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Anyone else have a partner who volunteers them without discussion?

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wizardofsoz · 04/06/2024 21:04

My DH and I are currently in different parts of the house with the doors shut after a huge row.

He retired (58) last year. I'm a bit younger and need to work till 60 to ensure a decent pension. I work from home three days of the week and he struggles to understand that I have a proper full-time job that can't be interrupted throughout the day.

He's really good at organising and project management. That was his field. He enjoys making things happen and he's great at it. His events have been really successful and given a lot of people a lot of pleasure. But not me!

Last year he organised three events (all for charity or the local community). For each of them he had a little team of volunteers. None of these projects were anything I'm involved or interested in, but he took it as read that I'd produce the posters and tickets and programmes etc ('No one else can do it, Wiz. It's your skill set, why are you so mean?') or write the press releases and send them out to local radio and TV and all the local media ('Oh, come on, Wiz, you know you're better at that than anyone on the team. You can do it in an hour, it'll take Miriam days and she won't do it half so well.') And then on the day of the event he expects me to muck in and cover everything that needs doing at the last minute. He seems to think he can just deploy me how he wants and he puts me in situations where I seem churlish if I say no. Last event the guy who was running the car park had an accident and couldn't stand out in the rain all evening. DH said in front of everyone that I'd do it. No discussion. Put me in a position that it was impossible to get out of without looking mean and churlish.

Every event has ended up with major rows and I've made it clear time and time again that they are his projects and I don't want to be involved. I've told him in no uncertain terms I'm not an extension of him: he can't just hold a meeting and tell people that I'll do this and that. And still he does it. He holds a meeting with the volunteers, asks who'll do this or that — and if no one volunteers he says I'll do it.

At the weekend he had the first meeting for the next project and decided that someone needed to write and design a flyer and then create a Twitter account and a FB account. No one there has the skills so he said I'd do it. We had a row about it on Sunday that completely ruined the day. I said no. He's just continued to ask me when I'm doing it. I didn't do anything yesterday. Today he was out till about 4pm and when he came home opened my study door while I was working and on the phone to a client, and bellowed 'Have you finished that flyer yet?'

I couldn't believe he'd talk to me like the worst kind of manager does. Massive row ensued. He says I'm unreasonable and partners should help each other out. I've said I will, for the knock-down price of £100 ph. I just get 'You could have had it all done on Sunday if you'd put your head down. We're a team, you have skills I don't have. This isn't for my benefit, it's for charity.' Apparently I'm bloody impossible.

This is a new behaviour. When he was working he had a team who worked to his instruction. Now he's not working he seems to have mistaken me for his team. How the fuck do I get through to him that I'm not here to help him? We've been married for nearly 30 years and up till now I would have said he's a reasonable person, but this is really doing my head in.

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ImplacableDiscernment · 08/06/2024 23:08

He is treating you like you are his employee, not a team mate. I'm another person that would not like working with him. Barking orders is not what we do in a modern workplace. HE needs to find a volunteer with the skill set he needs or upskill himself.

He is obviously have a hard time transitioning to retirement. Even when you do retire, you will not want to devote your time to his pet projects.

You have to set clear boundary and stick to it. Do not do ANY future tasks. "I hope the project goes well, I'm not involved". Subject change.

In this case, charity begins at home. My husband and I might be occasionally thoughtless. I wouldn't be bashing his name with friends and neighbours. Especially over jobs if volunteered you for. He has thrown you under the bus, I would be furious.

ehb102 · 08/06/2024 23:25

I have reflected a moment as to whether I am like this. I may be, a bit. But I never take anyone from granted so I think I am safe for now.

Poster My Wall would be my recommendation. Canva is great but still some learning curve.

No lead time is just so disrespectful. It took me three hours just to pick a typeface for the last poster I did. If they file a request at least eight weeks in advance detailing exactly what they want and providing all copy a month before I might consider it. Bet they won't though. Their bad planning is your emergency.

Also we often talk about women's invisible labour. Your husband is treating your professional work like it is domestic labour. That's really rude too.

