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Please help Husband and strip club

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ReadyforthechorusLTB · 05/05/2024 10:25

My husband went on a works night out last night, he came home in a terrible state vomiting on the carpet that I cleaned to save the poor kids standing in it.
Anyway, I've picked up his pants and noticed an obviously stain at the front inside.
I confronted him and he said he went to a strip club. I asked to see his bank account immediately and he has spent £775 ! There is multiple charges some at £115 and even one for £230. Apparently this is the first time he has paid for a dance. I have downloaded a year's worth of statements and I can't see any other incidents.
To make things worse he slipped up and said he went alone after everyone else had gone home. Why?!!

Pre kids I would have walked away. But I have two young children, and leaving would completely change their lives for the worse. He earns more than I do, we have no outside support and I have no family to go to, and I couldn't manage the mortgage payments on my own.
I feel physically sick. I'm not sure how I am meant to trust him again!
Does anyone know what happens at strip clubs. What has he paid for. Is this just dances!

OP posts:
strangewomenlyinginponds · 08/05/2024 21:18

YouJustDoYou · 07/05/2024 20:30

You'll now forever be left wondering what he's doing of a night out. He now has the taste for this - they rarely ever never go again. Your future is forever more looking over your shoulder, doubting him.

And, honestly, it probably wasn't his first visit to a prostitute/stripper, they don't get caught the first time, the odds of that would be tiny.

strangewomenlyinginponds · 08/05/2024 21:22

Sorry double post.

PriscillaPresssley · 08/05/2024 21:22

A prostitute/stripper?

A double entity?

Mumsnet gets weirder every day

strangewomenlyinginponds · 08/05/2024 21:23

Anyway, I've no more to add so won't check the thread again.

You know that some strippers are prostitutes and many strip clubs offer prostitution as extras. You know he cheated on you and you know you can't trust him.

Good luck to you and your kids.

WillYouPutYourCoatOn · 08/05/2024 21:26

Bigdarkduck · 08/05/2024 20:48

I've not RTFT. My DH did similar, but not to the extent of £800. He took money away on a stag do and the cost came out of that. Someone up thread posted something along the lines of "what could the dancer/stripper give my DH that he couldn't get from me". This really resonated with me. Over a year on and I still think about why my DH did it. It left me feeling ugly/fat/disgusting (I have huge body image issues). I will probably never get over it. To make it worse, DH has ED and refuses to take viagra even though I brought it (he said he was embarrassed to buy it). I see it as just doesn't want sex with me.

I can answer this for you if you like. Because honestly, it's nothing to do with you.

From the other side, for ages I couldn't work out why I could actually command the money I did, for essentially fuck all. It made no sense. If it's actual sex you want, you can get an escort for £100 an hour, so why the hell are you paying me £500 to prance around and do sod all for an hour instead?

I think the answer will make you feel better about yourself, but appreciate strippers, even ex ones are not going to be your favourite people so you might rather I just keep quiet.

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WillYouPutYourCoatOn · 08/05/2024 21:50

I do like how you had to edit from:

People like WillYouPutYourCoatOn don't understand the impact on normal women

To

People like WillYouPutYourCoatOn who are happy to shake their bits about as a career don't understand the impact...

Speaks loudly :)

And dear god, if you think we earn thousands in a night for vapidly waving our arses about, please know you are very mistaken. Please don't think any idiot can wap their boobs out and be a stripper. It's got bugger all to do with tits. Most men can find someone at the end of a night in a bar and see tits for free, frankly. We are businesswomen who could sell ice to the Eskimos. Most of my biggest spending regulars I wouldn't even dance. They pay simply to sit with you. I do understand a lot of people can't compute this. I get that completely. Hence why people are adamant they must be getting something else for their money. Who pays £500 to chat to someone for an hour, right?! Plenty, that's who.

And it's not a room of just supermodels or plastic fantastics. I would say the only thing that everyone had in common was a pretty face. But there are short, tall, fat, thin, heavily made up, girl next door, bubbly, aloof, athletic, tattooed, all kinds of girls.

