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Anyone else have a partner who volunteers them without discussion?

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wizardofsoz · 04/06/2024 21:04

My DH and I are currently in different parts of the house with the doors shut after a huge row.

He retired (58) last year. I'm a bit younger and need to work till 60 to ensure a decent pension. I work from home three days of the week and he struggles to understand that I have a proper full-time job that can't be interrupted throughout the day.

He's really good at organising and project management. That was his field. He enjoys making things happen and he's great at it. His events have been really successful and given a lot of people a lot of pleasure. But not me!

Last year he organised three events (all for charity or the local community). For each of them he had a little team of volunteers. None of these projects were anything I'm involved or interested in, but he took it as read that I'd produce the posters and tickets and programmes etc ('No one else can do it, Wiz. It's your skill set, why are you so mean?') or write the press releases and send them out to local radio and TV and all the local media ('Oh, come on, Wiz, you know you're better at that than anyone on the team. You can do it in an hour, it'll take Miriam days and she won't do it half so well.') And then on the day of the event he expects me to muck in and cover everything that needs doing at the last minute. He seems to think he can just deploy me how he wants and he puts me in situations where I seem churlish if I say no. Last event the guy who was running the car park had an accident and couldn't stand out in the rain all evening. DH said in front of everyone that I'd do it. No discussion. Put me in a position that it was impossible to get out of without looking mean and churlish.

Every event has ended up with major rows and I've made it clear time and time again that they are his projects and I don't want to be involved. I've told him in no uncertain terms I'm not an extension of him: he can't just hold a meeting and tell people that I'll do this and that. And still he does it. He holds a meeting with the volunteers, asks who'll do this or that — and if no one volunteers he says I'll do it.

At the weekend he had the first meeting for the next project and decided that someone needed to write and design a flyer and then create a Twitter account and a FB account. No one there has the skills so he said I'd do it. We had a row about it on Sunday that completely ruined the day. I said no. He's just continued to ask me when I'm doing it. I didn't do anything yesterday. Today he was out till about 4pm and when he came home opened my study door while I was working and on the phone to a client, and bellowed 'Have you finished that flyer yet?'

I couldn't believe he'd talk to me like the worst kind of manager does. Massive row ensued. He says I'm unreasonable and partners should help each other out. I've said I will, for the knock-down price of £100 ph. I just get 'You could have had it all done on Sunday if you'd put your head down. We're a team, you have skills I don't have. This isn't for my benefit, it's for charity.' Apparently I'm bloody impossible.

This is a new behaviour. When he was working he had a team who worked to his instruction. Now he's not working he seems to have mistaken me for his team. How the fuck do I get through to him that I'm not here to help him? We've been married for nearly 30 years and up till now I would have said he's a reasonable person, but this is really doing my head in.

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godmum56 · 09/06/2024 13:21

OriginalUsername2 · 09/06/2024 13:00

Yes I was about to comment the same.

sometimes its very hard to hear how other folk see the situation

DaffydownClock · 09/06/2024 13:31

IHateWasps · 05/06/2024 08:49

The final straw was when he volunteered me to make two 80’ glider wing covers for his flying club.
i was incandescent when our ‘trip out for coffee’ was to the flying field for me to measure them up 🤬
He thought I was being very unreasonable.

I’d have truly lost my shit. If you let him live then I’m in awe of your patience and tolerance.

@wizardofsoz and @IHateWasps just to rub salt in it not a single person spoke to me in the time we were at the airfield. I get on with anyone but I was completely ignored and eventually went and sat in the car.
Oh, and apparently they’d pay me for the materials and time by ‘letting ’ me have a free flight in a glider - I hate flying and DH knows there is no way I would even sit in one let alone get off the ground!

wizardofsoz · 09/06/2024 13:37

Imagine you're in a sound, secure 30-year-marriage to a decent, interesting, capable man currently going through a blip as a result of retiring and struggling to adjust to his new situation. I said clearly in my first post that he's never behaved like this before. And imagine that because you've been stupid enough in a moment of fury to post on Mumsnet (I should have known better) you've been on the receiving end of dozens (maybe even hundreds, I've stopped reading) of batshit suggestions from people who apparently think that locking doors and being passive aggressive will help the situation. @godmum56 , for example, apparently seriously thinks it'll be a useful tactic to talk about my husband in a patronising, ageist and horribly disrespectful way to other people in our community.