InSpainTheRain · 09/06/2024 06:30

Say no and mean it. I think I'd refuse to engage at all. If someone calls you or asks you about it do a little laugh "haha that's just Dh's project, sorry I can't help I'm still working". If they go on about it cut them off "sorry I have to get on, I catch up with you later".

I'd be very frank with him and say if he wants this stuff done then get needs to upskill and do it himself. Tell him he doesn't have a team anymore and he needs to train himself up. Honestly I'd be arranging a few weekends away at short notice when his projects are due. This dies sound awful for you.

Movingon2024 · 09/06/2024 06:38

You’ve had great advice on how to handle dh.

for other people, when it comes up, suggest saying (tinkly laugh) ‘yes he’s always volunteering me for things I can’t do! I’m still working, in a really busy job. I’ve told him I’d love to help more, and will do when I’m retired, like him. But this one I just can’t do, sorry.’

then the consequences come back to him.

unless the negative effects of his misguided actions actually affect him, he’s less likely to change.

LuluBlakey1 · 09/06/2024 07:38

No but I do volunteer DH for things. He never minds. I always give him lots of notice.

Dartwarbler · 09/06/2024 08:32

wizardofsoz · 04/06/2024 23:10

Did you tell the volunteers that you weren’t doing the posters etc in the past when they’d phoned?

Yes, I have and they have been 'But John said you'll have them done by Thursday' and I've had to explain that John didn't consult me before committing me and that it's not possible. And then they get upset and huffy and have long conversations with me about what are they supposed to do if there are no posters and I have to explain that I'm not part of this project and they're going to have to sort this out between them...

Now bear in mind some of these people are our neighbours, some are friends, most of them are people I'll bump into at some point in the shop or out walking or in our little local library (which was one of the causes he held a fundraiser for). Word is already getting round that I'm the mean bitch who won't throw a poster together to help raise money for the local library.* I've already been told that people are talking about our marriage, because he's so fantastic and does such good work and I'm so grudging.

*making a good poster that's eye-catching and gets all the relevant information across is more complicated than it looks. And once I've designed it and created images for it we're talking 3-4 hours. Once it's approved (the volunteers can be very picky and require changes) it's also my job to send it off to be printed up and delivered. Apparently.

I’d be saying to “dh” that to be able to do these projects successfully he is missing a key number of skills set he needs to acquire such as graphic design and hand him over a number of courses etc where he can get that training and so it himself.

i would take a hard stance that when he says it is your skill set, to say if he was really listening to you about your workload and not just bossing you around like an employee that he’d already have done the course/training and be able to do this stuff himself.

point out that charitable work with volunteers requires someone to lead by example, not merely boss people around. It is his project and he needs to step in and do the actual hard graft of any and all the tasks if needed.

this is fake helplessness.

if absolutely no class etc he can get the skills from, I’d be saying I will do it WITH you once. more. You will do the work and I will support you in that so that you can then do it yourself in future. Tell him you’re not going to merely give him fishes to feed him anymore, you will teach him to fish to feed himself.

TinySmol · 09/06/2024 08:42

What a wanker.
Say no, no and no.

He needs to go back to paid full time employment.

Hb7x3 · 09/06/2024 08:59

Last event the guy who was running the car park had an accident and couldn't stand out in the rain all evening. DH said in front of everyone that I'd do it. No discussion.

I would have just laughed and said not a chance in hell am I doing that. I think everyone in the room would have completely understood why I was saying no.

WonderfulSkye · 09/06/2024 09:17

I would not attend any gatherings discussing the event, I would continue to say no to anything he has told you to do without checking first whether you want to do it.
I would definitely be going out with a friend when the event is running so he can’t dump last minute jobs like the car park attendant on you.
It appears he has forgotten you are his wife and is treating you like staff
Hold firm, I am married to a very strongly opinionated dogmatic man and you can’t let them push you around just to keep the peace or make you do stuff just by making you feel uncomfortable in front of others when they volunteer you to do tasks.
Perhaps suggest he uses his free time to go on a course and learn to do all the stuff he thinks you should be doing then he won’t need to keep volunteering you!
Good luck!

godmum56 · 09/06/2024 09:27

BreadInCaptivity · 05/06/2024 00:34

There is a flip to this.

