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Was my online date probably going to murder me?

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Thefirstone · 31/05/2024 05:19

I haven’t slept tonight.
In early 2023 I met someone through a cuddle website online (I don’t remember which one). I am early 20’s and he is late 30’s so a lot older than me. we spoke for a few weeks at most but we clicked on a personal level and it was intense. I lived closer to him at the time (I now don’t). It became clear we had bonded. He spoke a lot about the issues he has with his family and I shared a bit about mine. He made himself out to be a really safe and trustworthy person that cared about me and I believe I massively over shared about my personal life, not knowing my family (I was brought up by my mother and she changed her name and her second name which I also took so I have no idea who my family are and she won’t talk about it), and having very minimal contact with my mother because she is bipolar and can turn on and off, she isn’t completely bad but has an abusive side to her and it isn’t good for my mental health. I don’t have many friends. We exchanged numbers. We didn’t meet in person but we were going to. He had good reviews. One day he just stopped replying a few days before we were going to meet up and after a bit I assumed he had lost interest and I deleted his number. I was a bit disappointed but I just forgot about him soon enough. I ended up moving a few hours away.
a few weeks ago I got a call and I didn’t know who it was at first but he was speaking to me in a friendly manner, asking me how I was etc. He explained who he was and that he lost contact because he ended up in hospital and then started dealing with personal family issues and self harm, and nevertheless I still don’t understand why he reached out to me but didn’t know how to question it further. He wanted to meet up like we were going to the first time bear in mind it had been more than a year since he just disappeared so I was reluctant despite how well we got on the first time.
I explained to him that I wanted to get to know him first and explained that he would have to stay in a hotel as I’m not completely comfortable. at first he seemed understanding and spoke about how he is respectful of the way that I feel but later on he got very offended and said that I must not like him if I am going to make him stay in a hotel even though it is the first time meeting him.
I have found his Facebook page it is from 2014 and he has no other social media besides linked in.
I suppose it is hard to work out with limited information but I have been speaking to a friend online who has said that he sounds manipulative and like he knows that I am isolated and cut off from a support network, knows I have issues and would be the perfect target if he is a murderer.
we were meant to meet up this Friday evening ever since the date was planned I have been having recurring vivid nightmares about being murdered in my bed by him and dragged off into the wooded area by my house. Tonight I haven’t slept at all as it’s Friday.
he doesn’t know my exact address but we were due to meet literally in a public space over the street from my house so that I can verify he was who he said he was before bringing him back to my house
but now I’m 99% sure I don’t want to at all.
I obviously have no evidence and it’s probably more likely that he wanted a shag but does it sound like he wanted to murder me and are there any other signs that I should look for that would tell me which it is? Do I explain anything to him or just block? I am extremely uncomfortable that he even has a rough idea of where I am and knows my name and number etc
if you got this far thanks for reading

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Pinkbonbon · 31/05/2024 13:11

Probably not a murderer but clearly a narcissist or similar such monster. Probably looking for a place to move into as it's not worked out with his last gf (victim). Maybe a...handsy creep, shall we say.

Never ever tell dates your personal buisness. Let alone before you've even met them!

Beware people who overshare with you. It's often tactic to get you to overrshare back. Also, it rushes building a feeling of trust as it makes you think THEY trust you and are confiding in you.

In future, any overshareres, block them, don't meet them. The same with people who tell you all about their exs or horrible divorces on date one.

Dating should be light and fun. At least fir the first few dates. They are not your therapist and you are not theirs.

If they guilt trip, push your boundaries or try to tell you who you are or should be like they're some frigging expert - block.

TheRainItRaineth · 31/05/2024 13:22

How much of your address does he have? Does he know what you look like?

pikkumyy77 · 31/05/2024 13:37

Thefirstone · 31/05/2024 06:02

I wasn’t even considering going to meet him it isn’t any distance away just across the road and on the opposite street in a public place in view of houses and cars I wanted to check he was who he said he was first the “date” was never going to be anywhere else other than my house because I genuinely don’t like going out to places and just wanted a comfy evening in. I just want to get out of this situation I am overwhelmed by it and imagining all the possibilities and what I should do but I am just too tired for this after no sleep maybe I can think more clearly after I have slept. I can’t believe it’s 6am and I haven’t slept at all.

