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Anyone else have a partner who volunteers them without discussion?

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wizardofsoz · 04/06/2024 21:04

My DH and I are currently in different parts of the house with the doors shut after a huge row.

He retired (58) last year. I'm a bit younger and need to work till 60 to ensure a decent pension. I work from home three days of the week and he struggles to understand that I have a proper full-time job that can't be interrupted throughout the day.

He's really good at organising and project management. That was his field. He enjoys making things happen and he's great at it. His events have been really successful and given a lot of people a lot of pleasure. But not me!

Last year he organised three events (all for charity or the local community). For each of them he had a little team of volunteers. None of these projects were anything I'm involved or interested in, but he took it as read that I'd produce the posters and tickets and programmes etc ('No one else can do it, Wiz. It's your skill set, why are you so mean?') or write the press releases and send them out to local radio and TV and all the local media ('Oh, come on, Wiz, you know you're better at that than anyone on the team. You can do it in an hour, it'll take Miriam days and she won't do it half so well.') And then on the day of the event he expects me to muck in and cover everything that needs doing at the last minute. He seems to think he can just deploy me how he wants and he puts me in situations where I seem churlish if I say no. Last event the guy who was running the car park had an accident and couldn't stand out in the rain all evening. DH said in front of everyone that I'd do it. No discussion. Put me in a position that it was impossible to get out of without looking mean and churlish.

Every event has ended up with major rows and I've made it clear time and time again that they are his projects and I don't want to be involved. I've told him in no uncertain terms I'm not an extension of him: he can't just hold a meeting and tell people that I'll do this and that. And still he does it. He holds a meeting with the volunteers, asks who'll do this or that — and if no one volunteers he says I'll do it.

At the weekend he had the first meeting for the next project and decided that someone needed to write and design a flyer and then create a Twitter account and a FB account. No one there has the skills so he said I'd do it. We had a row about it on Sunday that completely ruined the day. I said no. He's just continued to ask me when I'm doing it. I didn't do anything yesterday. Today he was out till about 4pm and when he came home opened my study door while I was working and on the phone to a client, and bellowed 'Have you finished that flyer yet?'

I couldn't believe he'd talk to me like the worst kind of manager does. Massive row ensued. He says I'm unreasonable and partners should help each other out. I've said I will, for the knock-down price of £100 ph. I just get 'You could have had it all done on Sunday if you'd put your head down. We're a team, you have skills I don't have. This isn't for my benefit, it's for charity.' Apparently I'm bloody impossible.

This is a new behaviour. When he was working he had a team who worked to his instruction. Now he's not working he seems to have mistaken me for his team. How the fuck do I get through to him that I'm not here to help him? We've been married for nearly 30 years and up till now I would have said he's a reasonable person, but this is really doing my head in.

OP posts:
Meetingofminds · 10/06/2024 08:23

SheilaFentiman · 10/06/2024 07:30

If I was OP, I would have left this thread a while back.

i am not slow with a LTB, but I don’t think it is warranted here, at leat not until other routes are tried.

And berating OP with words like pandering isn’t supportive. It’s rude.

OP is (I think) a 50 something woman balancing a change in her life and would like to find ways to make things better with another imperfect human.

Good luck with it, OP.

Some of us have navigated this stage already, and what seems to be missing is ops ability to be assertive and boundaried. Ego stroking will not work. It’s the dh that needs to adjust and do so with humility and respect - something that seems to be woefully missing so far.

FinallyHere · 10/06/2024 08:24

@Lunde

Is exH under your new patio?

My thoughts exactly xx

Snappers3 · 10/06/2024 08:45

mathanxiety · 09/06/2024 20:48

And I want to add - you need to require that he publicly repairs your reputation in the community, talks up your job, and tells people you are a wonderful wife and mother.

Whatever about him being a bossy, annoying little man, his badmouthing you locally is so deeply distasteful.
I would imagine people must be shuddering privately.
You deserve better.

wizardofsoz · 10/06/2024 08:50

SheilaFentiman · 10/06/2024 00:51

“have already enabled us to start talking it through like grown-ups.”

I’m glad you made some progress, OP. I had to hide the thread for a bit as the comments about your DH made me cross enough to get a rare deletion 😱 but I hope that DH is starting to get it.