Other people have called me a slave, implied I'm some kind of surrendered wife or blamed me for bringing this on myself. If I come over as defensive it's because I've been reigning myself in from being really, really rude.

Big thanks to the handful of women who've shown understanding of psychology, motivation and behaviours. Some of your suggestions about formally channelling DH's talents and energy and reframing what's going on have been very helpful and have already enabled us to start talking it through like grown-ups.

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godmum56 · 09/06/2024 13:40

wizardofsoz · 09/06/2024 13:37

Imagine you're in a sound, secure 30-year-marriage to a decent, interesting, capable man currently going through a blip as a result of retiring and struggling to adjust to his new situation. I said clearly in my first post that he's never behaved like this before. And imagine that because you've been stupid enough in a moment of fury to post on Mumsnet (I should have known better) you've been on the receiving end of dozens (maybe even hundreds, I've stopped reading) of batshit suggestions from people who apparently think that locking doors and being passive aggressive will help the situation. @godmum56 , for example, apparently seriously thinks it'll be a useful tactic to talk about my husband in a patronising, ageist and horribly disrespectful way to other people in our community.

Other people have called me a slave, implied I'm some kind of surrendered wife or blamed me for bringing this on myself. If I come over as defensive it's because I've been reigning myself in from being really, really rude.

Big thanks to the handful of women who've shown understanding of psychology, motivation and behaviours. Some of your suggestions about formally channelling DH's talents and energy and reframing what's going on have been very helpful and have already enabled us to start talking it through like grown-ups.

except from what you have said, talking it through like a grownup hasn't worked and his behaviour is far from grown up?

Mimimimi1234 · 09/06/2024 14:43

Everything you are saying he is asking is marketing and PR. I think it eould be a good idea and also show you are supporting him to suggest he finds a volunteer (preferably at least 2 people that can be on his list of helpers) who has marketing and PR skills for his volunteer team and that you can help write the job ad and vet potential applicants. There will be people with these skills who do have the time or want the experience, college students or people wanting some charity work to add to the their portfolio or recently retired etc. If you can help him plug the gap then youve shown support and at the same time can remove yourself from the team. Advertise the role on local facebook groups, linked in and the like. It sounds like its a whole role and there will be people interested in the charities and projects he is involved in that want to get involved. You just need to help him find them so you can make an exit from it.

ABirdsEyeView · 09/06/2024 14:50

Posters are seeing things in his behaviour and attitude towards you that are deeply disrespectful and rude. You are minimising it by saying it's a blip, which implies a harmless hiccup. Bellowing at you when you're on a work call and causing you damage to your reputation amongst your community, aren't little things - they speak of a wider problem in his fundamental view of you. He is no doubt struggling with retirement but it's this new circumstance which may have highlighted behaviours which were previously not apparent because he was at work!

I hope you do work it out to your satisfaction in a way that doesn't end up with you giving in for a quiet life

Yeahno · 09/06/2024 15:09

Oh fgs, you asked a load of random people their opinion on your situation and they responded. Of course it will be varied, from unhinged to sensible. That's life.
It seems that what you are trying to get across is" my lovely husband of 30 years has started crazy behaviour, how do i stop it? " While what people are getting is "my husband is keeps pushing my boundaries. I keep telling him to stop but he just ignores me." They are responsible accordingly. It really doesn't matter that you have been married 30 years. You have repeatedly told him to stop and he is ignoring you and adding to your load.

taylorswift1989 · 09/06/2024 15:15

I mean... People are responding to what you wrote. That your husband is consistently overstepping your boundaries, damaging your reputation, disrespecting your work and treating you like an unpaid employee. That you keep telling him no but he refuses to listen.