We are talking about a 30 year marriage here and given the OP has not suggested otherwise it's only until now that this has been an issue.

I'm not excusing his behaviour (see my pp's) nor would I tolerate it, but I think it's worth being somewhat measured here.

Retirement is a huge change for many people and not everyone transitions into it as well as you might imagine.

Things can be more complex where one person retires before the other.

He is probably trying to find a new purpose in life but doing it badly. Watching some former professionals trying to retire can be a bit like watching a teen trying to do adulting for the first time 😂.

Like that teen he needs firm boundaries, guidance and some tough love.

He's not a bad person from what the OP has posted, he's just navigating a new stage in life and making a hash of it but can't admit that - possibly even to himself at this point.

Voluntarily working is a good thing.

He just needs to find a role that he can fulfil himself without stealing time/effort/skills from the OP.

This.

godmum56 · 09/06/2024 09:30

have you said to him "Your behaviour is annoying and upsetting me. Why are you treating me like this?"

Instantwhipvsangeldelight · 09/06/2024 09:43

Dear wizardofsoz your DH hasn’t retired - he’s just got another team under him. Not all of that team are doing as he wants. At work they had to but not with his new team.

Some just don’t know how to adapt, how to adapt. I used to see men like this at a relatives assisted living complex. Couples would move in and you’d rarely see the husband without a clipboard.

Looking back my Mum was a volunteer for a deal of my Dad’s work/vocation. For some of that time she was still working FT. I think she was willing? Several of these were annual and much the same each year.

Many people don’t realise just how time consuming producing publicity posters actually is - especially to produce decent stuff.

The trouble is that people who are good at it make it look easy. ( and do some of it out of sight)

Nobody notices you out in the car park - did he or anyone bring you a cup of tea? Come out to see how you were?

How to lessen your stress and how to stay married…..

He needs to have proper sit down talks before his next project. (And possibly during it.)

It needs to be mentioned…..
His hobby isn’t necessarily yours.
You’d like to be asked in good time, privately.
That you still work - and bring money into the household.
That if he just puts your name down without consultation, time etc then its likely to blow up in his face big time, publically.
That if his friends call up to see where posters etc are then you will be honest in your conversations.
That now retired his relationships with his new team is and must be different to his old working life teams.
Not to use the term charity as emotional blackmail - he’s forgetting that charities are also businesses.
That he is risking your relationship, marriage, future with you with his expectations and behaviour.

Much of this needs to be done soon, and probably repeated, well before you retire or you’ll get sucked into being his little helper full time.

All the best on a posterless future.

Catoo · 09/06/2024 09:45

He sounds insufferable. He isn’t operating within a team OP. He’s bossing you about and bad mouthing you to others. Sounds like he was a shit manager. Bet a few people were glad he retired early.

Saying you will stand in a car park in the rain tells me how much he respects you as a person.

But for me, barging into your home office and shouting at you during a client call would have been the make or break point.

A very clear line would have been drawn and if he crossed it again his solicitor would be negotiating the divorce settlement with mine.

godmum56 · 09/06/2024 09:54

A thought.....sauce for the goose? Volunteer him to do stuff like dig gardens, rubbish clean ups, volunteer driving...pretty much anything where is is NOT the team leader bossing others but where he is the grunt. Why did he not take on the rainy car park?

godmum56 · 09/06/2024 10:09

Movingon2024 · 09/06/2024 06:38

You’ve had great advice on how to handle dh.

for other people, when it comes up, suggest saying (tinkly laugh) ‘yes he’s always volunteering me for things I can’t do! I’m still working, in a really busy job. I’ve told him I’d love to help more, and will do when I’m retired, like him. But this one I just can’t do, sorry.’

then the consequences come back to him.

unless the negative effects of his misguided actions actually affect him, he’s less likely to change.

may i edit this slightly?
for other people, when it comes up, suggest saying (tinkly laugh) ‘yes he’s a sweet old buffer but always volunteering me for things I can’t do! I’m still working, in a really busy job. I’ve told the old dear [him] I’d love to help more, and might [will] do when I’m retired, like him but bless him, his memory is going and he just can't hold on to what I tell him. But this one I just can’t do, sorry. Perhaps if he volunteers me again, you might remind him?

wizardofsoz · 09/06/2024 10:18

Ah, so when in doubt be ageist and insulting, eh, @godmum56?

