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Anybody else desperately trying not to contact a guy?

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FuckSakeGetAGrip · 06/05/2024 12:02

I am, and it's honest to god wrecking me.

Please tell me someone else is struggling too.

I'll hold your hand if you'll hold mine...

OP posts:
Errors · 11/06/2024 13:19

For anyone who hasn’t read it, there is a thread on here at the moment called “friend screenshotted my boyfriend on a dating app” or something or other. I only read the OPs updates but found her quite inspiring. She didn’t put up with his shit and ditched him in a way that he deserved!

@Frith2013 - how you’re feeling goes a long way to explaining why you are in the position you are in with a guy. No judgement as I have honestly been there. I don’t know what the answer is but all I can say is as soon as I started putting my energy in to not giving a fuck what everyone thought of me, the better my life has become. It’s still a fairly new feeling, so I don’t always get it right but what other people think of you is none of your business. When are you going to care what YOU think of you?? My sweet, you really need to think more highly of yourself than this Flowers

Thewookiemustgo · 11/06/2024 13:24

@Frith2013 whose voice is this telling you this stuff? You could be me sometimes, you really could. Yep, obviously it’s your voice in your head, and I do believe there’s DNA for the extent to which we worry/ overthink stuff, but you learned most of this externally from one source or another. Parents, relatives, teachers, the so-called ‘cool’ kids at school, insecure work colleagues/ bosses who made themselves feel ‘more than’ by making others feel ‘less than’…. we picked up lots of false beliefs about ourselves along the way and we use those voices to attack ourselves as proof of our unworthiness at low times, and we can also end up on constantly on the alert to avoid the (actually really rare and usually perceived, not actual ) disapproval or criticism of others and collection of yet more voices to thrash ourselves with. “Did I park the car ok? What if this dress makes me look like a twat? They waved at me and smiled but are they secretly hoping that Frith doesn’t talk to them?” Who are you asking these questions of Frith? Are you saying “Did I park the car ok Mum/ Mrs Smith, that cow if a geography teacher I had in the fourth form/ Sally Ann Snootybum from up the road when I was ten who called me fat?” Who are you asking and why is their opinion important? What are the range of possible answers?
I can hear that you’re probably sick to death of therapy but I had cognitive behaviour therapy (mindfulness based cognitive behavioural therapy is really helpful, I found, with stuff like this) and with hard work (you really, really have to work at this) it helps. A lot.
I’m still a work in progress and I, too, have to check I haven’t parked like a dick. ‘Dick’ not meaning ‘blocked a drive’ or massively inconvenienced anyone, oh no. That’s the standard for other people. For Wookie, not parking like a dick means ‘parked absolutely straight and in the middle of the space with preferably the same distance between each side of the white lines and my car’.
🙄 At some point we’ve set our bars higher than we do for other people and set ridiculous standards for ourselves that again, we’d never set for others. We check to make sure we’re meeting these standards and if other people (oh horror of horrors) have noticed. It’s also far easier for us to ‘fail’ than other people, because we rarely meet the stupidly high standards we’ve set ourselves.
Did they notice? Most likely answer? No, they didn’t. They’ve got their own crap to deal with and we, and our parking and our clothes and our sparkling conversations (or lack of them) are nowhere near that big a deal to anyone except us. We need to cut ourselves some serious slack!
This guy? Of course you know he’s an unsuitable man! But when we have low self esteem or just feel a bit down on ourselves and are on the alert for criticism or negative contact with others, the ones who say the right things and pay us positive attention and counter the negative voices in our head might as well be crack cocaine, frith. We want men who make us feel like this to be ‘suitable’ because it feels good and we long for it. So on go the blinkers and we tell ourselves all sorts of stuff to excuse shit treatment etc until we feel so bad that we can’t deny it any more, but we’re hooked because maybe, just maybe, he’ll call/ text some magic words and smile that smile and the sun will come up again. Unless, of course, the sun actually does disappear every time they sit down, it doesn’t shine out of their arses and we know it.
Think in terms of addiction, if you’ve been using this to add excitement and feel good even though you know it’s not good for you, you also know you need to stop. The good news is you can. Look at the AA 12 step program which works for most addictions with a few tweaks. Find a good cognitive behavioural therapist for self esteem issues, and write down those negative thoughts and alternative answers. Therapy is hard work, but get a good therapist (or even a book) and put the time in and results do happen. I’m way better than I was, and I’ve dialled my negative voices down to a one or a two, ten having been when it was pretty much constant.
It took years but it’s worth it.

namechangeforthis5 · 11/06/2024 13:33

@Thewookiemustgo your comment is very helpful and true of course. I also care too much about what others think of me and I recently had a problem that OM helped me with but that actually feeds the obsessive behaviour because I crave reassurance as a person. He always seems to show up when times are bad but what I have realised is he is part of the cause! I have an obsessive personality and that needs to change.

Errors · 11/06/2024 14:41

I’m so bad at looking for validation from people that I even do it on MN threads! Sometimes I can convince myself that I posted something stupid but this is MN and people would soon tell you!

Anyway, I had an epiphany just - only a little one, but I had a big birthday over the weekend and we were originally meant to go away for it but I cancelled for various reasons and we said we would just do some days and nights out or whatever. I was obviously already starting to see huge cracks appearing because I made plans with other people as well, rather than just focussing on him and me spending time together and I’m proud of that. Not only because I was starting to do some stuff for myself, but because he broke up with me only a few days before it meant that I already had some nice things lined up to do with friends and I actually still had a nice birthday.
I think that’s a lot of progress from my previous break ups!

namechangeforthis5 · 11/06/2024 18:32

I suffer with a kind of ocd type anxiety and I’m worried about something at the moment and part of me is saying if I text him it will all be ok.

namechangeforthis5 · 11/06/2024 19:13

Someone tell me it will anyway and I don’t need to do it

Errors · 11/06/2024 19:15

namechangeforthis5 · 11/06/2024 19:13

Someone tell me it will anyway and I don’t need to do it

Please DO NOT text him. Nothing bad will happen if you don’t, but you will feel shit if you do.