WillYouPutYourCoatOn · 08/05/2024 22:06

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I mean, the girls have done nothing wrong to be fair.

I understand the correlation/association to your abusive husband. But why you think four girls who will have put on a stag show (which is more comedy than anything else, they'll have walked him round with a lead then whipped him with it in front of everyone etc) are the root of the problem in this situation? It's a very rehearsed stage show. For stags, birthday, always the same. Typically no stripping. Then as a "ta da" the girls go topless for about 20 seconds so the photo can be taken. He'll have been one of around 4 of these identical shows that happen every single night.

You are misdirecting your anger at the wrong place. Please, the girls are not grim. Your ex husband was an abuser.

I'm sorry he made you feel that way. Glad he's an ex husband.

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Megifer · 08/05/2024 22:37

WillYouPutYourCoatOn · 08/05/2024 20:13

Just to clarify I directly quoted the "crass screaming abuse" from what posters had said to me. For balance I should go and report all those I guess.

The irony, they can't bear to have their own words merely repeated back at them. They can make vile accusations of other women. That sits fine with them. But if someone says, "oh, well sure, if you can completely fabricate that's what I do, then as far as I'm concerned you do the same."....

In fairness, most of what I quoted was from @Megifer and she was not the one who had such double standards to apply those terms to other women, but wail for deletion if the exact same unfounded accusations are applied to them. You'll see in a prior post I spoke about the pack mentality.

So thank you for acknowledging the crass screaming abuse I copied from this thread, directed at strippers.

Bit of an own goal there, eh.

And no, I was not reprimanded by anyone. MN commented to address the "bun fight" from many posters. Including yourself.

Also @Megifer I know the card charges weren't allowed back when I was dancing. They were, then a law came in disallowing it. There was no big announcement though, so many clubs (and loads of other businesses) didn't know, until someone pointed it out. I would say the law came in maybe 5yrs before I finished dancing. And at that time, at least 50% of clubs were still applying card charges. It doesn't surprise me some still are. I'm not sure if there have been further changes which make these charges ok again? Maybe a credit card can have a surcharge, just not a debit?

I certainly know that when I was working for a sub branch of Spearmint, it literally happened by one of the girls, a good year after the law came in, saying "I don't think you can do these card charges any more?" And the boss saying "don't be daft, since when" and her saying "look it up, I'm sure we can't" and him coming back about half an hour later "oh shit, you're not wrong." And the next week, country wide, all our card charges had gone. And this was a huge organisation. They just didn't know. It was very strange how there was no real announcement, loads of businesses, not just strip clubs were caught out.

If i understood the regs correctly it's applied to all credit/debit cards (apart from business cards). 2018 it came in (it doesnt come across that you only stopped dancing a year ago!) before that it could only be the cost of the transaction passed on, so like 2% or whatever automatically set, definitely not the 15% quoted earlier 😱 I only vaguely remember hearing about it but some of it is coming back, remember fuming about having to pay extra on things like holidays and concert tickets.

I'm surprised a subsidiary of a place like Spearmint Rhino didn't have decent accountants that sent 'news' alerts or would have realised themselves when they went through the accounts etc. Or any other place having an accountant not spotting that.

And, just to (hopefully) clarify very neutrally and calmly:

I havent reported any of your posts. I've never reported any posts directed at me on MN. It's just words, and I'm not 9 years old (no offence to anyone who has ever reported posts directed at them, it's just not my thing)

I didn't have double standards. I've not once been derogatory towards strippers nor did I accuse you personally of offering extras or prostituting yourself (so you didn't apply the same unfounded accusations to me, because I never applied them to you in the first place) But again, you calling me a prostitute was just words. Im really not arsed about that. Except maybe the insulting low-ball amount that you said I charge.

I haven't made vile accusations about other women. Unless you're classing me saying extras are offered in some clubs as saying the women are vile? I don't think they are vile, my view on that isn't really relevant to this thread, but I can assure you I don't think the women that do this are vile at all.

