive he was when my dad passed away. This is real love, not show offy love.

BirthdayRainbow · 24/06/2024 17:00

I agree with a lot but she might be on her third marriage because the other two were dicks and not because she's some something wrong.

Everyone wants different things but I think if you're happy and confident in your choices it shouldn't bother you for more than a minute.

RealityPrinciple · 24/06/2024 17:05

Your friend sounds, if not exactly an idiot, then at least someone lacking theory of mind enough to grasp that different people do things differently.

DH and I were together over 20 years before we married, and we married only for a pragmatic reason, with two witnesses. As we had a lot of other stuff going on in both our lives, I don't think we told anyone we'd got married for quite a few years afterwards, and in fact only realised recently that a friend we'd known very well in the 90s, and reconnected with post-Covid when we ended up living in the same country, had no idea we'd married in the interim.

And you know why not?

Because it made precisely fuck all difference to our (very happy) relationship, just put it on a legal footing in a way that was, frankly, easier than trying to have someone draw up a document that replicated as far as possible marital rights/benefits.

And we didn't 'stand up and declare undying love', we stood in jeans in a register office and signed something, and then went for a wonderful lunch with our witnesses and had a bottle of champagne that I still remember with pleasure. And life went on as before, very happily.

We were unmarried for nearly 21 years, and we've been married for 12. No gulf separated these two periods.

SiriAlexa · 24/06/2024 17:09

@failedthepsychopathtest

I think your description of your relationship IS romantic because the support, confidence and companionship you describe is what real love is all about. Your post about having a quiet and low key commitment is a beautiful description of your relationship. Many people would envy what you have.

The bride sounds like an insecure idiot.

Ilovemyshed · 24/06/2024 17:15

OP, you clearly have a partnership that works and you are both similar and very happy. You don't need to be showy or shouty about it at all.

The only thing I would say though, is that being married in later life is not such a bad idea from a next of kin and pension perspective and you should take a good look at your risks around that. If you do decide to marry, then a non showy register office with witnesses is perfectly fine!

Twotimesrhymes · 24/06/2024 17:18

For a women married twice before and those marriages failed .. she was rude and foolish wasn’t she ?!!!

smugness isn’t attractive and your relationship has stood the test of time and sounds genuine and healthy

TheFormidableMrsC · 24/06/2024 17:22

I honestly wouldn't be taking comments from somebody who is on her third marriage. That's ridiculous. You are happy and content and settled and that counts for everything. I envy your set up! Take no notice!

Hatty65 · 24/06/2024 17:26

You are a kinder soul than me, OP.

I'd have laughed and said, 'Third time lucky, hey? Let's hope there isn't a fourth,' to the bitchy bride if she'd made that comment to me. But I'm buggered if I'm going to be patronised or talked down to by anyone - wedding day or no.

I'd put it out your head to be honest. All relationships are different and other people's opinions are irrelevant if your relationship works for you.

Tillievanilly · 24/06/2024 17:32

It’s her issue not yours. You sound calm and content. Your friend is perhaps more showy. You don’t need to spend a lot of money to be with someone forever. Every relationship is different. Maybe the issue is that she judged you.

SquirrelSoShiny · 24/06/2024 17:33

Her marriage is doomed.

You do you OP.

BirthdayRainbow · 24/06/2024 17:41

failedthepsychopathtest · 24/06/2024 16:01

Not quite sure what to make of this one. If you're implying that our relationship is asexual then you's be wrong. Quite why anyone would assume that because we don't do 'darling' this and 'darling' that, or tell other people we're soulmates, or go on 'romantic' breaks to hotels with spas and four-posters doesn't mean we don't have sex...

That's not what they were saying at all!

IamaRevenant · 24/06/2024 17:55

failedthepsychopathtest · 24/06/2024 16:01

Not quite sure what to make of this one. If you're implying that our relationship is asexual then you's be wrong. Quite why anyone would assume that because we don't do 'darling' this and 'darling' that, or tell other people we're soulmates, or go on 'romantic' breaks to hotels with spas and four-posters doesn't mean we don't have sex...

