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Men of today.

271 replies

Lustnotlove · 14/06/2024 08:11

What's happened too men these days? They are not the same as they was 15-20 years ago, no commitment, no loyalty, no respect, no ambition, no teamwork? I think I've given up with the L word 🤣🤷🏼‍♀️ maybe it's me but I feel there's no decent guys out there anymore 🤷🏼‍♀️ it's actually sad as when your young you have all these dreams don't you?

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DotDashDot24 · 16/06/2024 18:11

id tell them to "fuck off"

You'll still have to pay 12% plus of your salary, dickhead.

DotDashDot24 · 16/06/2024 18:16

sucessfull men dating sucessfull women

There are dictionaries and spell checkers online.

Try going on there (instead of red pill, mgtow, Andrew Tate etc. site).

At 25, you have no excuse whatsoever.

SeatedattheVirginals · 16/06/2024 18:21

GingerDude98 · 16/06/2024 16:45

@DullFanFiction well im happy because I managed to find myself a lovely girl who meets my standards, even my GF said that she cant understand how women can sleep around.

But a woman can continue to sleep around and chase a degree although usually these men that you want to settle down with (i.e tall, career driven, hard working, athletic, masculine, would make sure to help thier woman out and be there for her etc) usually want a girl with a low/no body count.

Thats why lots of men are travelling abroad for wives because most western women aint even worth a mcdonalds.

It’s really difficult to grasp why you’ve struggled to find women interested in a relationship with you. A total mystery. Because semi-literate sexists are so attractive.

SouthLondonMum22 · 16/06/2024 18:26

GingerDude98 · 16/06/2024 14:07

@DotDashDot24 because many of you women are so clueless about what men find attractive (or you just dont seem to care). You women seem to think that we care about a womans degree and that we dont care about a womans sexual past, then you are telling your daughters this who then end up sleeping around, doing porn, onlyfans etc and then they will end up complaining about not finding a man who will give them kids.

Maybe women might find men with degree's attractive or men with sexual experience attractive (I've heard plenty of women say they are turned off by virgin men) but us men are attracted to different things.

I dont want a woman who has slept around and chases a career trying to become a CEO or manager because thats what men do, I dont want to be dating a man lol

‘You men’ aren’t all the same.

Thank fuck for that.

Comedycook · 16/06/2024 19:22

Although I defiantly do love my GF

Definitely or defiantly? 😂

and I make sure to treat her well, I take her on holidays and days out, im going to be paying a 15 grand deposite for a house

£15k.... wow, is it a wendy house?

DullFanFiction · 16/06/2024 19:24

GingerDude98 · 16/06/2024 16:45

@DullFanFiction well im happy because I managed to find myself a lovely girl who meets my standards, even my GF said that she cant understand how women can sleep around.

But a woman can continue to sleep around and chase a degree although usually these men that you want to settle down with (i.e tall, career driven, hard working, athletic, masculine, would make sure to help thier woman out and be there for her etc) usually want a girl with a low/no body count.

Thats why lots of men are travelling abroad for wives because most western women aint even worth a mcdonalds.

I think you have comprehension issues.

A lot of women will much prefer to be single instead.

As for the ‘tall, masculine blabla’ trope, none of it has ever been on my list of qualities. And I know it isn’t for many women either - esp as so very few men actually fur that description anyway 😂😂

Being emotionally literate, treating me as equal, being respectful and caring. Yes that’s on my list.

Interesting it’s not on yours. Wonder why 🙄🙄

DullFanFiction · 16/06/2024 19:26

Also noting you can’t put an argument together without insulting women too.

Is that lack of ability/comprehension or because that’s the only way you see women?

Hope you’ll never have a daughter tbh.

Comedycook · 16/06/2024 19:26

DotDashDot24 · 16/06/2024 17:07

Thats why lots of men are travelling abroad for wives because most western women aint even worth a mcdonalds.

