Men of today.

[Lustnotlove]

What's happened too men these days? They are not the same as they was 15-20 years ago, no commitment, no loyalty, no respect, no ambition, no teamwork? I think I've given up with the L word 🤣🤷🏼‍♀️ maybe it's me but I feel there's no decent guys out there anymore 🤷🏼‍♀️ it's actually sad as when your young you have all these dreams don't you?

I think GingerDude98 was just fishing with dynamite and has now returned to his home under the bridge.

That's just a cheap, unnecessary shot

Could I recommend you proof read your own posts more carefully.

Just to be clear l find both men and women that put seeking new relationships above looking after/and the wellbeing of their young children both equally repugnant. I think parents should control their urges until their children have grown up.

We see on here time and again no good comes from going on dating sites etc, do your children a favour don't subject them to "step mummy" and "step daddy".
Also I hold a very dim view of single people both male and female that wish to date single parents, then complain about the perils of step parenting. These people are also morally bankrupt.

Judgemental much? It also doesn’t do kids any favours to make them the centre of your whole universe. Married or unmarried.

you can also date a single parent and be allowed to find it challenging at times. It doesn’t make you ‘morally bankrupt’. Jesus.

Actually one of many reasons women "chase career" is to be able to afford kids and not having to work in inflexible, low paid jobs when they have a family. 😂

Seems like the GingerDude is spending too much time on You Tube and at 25 has very little experience of complexities of life.

@Runsyd "Can you explain why it's bad for women to sleep around, but somehow okay for men, because your double standards are completely obnoxious"

When did I say its ok for men to sleep around but not women? I think its very hypocritical that some men believe its ok for them to sleep with lots of women while at the same time these men wont date a woman who has slept around. Many of these men in the mansophere community sleep around with women but yet they'll tell thier viewers to only date virgins/low body count women which is a silly mindset.

Although at the same time most men dont get the opportunity to sleep around while its easy for a woman. Im no model but I do have traits which some women find attractive (i.e the height, broad shoulders, muscular build, masculine features, dont do drugs, career driven, very hygenic and I always try to look my best etc) but even when I was single I never had any luck with women. While at the same time I knew of women who are unattractive that would have no problem getting one night stands.

However, I do also know of men who are chubby, 5ft 6, bad teeth somehow managing to pull off threesomes with two women. Although he is very pushy and goes out his way to look for women, he also comes from a rich family but those girls who gave him a threesome are the type of girls u do not marry or date (they are low value)

Im more introverted, quiet and I wasnt the one to constantly approach women and be pushy. I had men tell me "Just pay for sex and get it over with" but im against prostitution and id rather use my hand than pay a woman (who isnt attracted to me and is probaly being sex trafficked) to have sex with me.

@Bibi12 a woman chasing a career is not a bad thing but my GF who is a chef earns more than some women who went to uni for four years and got a degree. Anyway most men do not care about a womans degree or how much money they make, I know of a man who owns a buisness and makes 6 figures a year while his wife works in tesco.

I have always had a providers mindset and from a young age I worked hard, saved money because I wanted a family and wanted to make sure that my future wife doesnt have to worry much about money. Now all that money saved and hard work I did wasnt going to go towards some woman who was sleeping around and having fun while I was working my bollocks off.

Also women who went to uni are more likely to be in debt and are more likely to have slept around.

@DotDashDot24 because many of you women are so clueless about what men find attractive (or you just dont seem to care). You women seem to think that we care about a womans degree and that we dont care about a womans sexual past, then you are telling your daughters this who then end up sleeping around, doing porn, onlyfans etc and then they will end up complaining about not finding a man who will give them kids.

Maybe women might find men with degree's attractive or men with sexual experience attractive (I've heard plenty of women say they are turned off by virgin men) but us men are attracted to different things.

I dont want a woman who has slept around and chases a career trying to become a CEO or manager because thats what men do, I dont want to be dating a man lol

@Confusionn I think its a bad idea for a single person with no kids to date a single father/mother, there is no benefit to it. However, if me and my GF had kids then we broke up then id only date single mothers although id most likely remain single for the rest if my life anyway and just focus on being a father.