Your house is a safe space for you but not once you invite a stranger in. You should never give your location information to a virtual stranger and never meet them in a private or secluded location at all.

Garlicnaan · 31/05/2024 13:40

pikkumyy77 · 31/05/2024 13:37

Your house is a safe space for you but not once you invite a stranger in. You should never give your location information to a virtual stranger and never meet them in a private or secluded location at all.

This. It's worrying that you would invite a stranger to your house tbh. Please speak to a friend about what appropriate and safe boundaries are so they can help you set some. It sounds like you are vulnerable.

50DiddlySquats · 31/05/2024 13:42

If you hate meeting in places “where people are around” why are you actively seeking out strangers to cuddle?

Please, OP, either sign up to a normal friendship app or dating app, and always get to know matches beforehand. You sound vulnerable and I’d be terrified of my daughter signing up to something like that!

somethingwickedlivesnextdoor · 31/05/2024 13:52

I'd go to the police and make a Clare's law application about him, he's that weird.

And then I'd block him. Be much more careful about the people you met online. Don't give out personal info. Don't say where you live. And steer well clear of 'cuddle websites'.

Busbusbusbusbus · 31/05/2024 13:54

Just googled it, frightening. Isn't Clare's law for someone you are in a relationship with? Op hasn't even met this man.

Erdinger · 31/05/2024 14:00

I don’t even know why you would consider taking a stranger back to your house in the first place . You don’t know this man.

Nettie1964 · 31/05/2024 14:01

Trust your gut please. Trust your instincts. Don't meer him, tell him you are cancelling. Block him. You hopefully haven't given him enough information to track you. Don't ask men you barely know to your home. Only 7% of communication is verbal a huge part of communication is facial expression and body langauge if you have never met him and your instincts are already on high alert. You don't know this man please just block him. Go to bed and get some sleep.

Viviennemary · 31/05/2024 14:01

He has an absolute nerve expecting to stay at your house when you haven't even met him before. You are totally right to refuse., just tell a white lie than you have got back with a previous boyfriend or have met somebody else. It's easier.

somethingwickedlivesnextdoor · 31/05/2024 14:04

Busbusbusbusbus · 31/05/2024 13:54

Just googled it, frightening. Isn't Clare's law for someone you are in a relationship with? Op hasn't even met this man.

Not necessarily. I googled: 'A Clare's Law application can be made by concerned family/friends/professionals who are worried about a new/existing partner.'

damebarbaracartlandsbiggestfan · 31/05/2024 14:05

I'm an oldie so maybe I should get with the times, but online meet/hook up culture sounds particularly bad for women to me.
At best, I have a friend who's spent about 15 years on and off one of the free dating sites/apps, despite me almost begging her at times to get on a more reputable one. She's had several relationships over the years from there, but none of them were great or worked out long term, all the guys she met were pretty flaky.
You've been given lots of great advice so not a lot to add, but you should forge social connections by joining social/activity groups. You might not meet your next partner there directly, but getting out there socially and making friends will give you a chance to meet and interact with a wider range of people. Maybe a friend you might make at a running group will have a lovely single brother or flatmate etc.
I doubt the guy you were in contact with was a murderer, but he sounded like drama and potential strife, and I think you had these dreams because your subconscious was fully aware of this.

Busbusbusbusbus · 31/05/2024 14:10

somethingwickedlivesnextdoor · 31/05/2024 14:04

Not necessarily. I googled: 'A Clare's Law application can be made by concerned family/friends/professionals who are worried about a new/existing partner.'

Sorry I meant the cuddle website was frightening. He's not a partner though that's my point she hasn't even met him I don't think Clare's law works like that for potential dates she just needs to block him and move on.