I haven't screamed crass abuse at anybody, stripper or otherwise, please do report any that you think are abusive. I'd admit my post re: yanking other dicks might be a bit close to the bone (so to speak) so wouldn't be surprised if that one went. But I don't think thats crass or abusive, it was a bit of bantz back at you, after you said I give handjobs at work for £50.

Finally, I just thought the surcharge thing might be practical help for the op as she was mentioning money before. And yeah tbh, bit of humiliation for the DH.

WillYouPutYourCoatOn · 08/05/2024 23:41

Op of course he got a wank at the very least. I'm always surprised that some STILL try to insist it's all virtuous no touching with theatrical sitting on hands 🙄 and more surprised some believe it, or want to believe it maybe.

There's just one of your posts.

Got a wank at least. That's what you declared @Megifer . That's not even an accusation. That's you telling this poor woman what has happened. He paid £100 for a wank. So if you believe me repeating back that I therefore declare you provide the same service (having an equally unfounded basis as you have of me/my colleagues doing so) is calling you a prostitute....then congratulations, it's exactly what you did. What ever is the point pretending you didn't do this? It's there in black and white. Did I say you did it for £50 instead though? Yeah, that's the thing to be offended by. I'm very happy for you to have the same accusation for £100. And it is vile. To be very clear.

And after that, you actually have the audacity to trot out I've not once been derogatory towards strippers.

I think I was pretty clear in my post that you hadn't reported anything. I mentioned that specifically. And the other poster with her dramatic nonsense of crass screaming abuse, correct, applies as little to you as it does to me. You know the ones who lie about a deleted post to try and pretend a poster said something they didn't. Nothing new.

This, is what really baffles me:

I haven't made vile accusations about other women. Unless you're classing me saying extras are offered in some clubs as saying the women are vile?

Just to clarify. You're saying in the place(s) I/my colleagues work, I/my colleagues offer sex acts for money.

That's a prostitute you're thinking of there. Try telling some of the women in your office that you've decided they sell sex acts. See if they find it a vile accusation or not. Because according to you, it's fine because you're not calling them vile, just prostitutes. Seriously, try it at work, see how it goes. Well of course you won't because only an idiot would claim they couldn't see how outrageously inappropriate and offensive it is. You wouldn't dare, you know that perfectly well.

Card fees - there must have been something else in the law before 2018. Because the big club scrapped them well before that. More like 2012-14 I think. Fees ranged from 5% to 20% if they paid by card. Second to last place I worked, 15 mins was £100 in cash £120 by card.

WillYouPutYourCoatOn · 08/05/2024 23:51

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You don't need to remember. Click edit it shows you.

No buzz here. Gently, I don't care enough to try and upset you.

I do care about my friends who are brilliant, strong, educated, talented, shrewd, successful and the most loyal caring girls I've ever had the pleasure to know, being persecuted, not by anything they've done, but by rumour or people with their own personal issues or agenda.

Take your husband out the photo. Still going to vomit at a picture of 4 random topless women? No. Still happy to call them grim though eh.

Megifer · 09/05/2024 00:42

Got a wank at least. That's what you declared @Megifer. That's not even an accusation. That's you telling this poor woman whathashappened.
my opinion. Ah yea probably wrong. Who knows. Not accusatory towards you though, not saying anyone is vile.

He paid £100 for a wank. So if you believe me repeating back that I therefore declare you provide the same service (having an equally unfounded basis as you have of me/my colleagues doing so) is calling you a prostitute....then congratulations, it's exactly what you did.
no it isn't. I didn't call you a prostitute, but you called me one. And, again, i generally have no strong feelings, either way towards sex workers/strippers who do extras

What ever is the point pretending you didn't do this? It's there in black and white. Did I say you did it for £50 instead though? Yeah, that's the thing to be offended by.
I'm very happy for you to have the same accusation for £100. And it is vile. To be very clear.
it is in black and white that I didn't call you a prostitute. To be clear, if this post goes poof due to you shoehorning in calling me a prostitute again, its not me whos reported it!