When I was single I heard lots of single mothers on tinder saying stuff like "im not looking for a father figure for my child" but if you date her long enough then eventually you would have to play the father role and you would be expected to be the step father because you couldnt just completly ignore her kids. This goes for men with kids saying the same thing about "not wanting a mother figure for thier child" because eventually you'll have to play mummy to his kids.

100% 💪🏻🙌🏻 you have summed up my childrens father exactly how it is! Men cannot be alone they jump from one woman to the next! My ex husband did this too me! I had to leave my full time job which I loved to go on benefits and since then he sees the kids every other weekend because he moved 4 hours away too live with 'the other woman' with whom he had another kid with 🙄 and I know it won't last as he gets bored!

You know what? Women will not adjust their behaviour to please men.
That boat has sailed.

You want a woman with a low body count? You might get one but dint expect women not to have sex just for you.
You don’t care about a degree? Fair enough. But we do as well continue to get some.

The very problem there is that, ‘in the olden times’, men had power because they earn agd women didn’t. Now we earn our own money. We dint need men to eat. We don’t even need men to have children. And we are quite used to being single mothers anyway….

So yes you can dream that this is what you’ll get. But it’s a dream. You might need to wake up

@Lustnotlove plenty of women cant be alone and jump from one man to another as well. I know of lots of men (from 18-25) that are single while most girls I know that age date around and are never single. When I was around 18 I worked in mcdonalds for a bit and most of the staff there were in thier late teens-early 20s but every girl who worked there was always dating around and with a new man every few months while most of the men were always single and even talking to me about how hard it is to find a woman lol.

@DullFanFiction your right about what you said, women dont need a man anymore cause they can make thier own money (and I agree with that) although this is why marriage is outdated and should no longer exist. Marriage should only exist really if a woman is still a virgin or has only ever slept with that one man who she is marrying , too many couples also get married and then seem to be into "open marriages" which is disrespecting the rules of marriage and the christian religion. Why does this only happen in christian churches btw?

So most couples out here shouldnt be allowed to get married and you should only benefit from marriage IF you meet the requirements of what marriage stands for (i.e monogamous, straight, virgin or only have ever slept with that one man your marrying etc)

Btw im not even religious but its always the christian religion that are forced to change thier rules

@DullFanFiction well im happy because I managed to find myself a lovely girl who meets my standards, even my GF said that she cant understand how women can sleep around.

But a woman can continue to sleep around and chase a degree although usually these men that you want to settle down with (i.e tall, career driven, hard working, athletic, masculine, would make sure to help thier woman out and be there for her etc) usually want a girl with a low/no body count.

Thats why lots of men are travelling abroad for wives because most western women aint even worth a mcdonalds.

It's not.

If you want to be taken seriously (especially by older people with much more life experience), you need to learn to communicate in your own language with a basic level of spelling and grammar.

Please feel free to point out any proof reading fails on my behalf.

chases a career trying to become a CEO or manager because thats what men do

Gender stereotype.

That is all.

You are a mgtow chauvanist.

And you are on the wrong site.

You also sound incredibly immature and ignorant.

Simple minds need simple ideas.

chase a degree

A degree is a very basic level of education for men or women.

Do you not even realise that?

A nurse now needs a degree.

And people don't "chase" degrees - they do them or they don't.

Oh and for the record, the most successful men I know are married to professional, well educated women. All of them. A banker with a corporate lawyer, a solicitor & law firm partner with an IT professional, two doctors etc. etc.

Bill Gates was married for decades to a highly educated professional.woman he met at either a prestigious college or a prestigious company, I can't remember which.

Jeff Bezos, similar .... And now he's with a female professional who's a qualified pilot.

These are the world's richest men.

You red pillers understand nothing, even about other men.

Thats why lots of men are travelling abroad for wives because most western women aint even worth a mcdonalds.

More red pill, incel script.

They wouldn't give you the time of day if they didn't want a visa and money.

You're just exploiting their poverty and lack of opportunities.....which is immoral.

Some of them use the man for the visa and then bring over their "brother" (real husband from their country) ....and I couldn't even feel sorry for the western exploiter husband in those cases.