More red pill, incel script.

They wouldn't give you the time of day if they didn't want a visa and money.

You're just exploiting their poverty and lack of opportunities.....which is immoral.

Some of them use the man for the visa and then bring over their "brother" (real husband from their country) ....and I couldn't even feel sorry for the western exploiter husband in those cases.

I've known women from impoverished third world undemocratic countries who were working in The ME, and when they're looking for boyfriends, their first question is how much the guy earns. That says it all.

They then extract as much money as they can for themselves and their families back home throughout the marriage. I know one who bargains for designer gear to impress & compete with her friends and family, her husband gets a certain amount of time gaming, if she gets a designer handbag. It's an economic arrangement and she's superficial, and insincere in her relationship. If that's what certain men aspire to, good luck to them.

Edited

Exactly this. Men who actively head off abroad to find a woman generally do so because they struggle to attract women who aren't living in poverty and are utterly desperate.

Lustnotlove · 16/06/2024 19:30

GingerDude98 · 16/06/2024 17:31

@DotDashDot24 yeah usually those sucessfull men dating sucessfull women were with each other young and never slept around. If your a sucessful man with a buisness you dont want men saying to themselfs "I slept with his woman one time" or "His woman is a slag" because that makes the man look bad.

A high earning woman still wants a high earning man and they dont date a man who makes less. While a high earning man would date a woman who works in tesco and makes minimum wage (like that guy I mentioned about in one of my posts).

Honestly if me and my GF break up then I aint never dating a woman again (unless she has the same traits as my GF). Most modern day women my age who have slept around id just pretend to love them just for sex and kids, then once they gave me kids then id tell them to "fuck off" because I aint loving some woman who has slept around.

Although I defiantly do love my GF and I make sure to treat her well, I take her on holidays and days out, im going to be paying a 15 grand deposite for a house and put both of our names on the house. However, a woman who is a slag doesnt deserve any of that imo

I think personally your old narrow minded opinions are very rude.

You have said quite a few offensive and incredibly sexist comments in regards to women. You've basically said that women who go to uni all sleep about, single mums are slags and no man wants a woman with a degree, I think your forgetting we are living well in the future from the old days where women didn't work or have partners before getting married and only married and stayed with the one person they slept with etc those days are well and truly over, women now are stronger and more independent and don't rely on men, we go out and we support our children on our own, we have dreams and ambition I most certainly do, and will definitely be pursuing that too when I'm in a bit of a better situation! I've been single for 2 and half years as the last bloke I got with after my ex husband was another moron and tried to manipulate and control me and I wasn't having any of it! I'd rather be on my own than be with some absolute wanker! But these days it's hard to find a decent guy who is loyal, respectful and wants the same things as you. All I seem to come across is weirdo men who think it's ok to just bombard my inbox with dick pictures 🤢🤢🤢

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StrawPony · 16/06/2024 19:32

As the mother of both boys & a girl, I would give them the same advice. To look for someone that is a nice person first and foremost, is respectful and treats others how they would like to be treated. Avoid anyone generalising and using derogatory language about others!

PinkLemonade555 · 16/06/2024 19:35

@GingerDude98 I really feel so so so sorry for your girlfriend.

I mean, you have to be a wind up.

C1N1C · 16/06/2024 19:37

Barefootsally · 14/06/2024 10:56

Online dating has ruined dating for women.

The men see it as being in a candy shop with too much choice. If you do t put out straight away they have plenty of others to choose from.

I think it's the opposite. Those women have the pick of a million men, so you can be extremely critical. Men who are after sex won't get it because the majority are going to be vetoed. Women still have the power.

C1N1C · 16/06/2024 20:02

@GingerDude98 Been watching too much hard pill network?

GingerDude98 · 16/06/2024 20:42

@C1N1C its true that women are the ones who have the pick of millions of men, women chose who they have sex with although men chose who they date/marry.