What would you expect people to say? Chill out, he sounds lovely? He sounds like an overbearing and potentially even abusive dickhead. If that isn't him at all, then maybe reflect on why you've represented him that way. Have you lied about his behaviour?

I hope for your sake that he changes what he's doing but bullies rarely change, so be prepared.

Shinyandnew1 · 09/06/2024 15:23

godmum56 · 09/06/2024 13:40

except from what you have said, talking it through like a grownup hasn't worked and his behaviour is far from grown up?

Precisely!

namechangiosa · 09/06/2024 19:34

Well, coming rather late to the thread and answering your original question - yes I DID have such a husband. He once (25 years ago 😁) offered my services to a workmate to sign his child's passport form and photo - someone I'd never even met. When I objected he dismissed my concerns - he would look bad if I refused because he had shown off assured them that I would. I made a thing of making eye contact and said "Never do this again." He made an "oooh" noise - making fun of me by pretending to be scared - but tbf he didn't. (Our divorce wasn't anything to do with this.)

Gettingbysomehow · 09/06/2024 19:39

My exH once volunteered me to do a speech in front of 100 people at an event with no preparation. I was so furious when we got home he never ever did anything like that again. I have a nice new patio too I deserved it after that horror.

Lunde · 09/06/2024 20:08

Gettingbysomehow · 09/06/2024 19:39

My exH once volunteered me to do a speech in front of 100 people at an event with no preparation. I was so furious when we got home he never ever did anything like that again. I have a nice new patio too I deserved it after that horror.

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Is exH under your new patio?

DullFanFiction · 09/06/2024 20:28

Some of your suggestions about formally channelling DH's talents and energy and reframing what's going on have been very helpful and have already enabled us to start talking it through like grown-ups.

It’s really nice you’ve found a way to talk to him. I hope you can get your message across.

I think it’s sad to see that, once more, (even if this might be the first time in your marriage - this I don’t know) it’s women who have to do all the emotional Labour to talk to her dh so he can ‘channel’ his energy and talents in a way that isn’t detrimental to said woman.

I wish this wasn’t so often the case.
I wish men weren’t so emotional that any comment or criticism or simply establishing a reasonable boundary wasn’t automatically seen as a personal attack for which they need emotional support. (So reframing, speaking nicely, concentrating on the positives etc…) As if they were still 5yo.
I wish it was possible to have a reasonable adult relationship with all men that allows for ‘I don’t like when you do X’ and they would just stop - because they care about you. Because they are respectful adults. Because they know the world doesn’t always revolve around them.

Unfortunatly, assuming the OP’s dh is a good man/husband as she said, it seems that even the good ones struggle to do that too :(:( And wouldn’t take kindly to be told so either.

J0S · 09/06/2024 20:41

@DullFanFiction excellent point . It’s always a job for the woman, isn’t it ☹️

mathanxiety · 09/06/2024 20:45

wizardofsoz · 09/06/2024 13:37

Imagine you're in a sound, secure 30-year-marriage to a decent, interesting, capable man currently going through a blip as a result of retiring and struggling to adjust to his new situation. I said clearly in my first post that he's never behaved like this before. And imagine that because you've been stupid enough in a moment of fury to post on Mumsnet (I should have known better) you've been on the receiving end of dozens (maybe even hundreds, I've stopped reading) of batshit suggestions from people who apparently think that locking doors and being passive aggressive will help the situation. @godmum56 , for example, apparently seriously thinks it'll be a useful tactic to talk about my husband in a patronising, ageist and horribly disrespectful way to other people in our community.

Other people have called me a slave, implied I'm some kind of surrendered wife or blamed me for bringing this on myself. If I come over as defensive it's because I've been reigning myself in from being really, really rude.

Big thanks to the handful of women who've shown understanding of psychology, motivation and behaviours. Some of your suggestions about formally channelling DH's talents and energy and reframing what's going on have been very helpful and have already enabled us to start talking it through like grown-ups.

How much time have you and your career oriented husband actually spent together day in and day out over an extended period of time over the course of your 30 year marriage?