And after that, you actually have the audacity to trot outI've not once been derogatory towards strippers.
I haven't. Not once. Please say where i have. Bearing in mind i wouldnt think saying anyone working in a strip club who offers extras is derogatory. It seems you might do (with ref to dirty/clean etc) so maybe that's you assuming everyone thinks the same?

I think I was pretty clear in my post that you hadn't reported anything. I mentioned that specifically.
so when you said "In fairness, most of what I quoted was from @Megifer and she was not the one who had such double standards to apply those terms to other women, but wail for deletion you didn't mean i wailed for deletion?*

This, is what really baffles me:

I haven't made vile accusations about other women. Unless you're classing me saying extras are offered in some clubs as saying the women are vile?

Just to clarify. You're saying in the place(s) I/my colleagues work, I/my colleagues offer sex acts for money.
some places. I have no idea if you or your (ex?) colleagues have worked in any that do. It doesn't seem it tbf

That's a prostitute you're thinking of there. Try telling some of the women in your office that you've decided they sell sex acts.
why would i? We dont work in an industry that has businesses that do allow sex acts? Im not insulting anyone here! Ive said before i have views on this that arent relevant to this thread, but i genuinely have no ill thoughts or feelings towards the ladies

See if they find it a vile accusation or not. Because according to you, it's fine because you're not calling them vile, just prostitutes. Seriously, try it at work, see how it goes. Well of course you won't because only an idiot would claim they couldn't see how outrageously inappropriate and offensive it is. You wouldn't dare, you know that perfectly well.
context is key. We all make statements on here we wouldn't IRL. Tbf, I wouldn't say how I feel about prostitution IRL because I find people are really against it (and pretty misogynistic about it) and disagree with my fence sitting views. To be clear, it's the men I have the main issue with

Card fees - there must have been something else in the law before 2018. Because the big club scrapped them well before that. More like 2012-14 I think. Fees ranged from 5% to 20% if they paid by card. Second to last place I worked, 15 mins was £100 in cash £120 by card.
nothing major tbf, just that in 2012 there was a cap on surcharges that couldn't be more than the fee set by the merchant so the 2% etc. The 20% one must be before 2012.....£100 for 15 mins then and its the same price now well over 12 years later? At least inflation hasn't hit strip clubs!

everyone else I'm so sorry for my part in this going on but I just really wanted to clear some of the confusion up and hope now I've clarified things and this poster has too, it's indeed been cleared up ☺️

Aussiegirl123456 · 09/05/2024 00:50

I commented earlier and you can see my posting history over the years where I’ve spoken about being a stripper, years ago. I always say the same thing about these clubs. This is just my reflections of my experience.

Strip clubs are dire, grim, revolting places.

Good men do not set foot in them. Ever.

They are sleazy places that exploit just about everyone. They’re a stain on society.

They exploit the women who work in them.

Don’t be fooled, dancers are not ‘business women’ like a previous poster suggested. We were vulnerable and exploited. I worked in “high end” (what an oxymoron - high end strip club!) clubs, where we were supposedly looked after and treated well. I dread to think what my colleagues at other clubs were treated like if we were deemed treated well.

Not all dancers are prostitutes or trafficked. Pretty much all dancers would rather be anywhere else on earth than where they are. Nobody as a child aspires to be a stripper.

Working as a dancer meant we were constantly under scrutiny from club managers, colleagues and the punters. You only have to look at that punter rating site to see what vile comments men feel they can make when they purchase your time.

Please don’t be fooled that men come into those places because the women are “hot”. Many come in because they like to tell dancers that their boobs are saggy or their thighs are fat. Or to pit women against one another. Eg they’d tell their wives dancers are sexy but would tell the dancers that they’re not enough because they were scabby dancers with no education. Or they’d pit dancers against one another. Power thing again. Deep patriarchal culture.

It has nothing to do with how the girlfriend or wife isn’t sexy enough or the dancer is sexier. It’s a power trip for the man. This is going to sound very rude and horrible, but I have to say it to reiterate my point. Some of my fellow dancers were not in the slightest bit attractive. Did the men care? Never. They just don’t seem to care!