GingerDude98 · 16/06/2024 21:00

@Lustnotlove I didnt say all single mothers are slags and im sure there are women who went to uni but didnt sleep around. its not that I dont want a woman with a degree, I just dont care if she has a degree or not (its not on most mens lists on what they want in a woman). although if my GF ever wanted to go to uni in the future then great.

although I value sex and I have never been the one to sleep around so I also looked for women with the same mindset. me personally I just couldnt love a woman who in the past has been used for one night and why should I spend money on her, love her etc when those other men didnt want to?

there are plenty of weirdo men out there and I've never understood how a man thinks that sending a willy picture before even getting to know a woman works 😂

but last week a friend of mine at work managed to pull off a threesome with two women. how it happend was one of these girls liked him so apparently she got her mate out (who is already in a relationship) and then gave him a threesome. then the next morning he dropped this girl home to where her boyfriend was waiting. what a filthy cunt that woman is and honestly girls like that need named and shamed so that men know in the future not to date them.

but I hear lots of stories of single men I know sleeping with married women or women who are taken. there are defiantly good, quality women out there and im very lucky to have found one. there are also good women who unfortinatly end up with a man who is abusive and who cheats.

society is too sex obsessed now (due to porn) and I also hate how they are trying to normalize shit like "open marriages". you should of seen my work mate, he was running around work all happy showing pictures of these girls that he apparently had a threesome with and then calling them "sluts" (btw the guy is 5ft 6, chubby with bad teeth while these girls were attractive). lots of men who you give one night stands to will just call you a "slut" behind your back and will show thier mates pictures of you, these men who you sleep with casually most likely dont respect you anyway (thats why women shouldnt be sleeping around or giving sex away easily)

DotDashDot24 · 16/06/2024 21:04

Definitely or defiantly?

Pmsl.

Missed that one.

Somebody needs to get off the red pill & MRA sites and redo GCSE English.

I think we've hit red pill, woman hating bingo on every number by now.

No wonder he doesn't want a woman with a degree; a woman with a degree would cringe every time they read a message from him. They'd be thinking "I'm going to have to do every single fucking homework with our kids for the foreseeable future".

Anyway, Heard it all before, 100 times. Can we have an original thought please. Something Andrew Tate has spouted, while frothing at the mouth.

DotDashDot24 · 16/06/2024 21:12

what a filthy cunt that woman is

Coming from a guy who says he'll have kids with a woman who's "slept around" but dump her when he feels like it (and not tell her he'll never commit to her and will dump her sooner or later .... until after she has his kids) ...... That's a bit rich.

She's still not as filthy a cunt as you say you're prepared to be.

You are increasing sounding unhinged on here.

DotDashDot24 · 16/06/2024 21:14

*Something Andrew Tate hasn't spouted

Comedycook · 16/06/2024 21:23

I have never been the one to sleep around

😂yes I defiantly believe you when you say that.

DotDashDot24 · 16/06/2024 21:26

me personally I just couldnt love a woman who in the past has been used for one night and why should I spend money on her, love her etc when those other men didnt want to?

You interpretation of a ONS between consenting adults is a woman "being used for one night".
Why is the woman being used? If she wanted a ONS and chose it, why is she being "used"? Are they not equally using each other, if you want to stick with the word "use"?

And what do you mean, "why would I spend money on her, if those other men didn't want to?"
Why would money be involved? Like many women do, she probably earns her own money. She possibly earns as much or more money than the guy she had the ONS with, so how does money come into it? Why would he be spending money on her?

Do you mean dating & why do you make the huge assumption that the man would be spending money and not the woman - when a lot of people go Dutch if they earn around the same? Are you living in the 1950s?

And on the dating thing ...why would you also make the huge assumption that it was the man's decision and only his decision to make the ONS, just a ONS? That a woman couldn't want just a ONS from the start or decide that was all she wanted out of the situation at some point during it?