BeCleverSquid · 11/06/2024 19:18

@Thewookiemustgo really good advice thank you

liveinthesticks · 11/06/2024 19:19

namechangeforthis5 · 11/06/2024 19:13

Someone tell me it will anyway and I don’t need to do it

You don’t need to do it. That’s what I used to do as well, well me & text person did…..such an unhealthy relationship.
i know im struggling at the moment as im stressed at work.

namechangeforthis5 · 11/06/2024 19:24

Why do I feel like this. I know it’s stupid. Like how will anyone at work know but it’s just there. Like something bad will happen if I don’t

namechangeforthis5 · 11/06/2024 19:24

Thank you all x

Frith2013 · 11/06/2024 19:27

@Thewookiemustgo criticism from all quarters really, but relentlessly from my mother.

IDontFeelItAnymore · 11/06/2024 19:27

@namechangeforthis5 it's me again, the OP, yet another name change.

Whatever it is you really want to say to him, you can DM to me if you want.

namechangeforthis5 · 11/06/2024 19:39

Thank you @IDontFeelItAnymore nothing in particular just hi I’m worried about work how are you

namechangeforthis5 · 11/06/2024 19:41

It’s the act of doing it as though someone knows I’m following out the thing to stay safe. It’s not even about him but he reassured me last time and he was right so I just wanted to hear it again. Do the same things as before so it will be ok. I know it sounds nuts

IDontFeelItAnymore · 11/06/2024 19:43

Ok. Well that's a very non-message message designed only to give you a dopamine hit, to be swiftly followed by a very low low and a massive side helping of 'fuck cringe why did I text him'.

Does that help...

namechangeforthis5 · 11/06/2024 19:57

Ha ha erm yes it does! I have had therapy for these behaviours. I mean how does anyone know I’ve done it 😬

IDontFeelItAnymore · 11/06/2024 20:01

Sorry but it's really easy to see my own behaviours reflected 😆

I don't have any urge right now for contact, I'm not sure we've got much left to say.

namechangeforthis5 · 11/06/2024 20:23

No need to apologise. There’s other things too. Wear the same earrings, eat the same lunch etc. It’s not just him but I seem to project it there. I know he would reassure me without realising that he’s feeding it too.

namechangeforthis5 · 11/06/2024 20:23

I had no urge until now

Thewookiemustgo · 11/06/2024 20:37

@namechangeforthis5 its not nuts, it’s your survival mechanism kicking in, which was triggered by a recurring worry, so you seek out guaranteed reassurance to switch it off and calm the anxiety, classic OCD dynamic.
It’s become a little ritual for you so that when you’re triggered, you feel unsafe unless you carry it out. Not nuts, pretty logical when in the grips of an obsession.
Does it help to box it up in your head as a compulsion? When you feel the urge to do it, stop, take a few breaths, remind yourself that the anxiety is part of the obsession and that at the moment the anxiety in charge, the anxiety in the driving seat, not Namechange. Mentally give the steering wheel and controls back to Namechange and steer away from the compulsion. Tell yourself that you are in charge, not the anxiety, then do an alternative behaviour instead, or just literally do nothing, sit with the anxiety for a while and observe how you feel, what happens when you don’t follow through. It will feel uncomfortable, but nothing bad will happen. Rinse and repeat when necessary. When your brain learns that nothing bad happens when you don’t follow through, it will switch off the alarm itself and the urge to turn back to old habits will lose its grip on you.

namechangeforthis5 · 11/06/2024 21:43

Thanks for that so helpful. But what if something bad does happen regarding my job. Then will I think i should have messaged?

NCfirst · 11/06/2024 21:58

Name changed but wanted to say how helpful I've found this thread. I'm so annoyed for all of us women who are so strong and a lot of us don't get validation at home so seek it elsewhere. I've been with husband 24 years, met at 16. Guy started at work in new year and we clicked right away. My marriage is a joke, full of alcoholism and toxic behaviour. I'm 41 this year and this younger man paid attention to me though I instigated and now I find myself not concentrating at work for waiting for when he's online via teams so we can talk. I need to stop this obsessive behaviour I know it's pathetic and I also am fully aware that we've not much in common but an attraction to each other. Though we've not had sex we've been away with work and it's been pretty close to doing so. I need to stop "checking" in with him daily cause thing is he's so emotionally unavailable I feel like a sad baby reindeer. Thank you for this thread it's very helpful

Thewookiemustgo · 11/06/2024 22:03

@namechangeforthis5 that’s your obsessive anxiety talking, but I honestly get it. Ask yourself, as many times as you have to, how texting or not texting can possibly influence your job, boss or colleagues? List why you think it might. Can the man you are texting influence what happens at work, can he control your colleagues or boss? Logically you know that not texting has no effect on anything other than your anxiety. Try to separate your anxiety from the logical facts. Tell yourself it’s ok to be anxious, you have OCD. I had a mantra which was “It’s not me, it’s my OCD” and that level of separation allowed me to feel the anxiety whilst knowing what the reality of the situation was. It’s just reassurance-seeking, nothing more. The reassurance you receive will calm your anxiety, but can have no influence over actual events. It’s so hard but the more you push through without the reassurance, the less you will need it.

namechangeforthis5 · 11/06/2024 22:14

Thank you @Thewookiemustgo. I will push through. Of course I know it has no effect so I will go to bed and try not to think about it. X

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