So please - as hard as it is - don’t think you’re not enough. You are. Any husbands or boyfriends visiting these hellholes aren’t there to find or look at better women, they’re there because they are “asserting their power“ and they feel so bloody entitled that they think they can pay to look at any woman they like naked.

I can’t comment on the prostitution aspect. In the clubs I worked in, it seldom happened. If it did and the women were caught, they were fined by management and fired. It is something I never did despite being offered pretty much every shift I worked. I was literally there to pay for my university fees (international student and not eligible for a student loan, so working at asda wouldn’t cut it) and then get the hell out of there.

My colleagues were all such vulnerable women. Single mums. Some with addiction issues. Some with other issues. No dancer I worked with didn’t have some sort of issue in their life despite when first meeting they were “just a student looking for easy money”.

For me, visiting a strip club is cheating. I wouldn’t be involved with a man who visits them.

I know some women do visit clubs with their partners. I had many. I hated this. Yes, I would tone the dance down tenfold. Yes it was awkward for everyone. Yes, the men always act differently when their partner is there. Yes, I always felt sorry for the woman who was deluding herself that she was enjoying it but knowing she was living with a man who believes women are a commodity that can be purchased.

They are just very gross places.
That day I last walked out of work was one of the best days of my life! I never look at men the same because I know how disgusting most of them are.

I had MPs, uni professors, bank managers, lawyers, judges, teachers, headmasters, child protection workers, policemen etc all visit. People who I always believed were good people. What a let down. TBH the ‘nicest’ and most respectful punters were usually builders funny enough.

Sorry for the long blurb. I just want all women to know that if your partner does visit these places, it is zero reflection on you or your looks or your sexiness. You are enough. It’s this fucking world we live in that is based on sexist and patriarchal values that allow men to believe they can always have more than they deserve if they pay for it.

Aswellisnotoneword · 09/05/2024 01:19

I know you said you don't care about the porn OP but to me, combined with the (alleged) strip club one off, it paints a picture of how he sees women.

In his mind, women's bodies are something he can purchase (for the right price) to service his needs, whatever they may be at the time. If he wants arousal, he wants comfort or cheering up, whatever the justification is at the time. He sees anonymous women as a commodity, not as actual people.

That's some deep-seated misogyny that I would want stamped out through therapy before trying to go on with the relationship, or he'll forever be the kind of guy who will reach for a woman (any woman) to fulfil his immediate needs, then justify/regret it/blame you later. Do you have daughters? How would he explain his purchase of women to them?

strangewomenlyinginponds · 09/05/2024 05:37

Lured back in by notifications which I am now turning off!

For the women who feel bad because of stripper/prostitutes. Please don't. Creepy men.are creepy and their lies and grossness are nothing to do with you. They seek out sleaze because they're sleazy.

As for the rest, I've seen some tedious, self absorbed bloviating make the whole thread about me behaviour on this platform but never imagined sermonising about strippers could be so self importantly bloody boring 😆🤣😅

Didn't get through a single wall of that tedious text. Noticed someone else said they should write a memoir some time ago - no need just copy paste this thread which has turned into memoirs of a saintly 😇🤣😂stripper.

Right so - some strippers are prostitutes.

Now that we've got that settled, buh bye ! 😘

strangewomenlyinginponds · 09/05/2024 05:38

Aussiegirl123456 · 09/05/2024 00:50

I commented earlier and you can see my posting history over the years where I’ve spoken about being a stripper, years ago. I always say the same thing about these clubs. This is just my reflections of my experience.

Strip clubs are dire, grim, revolting places.

Good men do not set foot in them. Ever.

They are sleazy places that exploit just about everyone. They’re a stain on society.

They exploit the women who work in them.

Don’t be fooled, dancers are not ‘business women’ like a previous poster suggested. We were vulnerable and exploited. I worked in “high end” (what an oxymoron - high end strip club!) clubs, where we were supposedly looked after and treated well. I dread to think what my colleagues at other clubs were treated like if we were deemed treated well.