Edited

Thank you. He is.

OP posts:
redfacebigdisgrace · 10/06/2024 09:18

wizardofsoz · 09/06/2024 21:50

🙄

@mathanxiety posted a brilliantly thoughtful response and that’s how you reply? What do you want from this thread @wizardofsoz ? Maybe you need to go away and come back to it later. I understand some of these views may be unsettling for you but they are worthy of consideration. And I think your response there was rude and childish when someone has spent the time to type up a thoughtful reply.

SheilaFentiman · 10/06/2024 09:22

Many posters have been very rude to OP (not math, in particular) so I can sympathise!

SheilaFentiman · 10/06/2024 09:28

Ego stroking will not work. It’s the dh that needs to adjust and do so with humility and respect - something that seems to be woefully missing so far.

I don’t disagree that DH needs to adjust. The best way to prompt this is - oh, look! - for OP to talk to him.

I was dismissive to my DH about something the other week. He gave it a few days, explained how that made him feel and I apologised. Objectively, I should not have been dismissive in the first place, but it meant more to him than I realised, so “subjectively” it was worse than I intended it to be.

I could find you an example the other way (about buying gadgets we have no space for, without checking first, for one!) but he (and I, I hope) are generally good if imperfect sorts, who want to stay married and figure out disagreements.

I put the OP’s problem in this bracket, at this stage. And I think a lot of the responses are hyperbole.

Chillilounger · 10/06/2024 09:41

You need to sit him down after the charity event and tell him that if the marriage is to survive then you need him to hear you and not assume you are part of his extended project team. Explain that you work and want your downtime to be just that. If you want to be involved you will start coming to meetings but unless that happens he needs to assume you're not available and not to ask or volunteer you for anything. Explain the fact he consistently ignores this is massively disrespectful and is making you question whether he values you.

Bethalax · 10/06/2024 10:10

As a man, I think he’ll be feeling like he lost his identity. Assuming he was high level, his identity would have been linked to that, and he’s doing what he can to replicate it. The thing making me a bit uneasy is the lack of asking you, and not putting an end to the gossip. He’s treating you like an employee to get close to the old identity, and the person he considers himself to be.

My wife is also high level in a PR consultancy, and I’d never dream of volunteering her for anything without asking her first. That extends to everything in life, she’s her own person and it’s not my place to make plans for her outside of seeing family etc.

I’m sure he’s a wonderful man, but he needs to find his new identity as his current attitude won’t change otherwise and will negatively affect your marriage. Maybe he can try and get on the golf club committee?

Meetingofminds · 10/06/2024 16:06

SheilaFentiman · 10/06/2024 09:28

Ego stroking will not work. It’s the dh that needs to adjust and do so with humility and respect - something that seems to be woefully missing so far.

I don’t disagree that DH needs to adjust. The best way to prompt this is - oh, look! - for OP to talk to him.

I was dismissive to my DH about something the other week. He gave it a few days, explained how that made him feel and I apologised. Objectively, I should not have been dismissive in the first place, but it meant more to him than I realised, so “subjectively” it was worse than I intended it to be.

I could find you an example the other way (about buying gadgets we have no space for, without checking first, for one!) but he (and I, I hope) are generally good if imperfect sorts, who want to stay married and figure out disagreements.

I put the OP’s problem in this bracket, at this stage. And I think a lot of the responses are hyperbole.

Too many men are disrespectful and overbearing towards women, expecting them to bend at will. I would detest and refuse to be married to someone like this personally, so I can see why pp have said it sounds awful, life is too short, I guess it’s his willingness to change that is going to be the deciding factor, or a life time of bickering awaits. It boils down to that.

Penguinfeet24 · 10/06/2024 17:19

Well, this went a bit off piste didn't it 😲

FWIW OP (if you are still about!) I think your husband still sounds like a very capable person and it doesn't quite sound like he's ready for retirement as there's a lot of enthusiasm in him yet! He's used to project managing and I don't think it's occurred to him that you are not a replacement for his team. I think the way through this is gentle but firm - 'I appreciate that you think I have the skills but I am employed elsewhere and will not have the time or energy to commit to your projects. Please stop volunteering me because my refusal may cause offence and that may cause you trouble further down the line when I send people calling me your way to explain why I'm not doing what you've volunteered me for. I won't be taking part in any of your events with immediate effect, sorry love'. Then as soon as he asks you to do something you refer him back to that conversation. Just stand firm - the answer was no and you don't wish to hear any more about it. He can sulk if he wants but you've laid your cards on the table so he will have to get on with it. If you get randomers calling you just explain that you're sorry, you didn't volunteer, you do not have the time to do it and you suggest they call your husband to find another way. That's literally it, stonewall them all. They'll soon stop - they may sulk and try to guilt trip you but that's their issue.