Needanewname42 · 31/05/2024 14:10

somethingwickedlivesnextdoor · 31/05/2024 13:52

I'd go to the police and make a Clare's law application about him, he's that weird.

And then I'd block him. Be much more careful about the people you met online. Don't give out personal info. Don't say where you live. And steer well clear of 'cuddle websites'.

How could she do that? He is a complete stranger.
Even if the police said they have nothing on him. There is zero guarantee he is who he says he is. He could be using a false name or anything.
Do you really think a rapist or whatever would use their real name?

Otterock · 31/05/2024 14:15

Probably not a murderer but definitely sounds manipulative and likely to be controlling. Oversharing, ghosting and then just ringing out of the blue a year later with a sob story (I doubt it’s true) and to stay over shows a clear lack of respect for boundaries. He’d probably end up love bombing you and wearing down the rest of your boundaries and self respect to get you where he wants you. He sounds like a complete predator and is already showing you who he is. Just block him and move on.

PadstowGirl · 31/05/2024 14:17

Anotherparkingthread · 31/05/2024 12:48

Disappearing and then reappearing and wanting a place to stay... Are you sure he hasn't just got out of jail op?

This was my first thought too.

Just text him, tell him you've changed your mind and don't want to meet up with him. Then block him.

DuckEggy · 31/05/2024 14:18

Cancel, block. Say you were using your brother's address as advised by friends but you are no longer interested.

Nigellasstickytoffeepudding · 31/05/2024 14:21

Wordless · 31/05/2024 05:48

Never invite strange men from apps to your home, @Thefirstone - particularly if they become insistent that you should.

On cuddling - came upon this article, very recent:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/i-paid-money-to-cuddle-with-strangers-it-didnt-go-the-way-i-thought-it-would_uk_664b2d81e4b03e832e4bebb5/

This sounds odd like it's some sort of gateway into swinging.

diddl · 31/05/2024 14:22

a cuddle website is basically meeting up for cuddles with strangers

I mean to most of us that would scream "no!" from the off!

UnctuousUnicorns · 31/05/2024 14:23

Wordless · 31/05/2024 05:48

Never invite strange men from apps to your home, @Thefirstone - particularly if they become insistent that you should.

On cuddling - came upon this article, very recent:

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/i-paid-money-to-cuddle-with-strangers-it-didnt-go-the-way-i-thought-it-would_uk_664b2d81e4b03e832e4bebb5/

I've just read that, and my only thought was - wtf? Wanting to stroke a stranger's arm? Frickin' weirdos!

diddl · 31/05/2024 14:30

I've just read that, and my only thought was - wtf? Wanting to stroke a stranger's arm? Frickin' weirdos!

Yup!

Including the writer of the piece!

Margo2023 · 31/05/2024 14:35

What did you decide OP, hopefully not to meet him

UnctuousUnicorns · 31/05/2024 14:43

diddl · 31/05/2024 14:30

I've just read that, and my only thought was - wtf? Wanting to stroke a stranger's arm? Frickin' weirdos!

Yup!

Including the writer of the piece!

How very unlike the home life of our own dear departed Queen! 😅

NewMe2024 · 31/05/2024 14:57

I’m a bit concerned that OP hasn’t come back. Hope she isn’t too overwhelmed by the strength of feeling on this thread. Everyone is being supportive but some comments might feel quite critical to someone who is already very stressed out.

SunniestOfSundays · 31/05/2024 15:17

Inviting a complete stranger into your house for a first date/meeting is completely absurd behaviour, he could be anyone and capable of anything.

I am pleased you aren’t going to go through with this, but please also do not consider doing this again in the future. It could be incredibly unsafe and it’s better to be safe than sorry. Do not put yourself at risk.

I hope you haven’t made him aware that the meeting place was across the road from where you live - because that’s another silly thing to have done. You’re really risking your safety OP.

Block him and be much more cautious and sensible moving forward.