Not all dancers are prostitutes or trafficked. Pretty much all dancers would rather be anywhere else on earth than where they are. Nobody as a child aspires to be a stripper.

Working as a dancer meant we were constantly under scrutiny from club managers, colleagues and the punters. You only have to look at that punter rating site to see what vile comments men feel they can make when they purchase your time.

Please don’t be fooled that men come into those places because the women are “hot”. Many come in because they like to tell dancers that their boobs are saggy or their thighs are fat. Or to pit women against one another. Eg they’d tell their wives dancers are sexy but would tell the dancers that they’re not enough because they were scabby dancers with no education. Or they’d pit dancers against one another. Power thing again. Deep patriarchal culture.

It has nothing to do with how the girlfriend or wife isn’t sexy enough or the dancer is sexier. It’s a power trip for the man. This is going to sound very rude and horrible, but I have to say it to reiterate my point. Some of my fellow dancers were not in the slightest bit attractive. Did the men care? Never. They just don’t seem to care!

So please - as hard as it is - don’t think you’re not enough. You are. Any husbands or boyfriends visiting these hellholes aren’t there to find or look at better women, they’re there because they are “asserting their power“ and they feel so bloody entitled that they think they can pay to look at any woman they like naked.

I can’t comment on the prostitution aspect. In the clubs I worked in, it seldom happened. If it did and the women were caught, they were fined by management and fired. It is something I never did despite being offered pretty much every shift I worked. I was literally there to pay for my university fees (international student and not eligible for a student loan, so working at asda wouldn’t cut it) and then get the hell out of there.

My colleagues were all such vulnerable women. Single mums. Some with addiction issues. Some with other issues. No dancer I worked with didn’t have some sort of issue in their life despite when first meeting they were “just a student looking for easy money”.

For me, visiting a strip club is cheating. I wouldn’t be involved with a man who visits them.

I know some women do visit clubs with their partners. I had many. I hated this. Yes, I would tone the dance down tenfold. Yes it was awkward for everyone. Yes, the men always act differently when their partner is there. Yes, I always felt sorry for the woman who was deluding herself that she was enjoying it but knowing she was living with a man who believes women are a commodity that can be purchased.

They are just very gross places.
That day I last walked out of work was one of the best days of my life! I never look at men the same because I know how disgusting most of them are.

I had MPs, uni professors, bank managers, lawyers, judges, teachers, headmasters, child protection workers, policemen etc all visit. People who I always believed were good people. What a let down. TBH the ‘nicest’ and most respectful punters were usually builders funny enough.

Sorry for the long blurb. I just want all women to know that if your partner does visit these places, it is zero reflection on you or your looks or your sexiness. You are enough. It’s this fucking world we live in that is based on sexist and patriarchal values that allow men to believe they can always have more than they deserve if they pay for it.

And, finally, thanks for this, honest and real and appreciated.

WillYouPutYourCoatOn · 09/05/2024 07:58

Megifer · 09/05/2024 00:42

Got a wank at least. That's what you declared @Megifer. That's not even an accusation. That's you telling this poor woman whathashappened.
my opinion. Ah yea probably wrong. Who knows. Not accusatory towards you though, not saying anyone is vile.

He paid £100 for a wank. So if you believe me repeating back that I therefore declare you provide the same service (having an equally unfounded basis as you have of me/my colleagues doing so) is calling you a prostitute....then congratulations, it's exactly what you did.
no it isn't. I didn't call you a prostitute, but you called me one. And, again, i generally have no strong feelings, either way towards sex workers/strippers who do extras

What ever is the point pretending you didn't do this? It's there in black and white. Did I say you did it for £50 instead though? Yeah, that's the thing to be offended by.
I'm very happy for you to have the same accusation for £100. And it is vile. To be very clear.
it is in black and white that I didn't call you a prostitute. To be clear, if this post goes poof due to you shoehorning in calling me a prostitute again, its not me whos reported it!

And after that, you actually have the audacity to trot outI've not once been derogatory towards strippers.
I haven't. Not once. Please say where i have. Bearing in mind i wouldnt think saying anyone working in a strip club who offers extras is derogatory. It seems you might do (with ref to dirty/clean etc) so maybe that's you assuming everyone thinks the same?

