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Stumped.. even at my advanced age by guy?

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Swanmute · 23/06/2024 20:51

Would welcome all advice. Dating again in midlife.. been with loving, attentive partner for six months, sex life revigorated. Promises made, holidays booked etc etc. phones me all time.. utterly loving. Yesterday I was shocked that he drove me home from his house early, barely after 10 pm, gave me my coat and casserole dish( I’d cooked tea) and basically’ There’s your hat, what’s your hurry’.. attitude. Today not willing to talk about it, closed down. I asked for conversation to clarify..not happened. So I’m giving him space but he does know I’m finding his behaviour unfathomable.
Two factors he works away.. part of time offshore, we’ve managed this well to date, love seeing him when he’s home. Secondly my adult son is recovering from cancer, going well waiting at moment for CT scan which will hopefully be clear. This man was Uber communicative to me, incredibly responsive and communicative. Was I love bombed..not feeling great tonight?

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SiobhanSharpe · 24/06/2024 01:20

LittleGreenDragons · 23/06/2024 23:01

I'm sorry OP, I'm not surprised you feel bad. But you shouldn't be, this is on him.

You've twice stated he loves his golf so I'm wondering if he had a booking at a course that he wanted to get to early in the morning, and the best way to ensure you were out of the way was to insist on driving you home instead of you having your car. I bet the lack of sex with ex was down to her beings sick of being a golfing widow.

Treat this one with caution, he's not being kind.

This sounds right to me. He had an early tee time and wanted to make sure you were out of the way.
Twattish behaviour, though. What is it about golf that makes sone people so obsessed?

Lavenderandbrown · 24/06/2024 03:11

Golf is so popular in the USA it seems odd to me he would need to get you “out” for an early tee time. Surely he would just say…tee time 0730. MN talks about golf hobby but it’s normal to me…many golfers in my fam and they are still good DH and Ddad. The alarm setting seems particularly off to me..I get wanting to have an evening in with you cooking and then slipping into the bedroom probably felt very comfortable but it smacks of a booty call to me based on his actions afterwards. I thought he would let you sleep bring you home late or in early am even if he wanted to golf. Did you feel like it was booty call complete with homemade dinner? it’s very off behavior to me OP and I too was single in my 40s. I think he lost interest or is interested in someone else. And the silence treatment…that seems more ominous too…does he plan on ghosting you?

bevelino · 24/06/2024 03:26

Frangipanyoul8r · 24/06/2024 00:15

The snoozing thing sounds pretty odd to me. Was he disappointed you’d fallen asleep so early? If I was due to drive someone home rather than then stay the night, the fact they’d fallen asleep would be a pretty obvious sign it was time for them to leave.

This

Falling asleep by 9:30pm is odd and he probably thought if there is not going to be any conversation he might as well take you home.

Parliing · 24/06/2024 04:06

If he’s “backed off” OP I wouldn’t share any more feelings with him - I would simply leave him to it and keep contact (if any is actually necessary ) only any relevant practical issues. There is no point in giving him anything more, he doesn’t deserve it. Absolutely move on quickly with your head held high.

Parliing · 24/06/2024 04:09

Loubelle70 · 23/06/2024 23:46

Initial payment on holiday, you can change details on that booking and continue to pay...go with your son.
This guy is a divorcee who wants fun and no commitment..he also knows most women wont put out or do anything for him if he was honest about his wanting fun... especially at his age. Don't overthink it...ignore him..dont initiate anymore. Don't get reeled in again. Make plans for yourself

^ This.

He may also just suddenly decided he didn’t want anything serious.

Mummyoflittledragon · 24/06/2024 04:57

Kumquaat · 24/06/2024 00:14

This is the point I was making. Who was lovebombing who? Plus why do we even use that silly term? In the olden days before labels it was simply called falling in love with someone, which is usually a 2 sided business.

I don’t think love bombing is a silly term. I was definitely love bombed for sex as a teen. We just didn’t know the term for it. He didn’t fall in love with me as he was in love with himself.

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Nice

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MamaSleep · 24/06/2024 06:04

How did you leave the conversation?

StarsBeneathMyFeet · 24/06/2024 06:21

Kumquaat · 24/06/2024 00:14

This is the point I was making. Who was lovebombing who? Plus why do we even use that silly term? In the olden days before labels it was simply called falling in love with someone, which is usually a 2 sided business.