Um I was just trying to support your relationship. As in everyone has different standards or needs. Yours may be different from others but that doesn't make it wrong. No offence intended!

failedthepsychopathtest · 24/06/2024 17:57

IamaRevenant · 24/06/2024 17:55

Um I was just trying to support your relationship. As in everyone has different standards or needs. Yours may be different from others but that doesn't make it wrong. No offence intended!

Sorry, must have misread/ misinterpreted it in light of a couple of people saying we sounded like housemates. As you were.

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heinzseight · 24/06/2024 17:57

I give it six months.

failedthepsychopathtest · 24/06/2024 17:58

SquirrelSoShiny · 24/06/2024 17:33

Her marriage is doomed.

You do you OP.

I hope not because even if I feel a bit grrrrr towards her at the moment, I really like her new DH and I wouldn't want him to be unhappy.

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Decompressing2 · 24/06/2024 18:00

this is her third wedding and you’ve been together 22 years…you are a good friend for not pointing this out to her on her wedding day..

AffIt · 24/06/2024 18:04

Hatty65 · 24/06/2024 17:26

You are a kinder soul than me, OP.

I'd have laughed and said, 'Third time lucky, hey? Let's hope there isn't a fourth,' to the bitchy bride if she'd made that comment to me. But I'm buggered if I'm going to be patronised or talked down to by anyone - wedding day or no.

I'd put it out your head to be honest. All relationships are different and other people's opinions are irrelevant if your relationship works for you.

One of my brothers in law recently remarried for the third time.

Obviously I am very fond of my OH and his other brother is a great guy, but this one I'm not so fond of because he's a twat (three brothers, same parents, same upbringing, two are great and one's an arsehole. Nature v nurture, eh?).

Anyway, I couldn't make the wedding which was fine in itself, but I was mildly put out when my OH wouldn't let me RSVP with 'sorry can't make this one, see you next time?'. 😉

Spacecowboys · 24/06/2024 18:05

Your friend is on her third marriage! A relationship of over 20 years vs someone who is on her third ‘beloved soulmate’. Seriously, why are you feeling undermined. She’s bonkers.

SquirrelSoShiny · 24/06/2024 18:08

failedthepsychopathtest · 24/06/2024 17:58

I hope not because even if I feel a bit grrrrr towards her at the moment, I really like her new DH and I wouldn't want him to be unhappy.

Unfortunately if you look at the ASD Relationship thread you will see this dynamic over and over again. Calm, unromantic man meets romantic, emotional woman. (Autistic man meets ADHD woman). Seem like soulmates for a while, then the emotional unavailability and lack of emotional reciprocation starts leading to utter misery.

Still at least she has a track record of leaving. Many of us stayed and hoped things would improve, then ended up chronically ill and trapped. Cynical I know but I have watched this dynamic play out over and over.

Sillystrumpet · 24/06/2024 18:18

Hmmm, that’s twice now you’ve said one day you will need to get married /civil partnership, which does make me wonder if deep down it’s what you want.

you likely missed it, but do you live together, as the way it is written it would indicate you do not.

failedthepsychopathtest · 24/06/2024 18:23

And how many times have I said it's for Inheritance Tax reasons only?

Other posters are saying the same thing: they've lived happily together for years but eventually married in order to secure their legal and tax rights. That is the only reason.

The idea that all of us are secretly desperate to walk down the aisle is really depressing.

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failedthepsychopathtest · 24/06/2024 18:27

SquirrelSoShiny · 24/06/2024 18:08

Unfortunately if you look at the ASD Relationship thread you will see this dynamic over and over again. Calm, unromantic man meets romantic, emotional woman. (Autistic man meets ADHD woman). Seem like soulmates for a while, then the emotional unavailability and lack of emotional reciprocation starts leading to utter misery.

Still at least she has a track record of leaving. Many of us stayed and hoped things would improve, then ended up chronically ill and trapped. Cynical I know but I have watched this dynamic play out over and over.

This is rather depressing to read. Are people who are in love with being in love really more likely to be ADHD?

I explained upthread that sadly her first husband died young. So really only one failed marriage.

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