I've known women from impoverished third world undemocratic countries who were working in The ME, and when they're looking for boyfriends, their first question is how much the guy earns. That says it all.

They then extract as much money as they can for themselves and their families back home throughout the marriage. I know one who bargains for designer gear to impress & compete with her friends and family, her husband gets a certain amount of time gaming, if she gets a designer handbag. It's an economic arrangement and she's superficial, and insincere in her relationship. If that's what certain men aspire to, good luck to them.

He's brain washed and not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

@DotDashDot24 yeah usually those sucessfull men dating sucessfull women were with each other young and never slept around. If your a sucessful man with a buisness you dont want men saying to themselfs "I slept with his woman one time" or "His woman is a slag" because that makes the man look bad.

A high earning woman still wants a high earning man and they dont date a man who makes less. While a high earning man would date a woman who works in tesco and makes minimum wage (like that guy I mentioned about in one of my posts).

Honestly if me and my GF break up then I aint never dating a woman again (unless she has the same traits as my GF). Most modern day women my age who have slept around id just pretend to love them just for sex and kids, then once they gave me kids then id tell them to "fuck off" because I aint loving some woman who has slept around.

Although I defiantly do love my GF and I make sure to treat her well, I take her on holidays and days out, im going to be paying a 15 grand deposite for a house and put both of our names on the house. However, a woman who is a slag doesnt deserve any of that imo

You cannot speak for all men.
I'm from a country where women work. My mother worked so did my grandmother. Some women chose to take longer maternity leave when kids are small but majority go back full time after a year. Because childcare is very affordable or free, woman's work is seen as very important and valued, it doubles family income. Workplace has family friendly policies so beinga SAHM is considered a bit pointless.
People don't end up in debt after going to university because again, higher education is either free or affordable. Having a degree is seen as attractive in both sexes and people usually meet their future spouse at uni.
So as you can see a lot what you state as fact is based on your limited experience and your cultural background.

You have your preferences and found someone who matches them perfectly. That's great 👍. Thats what everyone should strive for.
People shouldn't abandon going to university to fit into You Tube ideal of a woman. In real life there are plenty of men who value higher education, value ambition or just appreciate a partner with their own goals, whatever they are. It makes more sense to find someone who accepts you and has similar values then spend life pretending to be someone else.

When you're 25 your way of thinking is a bit black and white. Then life often gets messy and it humbles you in ways you can't imagine.
I'm sure most women on MN have lots of experience and a 25 year old saying, that girls who go to uni sleep around or single mothers are sluts just won't go down well. It shows your immaturity and doesn't put you in a good light. That's all.
Yet you're still replying with more of that and you're still believing in your superiority. It's comical really, especially for someone who insists he's so happy and have it all together. You almost make it look like it's the opposite.

yeah usually those sucessfull men dating sucessfull women were with each other young and never slept around

Nope.

The banker and corporate lawyer got together in their 30s. That's both had previous relationships, the woman (corporate lawyer) more significant ones. I have no idea if they "slept around".

The law firm partner and IT professional got together young, but most definitely both sowed their wild oats before they got together.

The two doctors got together mid to late 20s and had previous relationships. I have no idea if they "slept around".

I also know a couple with a millionaire guy who sold his business around 40 and married and had a child with a late 30s woman who was a successful TV/media professional. At 38 and 40, they most definitely both had had previous relationships. I have no idea if they "slept around".

Sleeping around is a rather relative concept.

As usual, you are back and white, simplistic, unrealistic and brainwashed ..... and very chauvanist .... in your opinions.

You are basically parroting the incel and red pill script.

And you're doing it to women who have tonnes more life experience and education than you. It's embarrassing, you really should just stop posting.

If your a sucessful man

You're

YOU'RE.

Learn to spell your own language FFS

id just pretend to love them just for sex and kids, then once they gave me kids then id tell them to "fuck off" because I aint loving some woman who has slept around.

You sound like a highly moral, decent person with integrity.

The decent men I know would think you are an utter wanker and low life.

id tell them to "fuck off"

You'll still have to pay 12% plus of your salary, dickhead.