It is a proper term for a specific behaviour. Showering someone with gifts, praise, adulation early on to encourage the other person to fall in love..but this phase can’t last and is the behaviour of someone who is disingenuous. When they withdraw it, you are left craving that behaviour that made you feel wonderful and hope to get the person who you fell in love with back. It messes with your head.
I spent years trying to get the man I fell in love with back. Separated in the end..later realised I man I’d fallen for never existed.

jubs15 · 24/06/2024 07:11

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She mentioned it's because she has pets.

furryblanky · 24/06/2024 07:17

I reckon he had a bad stomach or something and was embarrassed

Swanmute · 24/06/2024 07:37

bevelino · 24/06/2024 03:26

This

Falling asleep by 9:30pm is odd and he probably thought if there is not going to be any conversation he might as well take you home.

To explain we had spent the late afternoon together, I’d cooked and we’d eaten and then made love for a couple of hours.We were cuddling in bed when I began to drift off. He apparently set alarm for half an hour on phone then made me get up.. it was 9. 30 pm. When I came downstairs he was sitting in half darkness with his coat on hand and ushered me out. He didn’t have guppy tummy or anything. Normally we might have had a cup of tea and watched telly. I planned to leave a couple of hours after this but had no choice. It did feel, after six months of him protesting love and planning a future… like a booty call.

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Swanmute · 24/06/2024 07:40

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Yes I sometimes stay over when my son is home and he can look after my pets? My partner usually loved this..

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Swanmute · 24/06/2024 07:42

StarsBeneathMyFeet · 24/06/2024 06:21

It is a proper term for a specific behaviour. Showering someone with gifts, praise, adulation early on to encourage the other person to fall in love..but this phase can’t last and is the behaviour of someone who is disingenuous. When they withdraw it, you are left craving that behaviour that made you feel wonderful and hope to get the person who you fell in love with back. It messes with your head.
I spent years trying to get the man I fell in love with back. Separated in the end..later realised I man I’d fallen for never existed.

This is what I’m starting to feel..that I didn’t really know him at all?

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Swanmute · 24/06/2024 07:50

MamaSleep · 24/06/2024 06:04

How did you leave the conversation?

His behaviour was so strange in ushering me out that we only exchanged a word or two in the car. I thanked him for driving me and said ‘see you later’. I was hurt at this point. He didn’t communicate much on Sunday, when I tried to clarify what happened he shut down, accepts no blame and went silent on me. I’ve left it. My son gets results of a CT scan this week after having cancer last year.. so that’s my priority. The plans we made for this week, going out etc are in abeyance. He’s left me dangling actually.. plus we’ve booked hols for October, also kaput?

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MamaSleep · 24/06/2024 08:03

Swanmute · 24/06/2024 07:50

His behaviour was so strange in ushering me out that we only exchanged a word or two in the car. I thanked him for driving me and said ‘see you later’. I was hurt at this point. He didn’t communicate much on Sunday, when I tried to clarify what happened he shut down, accepts no blame and went silent on me. I’ve left it. My son gets results of a CT scan this week after having cancer last year.. so that’s my priority. The plans we made for this week, going out etc are in abeyance. He’s left me dangling actually.. plus we’ve booked hols for October, also kaput?

Yeah I think as hard has it is, you have to leave it. This isn’t the behaviour of a gent. Your son is your priority. So sorry though that you thought things were going well and he’s turned out like this!

StopInhalingRevels · 24/06/2024 08:03

PaminaMozart · 24/06/2024 00:09

So, you "gave him lots of attention" and "tried to be loving supportive partner".

You say "I’ve been assertive and careful with my heart but he made me open up.. there’s a gut instinct however that he’s been too perfect, said all right stuff"

Plus you "felt he was the one".

I think you were trying to move this 6 months relationship on too quickly...... and he got cold feet.

Sorry OP, but a little bit this.

Did you book the holiday? Have you made the initial payment?

Choux · 24/06/2024 08:30

LittleGreenDragons · 23/06/2024 23:18

maybe I’m being managed around golf. It was a significant part to end of his marriage.

If he wouldn't change for his family unit to the point it broke his marriage then he's not going to change for his latest squeeze. He will expect you to fall in line like his ex eventually did, but he will treat you like he treated (trained) his wife. Stonewalled and unable to question what HE does in HIS time. How dare you!

I suspect this is the real him.

The weather got a whole lot better in the UK this weekend. Perfect golf weather. Playing well means getting some good sleep the night before. So best to drive you home at 10pm rather than midnight or 1am but he didn't want to say that was the reason as you have previously told him 'don't prioritise golf over me'.