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RetroTotty · 09/06/2024 10:28

I see your tone has changed throughout this thread, wizard. You have read what the majority of posters think about your husband and have now adopted a defensive stance.

taylorswift1989 · 09/06/2024 10:33

His behaviour is so massively disrespectful.

It must be shocking to see how he really perceives you - as his helper, as an extension of him, as his servant or unpaid employee. And not at all as his equal and partner.

The way he's sulking and angry because you won't just do what he tells you must also be quite shocking for you.

This would be relationship-ending for me. I wouldn't tolerate living with a man who treated me with so little care and respect.

Rightsraptor · 09/06/2024 10:39

Well, Wizard is hardly going to like ten pages of women seemingly attacking her DH, is she? We don't know him, she does, and we're just being given a few snippets about one aspect of his behaviour.

My exH once volunteered me to make some Druid's robes for some bloke he'd met. I didn't do it but still found it difficult to say no as I'd become a household servant by then. In ex's eyes, anyway.

Your DH clearly retired far too young, @wizardofsoz. I would keep telling him very plainly that you won't be doing these things for him. Don't say 'oh, sorry, not this weekend. I'm off on a spa break' as he'll then conclude if you weren't going away you would be assisting him.

Mirabai · 09/06/2024 10:40

You’re not a “team”. You are his unpaid employee aka slave.

The problem is that you are saying: “no, no, no, no time and time again”.
But then you’re doing it. Which is why he keeps going.

You neee to give him an ultimatum and also to get a backbone. Possibly also some relationship counselling.

Catoo · 09/06/2024 10:47

OP you came here to get other perspectives on your OH’s behaviour and maybe ways to try and manage it I expect? And I am sure some of them are very difficult to hear. And you will feel defensive.

It seems that to a certain extent you have been pushed around, disrespected to your face and in front of others, and had the importance of your career and skills undervalued. And all by the person that you have previously genuinely thought of as a good partner. And I bet more and more instances of his belittling behaviour over the years are beginning to pop back into your mind. It will be unsettling.

Maybe you will be able to change the way he treats you. Maybe it’s gone too far. But continuing on in the same way is obviously not going to resolve the issue.

Have to ever sat him down. Asked him to listen to everything you say. And to say absolutely nothing until you have finished? And if he interrupts the conversation will end as will the relationship. He needs telling very very clearly with no gaslighting interruptions that he is not the boss of you. He doesn’t get to volunteer you for a single bloody thing. He will never interrupt you at work again. You and your wellbeing and home are his priority - the voluntary roles are down the list. If one more villager phones you demanding assets for events then the relationship is done…. set out the new rules. If he won’t accept them then either you move on without him, or you accept he’ll carry on treating you like a subordinate forever.

Good luck with him.

AtrociousCircumstance · 09/06/2024 10:48

@wizardofsoz He is treating you like his inferior and simply a member of staff. When you ‘malfunction’ - ie don’t immediately comply - he is furious that his underling isn’t appropriately obedient. This is a big problem and I hope you stick to your guns and continue to have the self respect to keep saying NO.

godmum56 · 09/06/2024 11:33

wizardofsoz · 09/06/2024 10:18

Ah, so when in doubt be ageist and insulting, eh, @godmum56?

I am 70. Can I be (old)ageist to someone my age or younger? Insulting after his behaviour? you bet!

OriginalUsername2 · 09/06/2024 13:00

RetroTotty · 09/06/2024 10:28

I see your tone has changed throughout this thread, wizard. You have read what the majority of posters think about your husband and have now adopted a defensive stance.

Yes I was about to comment the same.

Dibbydoos · 09/06/2024 13:14

When he put you in an impossible position, why didmt you say you couldnt do it hed have tp dibd soneone else?

Make yourself ultra sxare on tge run up to and at the time of his events.

Carry on saying No and explain it to him. Twll him if he asks you to do anything tge answrr will be no and stick to it.

Stop working from home.

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