I ask because the fury and frustration of women who suddenly find themselves in situations like yours when a busy, energetic, formerly employed husband retires is a well known phenomenon. Don't be so quick to dismiss the idea that he may have an idea of you or your role in relation to him that you never suspected he had over the 30 years when he has been busy organising other people.

Frankly, you may not know your husband in all his different facets very well. His former colleagues may have seen much more of him in action at "executive" level and might be able to fill you in on some hitherto unknown personality traits and attitudes to others. Work H and home H are now combined and you are seeing what they may have seen for many years.

I don't think you should dismiss the idea that he sees you as a resource he can whistle up whenever he wants something done, with no regard for the fact that you have a job and that therefore that is your priority when determining hos to use your time and energy. I don't think you should skirt a conversation on how he really sees you or your work or your time.

I think if you're going to have a serious conversation, you should insist he acknowledges that you are not his "helpmeet" - to use an old term that used to refer to married women in relation to their husbands - available to him at all times for whatever project he can't find anyone else to do.

I wish you all the best, but my advice is to leave no stone unturned in your conversation, or you will have to repeat it, and you will find yourself becoming very frustrated and irritated and stressed.

mathanxiety · 09/06/2024 20:48

And I want to add - you need to require that he publicly repairs your reputation in the community, talks up your job, and tells people you are a wonderful wife and mother.

wizardofsoz · 09/06/2024 21:50

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AbbyBradley · 09/06/2024 21:57

wizardofsoz · 09/06/2024 21:50

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Strange place this.
Big hugs 💖✨

plimbow · 09/06/2024 22:00

Dear me OP, this thread's gone a bit bush.

CornishMade · 10/06/2024 00:43

The idea of advertising for 1 or more regular volunteers with design, marketing and PR skills is a good one.

SheilaFentiman · 10/06/2024 00:51

“have already enabled us to start talking it through like grown-ups.”

I’m glad you made some progress, OP. I had to hide the thread for a bit as the comments about your DH made me cross enough to get a rare deletion 😱 but I hope that DH is starting to get it.

Meetingofminds · 10/06/2024 06:27

wizardofsoz · 09/06/2024 13:37

Imagine you're in a sound, secure 30-year-marriage to a decent, interesting, capable man currently going through a blip as a result of retiring and struggling to adjust to his new situation. I said clearly in my first post that he's never behaved like this before. And imagine that because you've been stupid enough in a moment of fury to post on Mumsnet (I should have known better) you've been on the receiving end of dozens (maybe even hundreds, I've stopped reading) of batshit suggestions from people who apparently think that locking doors and being passive aggressive will help the situation. @godmum56 , for example, apparently seriously thinks it'll be a useful tactic to talk about my husband in a patronising, ageist and horribly disrespectful way to other people in our community.

Other people have called me a slave, implied I'm some kind of surrendered wife or blamed me for bringing this on myself. If I come over as defensive it's because I've been reigning myself in from being really, really rude.

Big thanks to the handful of women who've shown understanding of psychology, motivation and behaviours. Some of your suggestions about formally channelling DH's talents and energy and reframing what's going on have been very helpful and have already enabled us to start talking it through like grown-ups.

May I ask what has been going on in the last 30 years of your secure marriage if it’s taken to now to talk like grown ups?

Stop pandering and reframing and find your self respect op. You are not married to Jesus. Despite what he thinks.
Seriously, he sounds utterly insufferable and you have my sympathy.

GinForBreakfast · 10/06/2024 07:17

But what's actually happened OP? The last update your H wasn't talking to you.

SheilaFentiman · 10/06/2024 07:30

If I was OP, I would have left this thread a while back.

i am not slow with a LTB, but I don’t think it is warranted here, at leat not until other routes are tried.

And berating OP with words like pandering isn’t supportive. It’s rude.

OP is (I think) a 50 something woman balancing a change in her life and would like to find ways to make things better with another imperfect human.

Good luck with it, OP.

RetroTotty · 10/06/2024 07:53

wizardofsoz · 09/06/2024 21:50

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Here is OP, with her version of discussing things like a gown up.

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