He can only play golf on his onshore days and it's golf season now. This is the peak time for him and his hobby so now you are feeling a shift in his behaviour. He put golf above his family life and, having got to know you over the winter and spring, he still wants to put golf first. He has 10 days onshore. He doesn't want to do day trips with you as that's a day of golfing missed. So he's got to be off with you to get out of it.

Swanmute · 24/06/2024 08:32

Yes.. initial payment was made, by him actually. Just to add, although I did fall for him in big way.. he was one making most of the romantic gestures and future promises. He really wooed me and I was the more laid back one if anything. I didn’t expect marriage just liked being in a reciprocal loving relationship.

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Swanmute · 24/06/2024 08:44

Choux · 24/06/2024 08:30

The weather got a whole lot better in the UK this weekend. Perfect golf weather. Playing well means getting some good sleep the night before. So best to drive you home at 10pm rather than midnight or 1am but he didn't want to say that was the reason as you have previously told him 'don't prioritise golf over me'.

He can only play golf on his onshore days and it's golf season now. This is the peak time for him and his hobby so now you are feeling a shift in his behaviour. He put golf above his family life and, having got to know you over the winter and spring, he still wants to put golf first. He has 10 days onshore. He doesn't want to do day trips with you as that's a day of golfing missed. So he's got to be off with you to get out of it.

This is close to what I’m starting to feel..? I was upset about being ushered out but his response is guaranteed to push me away.. We had planned to meet late morning today but that’s clearly not happening. So he’s got the days back for potential golf? The crazy thing is I don’t mind he’s a golf nut.. it’s the manipulation of me and my time I mind? Thanks..,

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Parliing · 24/06/2024 09:12

If he’s paid the deposit for holiday, so his loss and no need to contact him. He doesn’t deserve a conversation.

Who knows what his motives were. He may have love bombed you. Or he may have pursued you and then changed his mind. Did you see no red flags? Sometimes a wish for a relationship can blind us temporarily? Or else maybe there were none.

Either way it sounds like he was careless with your feelings, and not “a gentleman” as a previous poster said. Not a decent man.

I had a slightly similar experience (I couldn’t see the red flags clearly). I “got over” him very quickly as realised he was awful very quickly. However what was harder was feeling foolish and emotionally and sexually taken advantage of. But I hadn’t meant harm to anyone, just overestimated him and under-values myself. He OTOH I realised had been a creepy unfeeling user. A bitter lesson I’m afraid but that’s the way it was and lesson learnt; I would never undervalue myself like that again. Unfortunately sometimes these lessons continue later in life, as it did for me anyway. You’re not the only one. The writer Elizabeth Jane Howard met an actual romantic conman in her 70s and wrote a novel “Falling” based on her scary experience.

Swanmute · 24/06/2024 09:19

Parliing · 24/06/2024 09:12

If he’s paid the deposit for holiday, so his loss and no need to contact him. He doesn’t deserve a conversation.

Who knows what his motives were. He may have love bombed you. Or he may have pursued you and then changed his mind. Did you see no red flags? Sometimes a wish for a relationship can blind us temporarily? Or else maybe there were none.

Either way it sounds like he was careless with your feelings, and not “a gentleman” as a previous poster said. Not a decent man.

I had a slightly similar experience (I couldn’t see the red flags clearly). I “got over” him very quickly as realised he was awful very quickly. However what was harder was feeling foolish and emotionally and sexually taken advantage of. But I hadn’t meant harm to anyone, just overestimated him and under-values myself. He OTOH I realised had been a creepy unfeeling user. A bitter lesson I’m afraid but that’s the way it was and lesson learnt; I would never undervalue myself like that again. Unfortunately sometimes these lessons continue later in life, as it did for me anyway. You’re not the only one. The writer Elizabeth Jane Howard met an actual romantic conman in her 70s and wrote a novel “Falling” based on her scary experience.

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Thanks.. I’m reluctant to think he’s been a user but I do think he’s manipulating this situation and the silence is awful because he’d been so communicative? Re red flags.. the only one has been the actual reason his marriage broke down.( She put him out at start of pandemic and they divorced 2 years later) He has said they only stayed together for the kids when younger but his golf obsession contributed.

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Parliing · 24/06/2024 09:27

The thing is everyone has the right to change their mind, though hopefully in a decent way, not hustling one out of their house after sex. Whether he had been manipulative all along or not I guess is only something you can work out. In my case I think I was actually unknowingly ‘used’ in the sense that he gave no real actual thought to my feelings as a person either throughout or at the sudden ending, I was just a means to an end.