There are a about a hundred totally and utterly chauvinist values and assumptions behind everything you say. And you don't live in the real world.

DotDashDot24 · 16/06/2024 21:31

and honestly girls like that need named and shamed so that men know in the future not to date them.

You say you'll abandon a woman after she has your kids ... . Do you not need named and shamed so woman know not to date you or have kids with you??

DotDashDot24 · 16/06/2024 21:34

although men chose who they date/marry

I hate to break it to you, but a lot of men don't have a fucking clue about the history of women they marry and/or have kids with.

And vice versa.

Thewookiemustgo · 16/06/2024 21:36

TheScenicWay · 14/06/2024 09:06

Generally, women have become stronger and more capable, they work, they keep their home environment decent, they bring up children and they have a social life.
It's all stressful too so they need a good partner who can be supportive and take on an equal share.
Unfortunately, men have become weaker and are unable to do this.

My late grandma was born at the end of the nineteenth century and married at 18. She went through two world wars, had two jobs, her house was like a new pin, brought my late mother up to be a hard working, decent, loving woman,. She also cared for a husband who became disabled through a stroke in his thirties. She’s one of the strongest women I’ve ever had the privilege to know. I’ve never met a stronger or more capable woman. The factory she worked in was full of married women with children. Poorer people lived in extended families more back then and elderly relatives did the daytime childcare because they were all crammed into the same house.
I don’t think women are ‘more capable’ now, I think women have always been as capable as these remarkable women were, we just now have more choices than they had, which was not their fault.
Men have always traditionally had more choice, and these days they have more choices than ever, but I’m not sure they use it wisely or value the same things as men of earlier generations.
Add the dawn of the internet, instant 24-7 temptations of all kinds, built-in ‘privacy’ options online and in messaging apps which make the importance of adhering to personal standards and boundaries harder to hold on to, and both men and women are giving themselves permission to move the goalposts on relationships and sex much more than used to happen.
My kids are late teens/ early 20’s and they lament the state of relationships and dating within their peer groups, one of them said only today “Mum, everybody’s at it, boys and girls. They’re “talking to” (apparently this is the first stage of expressing an interest and isn’t talking, it’s texting 🙄) about five people at a time and hiding the other four from each of them”. These young twenty- somethings are growing up not trusting anybody! Really sad!

DotDashDot24 · 16/06/2024 21:48

This batshit young dude reminds me of an older guy I dated for a while.

Similar chauvinist, sexist, parochial, kinda dumb values behind everything he thought and said. It took a while to come out.

He absolutely could not conceive of a woman having a relationship that she saw from the start as casual, or that she decided during it that it would not be long-term. Every single relationship a woman had must, just must be aimed at marriage for her. Anything else, she was "used" in.

We probably had a roughly equal number of ex partners (I never asked his number though), he told me about a couple of failed relationships and some shitty incidents during them; I told him about a shitty incident in a failed situationship. I thought nothing more of it.

One day he says that "I don't mind "John", (my most recent ex bf, a very long relationship) because he intended to marry you, but everyone else just used and abused you".
I was so taken aback & non plussed I said nothing and did a "Bishop Brennan kicked in the arse" impression for a few days.

I ended up saying nothing but it was one of many factors that sent the relationship towards the dump for me.

I found it ironically comical that I had had several relationships with men who had seen it as long-term and not wanted to end it; whereas I did not, and was the one who ended it .. yet this wanker was assuming (from one mutual anecdote about a disastrous encounter, and from sharing many values with our favourite new poster, Ginger) - that my whole previous dating life was me seeking marriage and being "used and abused" by any man who hadn't married me.
'Mate, I dumped most of them, and you're about to join that prestigious group".
And he did.

DotDashDot24 · 16/06/2024 21:55

Comedycook · 16/06/2024 21:23

I have never been the one to sleep around

😂yes I defiantly believe you when you say that.

Your so sucessfull at being witty.

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