SheilaFentiman · 10/06/2024 17:32

Good post @Penguinfeet24

diddl · 10/06/2024 18:08

and I don't think it's occurred to him that you are not a replacement for his team

Why wouldn't it though?

I can't understand this attitude that he thinks he's still at work.

He's not that stupid is he?

He just won't listen to Op saying no.

redfacebigdisgrace · 10/06/2024 18:18

Depressing how many women are making excuses for this man’s behaviour. He’s not stupid, he shouldn’t need it pointed out to him. Just more ways that women have to bend and accommodate misogynist men that think we’re here to serve them. I hope the next generation of women coming through have higher standards.

Meetingofminds · 10/06/2024 18:22

redfacebigdisgrace · 10/06/2024 18:18

Depressing how many women are making excuses for this man’s behaviour. He’s not stupid, he shouldn’t need it pointed out to him. Just more ways that women have to bend and accommodate misogynist men that think we’re here to serve them. I hope the next generation of women coming through have higher standards.

I agree, this thread is very depressing. Very much not like MN in 2024.

Penguinfeet24 · 10/06/2024 19:01

diddl · 10/06/2024 18:08

and I don't think it's occurred to him that you are not a replacement for his team

Why wouldn't it though?

I can't understand this attitude that he thinks he's still at work.

He's not that stupid is he?

He just won't listen to Op saying no.

Maybe because like a lot of people, you get used to a certain way of behaving. When you revert to doing the same sort of thing you were doing at work, but in your private life, you just slip into that role. I'm not making excuses for him, just looking at the whole picture.

Ilovecleaning · 10/06/2024 19:04

I would kill him then gladly volunteer to bury him under my patio….

godmum56 · 10/06/2024 19:08

redfacebigdisgrace · 10/06/2024 18:18

Depressing how many women are making excuses for this man’s behaviour. He’s not stupid, he shouldn’t need it pointed out to him. Just more ways that women have to bend and accommodate misogynist men that think we’re here to serve them. I hope the next generation of women coming through have higher standards.

I am 70 and have ALWAYS had higher standards. I was taught them by my parents.

godmum56 · 10/06/2024 19:08

Ilovecleaning · 10/06/2024 19:04

I would kill him then gladly volunteer to bury him under my patio….

I will bring a spade.

godmum56 · 10/06/2024 19:09

Penguinfeet24 · 10/06/2024 19:01

Maybe because like a lot of people, you get used to a certain way of behaving. When you revert to doing the same sort of thing you were doing at work, but in your private life, you just slip into that role. I'm not making excuses for him, just looking at the whole picture.

If that's the case he sounds like a rude and unpleasant manager too!

lemming40 · 10/06/2024 19:11

After saying no once, don't even respond to him. Something along the lines of "No thank you I don't have the time for that. And don't ask me again, or I will ignore you."

godmum56 · 10/06/2024 19:12

lemming40 · 10/06/2024 19:11

After saying no once, don't even respond to him. Something along the lines of "No thank you I don't have the time for that. And don't ask me again, or I will ignore you."

OH the Op has said that she couldn't do that...they need to discuss it like adults <eyeroll>

Jeannie88 · 10/06/2024 19:20

He needs to ask YANBU!

diddl · 10/06/2024 19:23

Maybe because like a lot of people, you get used to a certain way of behaving. When you revert to doing the same sort of thing you were doing at work, but in your private life, you just slip into that role. I'm not making excuses for him, just looking at the whole picture.

But Op has never been his employee.

No, not buying it at all.

He's just a bully who won't be told no.

Ilovecleaning · 10/06/2024 19:30

godmum56 · 10/06/2024 19:08

I will bring a spade.

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