I think I was pretty clear in my post that you hadn't reported anything. I mentioned that specifically.
so when you said "In fairness, most of what I quoted was from @Megifer and she was not the one who had such double standards to apply those terms to other women, but wail for deletion you didn't mean i wailed for deletion?*

This, is what really baffles me:

I haven't made vile accusations about other women. Unless you're classing me saying extras are offered in some clubs as saying the women are vile?

Just to clarify. You're saying in the place(s) I/my colleagues work, I/my colleagues offer sex acts for money.
some places. I have no idea if you or your (ex?) colleagues have worked in any that do. It doesn't seem it tbf

That's a prostitute you're thinking of there. Try telling some of the women in your office that you've decided they sell sex acts.
why would i? We dont work in an industry that has businesses that do allow sex acts? Im not insulting anyone here! Ive said before i have views on this that arent relevant to this thread, but i genuinely have no ill thoughts or feelings towards the ladies

See if they find it a vile accusation or not. Because according to you, it's fine because you're not calling them vile, just prostitutes. Seriously, try it at work, see how it goes. Well of course you won't because only an idiot would claim they couldn't see how outrageously inappropriate and offensive it is. You wouldn't dare, you know that perfectly well.
context is key. We all make statements on here we wouldn't IRL. Tbf, I wouldn't say how I feel about prostitution IRL because I find people are really against it (and pretty misogynistic about it) and disagree with my fence sitting views. To be clear, it's the men I have the main issue with

Card fees - there must have been something else in the law before 2018. Because the big club scrapped them well before that. More like 2012-14 I think. Fees ranged from 5% to 20% if they paid by card. Second to last place I worked, 15 mins was £100 in cash £120 by card.
nothing major tbf, just that in 2012 there was a cap on surcharges that couldn't be more than the fee set by the merchant so the 2% etc. The 20% one must be before 2012.....£100 for 15 mins then and its the same price now well over 12 years later? At least inflation hasn't hit strip clubs!

everyone else I'm so sorry for my part in this going on but I just really wanted to clear some of the confusion up and hope now I've clarified things and this poster has too, it's indeed been cleared up ☺️

I mean you can say "the places you work and the people within them sell sex acts for money, you get a wank, fact" and try and pretend you haven't called anyone a prostitute as much as you like. You can pretend it's not a vile accusation either. Doesn't change that it is.

Do you think it now makes it better so say "oh, I wasn't talking about you though, just the other women like you". You got your own words repeated right back atcha. You didn't like that.

Like I said. Happy to behave that way. Appalled when you hear your own words applied to you.

To say, "I didn't call anyone a prostitute, just that they offered sex acts for money" is just ridiculous.

WillYouPutYourCoatOn · 09/05/2024 08:27

Oh and yes about the inflation thing. I mean it didn't wind me up that much because £500 per hour is hardly bad. But it was that when I started. And that when I finished.

Single dances were £20 or £40 for 3 minutes, and probably still are.

@Aussiegirl123456 sorry to hear you didn't enjoy dancing. I do think it makes a difference that you were very young. None of the young dancers really made any money (I know you'll refute this) and I do remember the younger ones generally being quite pissed off and leaving on average with £100 or so a night. Because they didn't have the life experience or maturity to let comments bounce off them, and not affect them. Nor the life experience to know what to say to play the game well. And it is a game.

I definitely would hear "not you, I want a blonde"..."you need a good meal"..."too tall" etc etc. Difference is, I didn't stand there "oh god, I'm being so objectified". I just went (internally) ok, thanks for letting me know very quickly so I don't waste my time, I'll send over someone else, which gets that dancer off the floor, excellent, and move quickly on to the next person.

I'm really surprised you only worked with vulnerable women. I mean, yes they're there in all walks of life. But they're bloody useless strippers and never last long because they don't earn much either. Definitely a large turnover of women would turn up for a first shift, think they'd walk out with massive money for being naked, not have it in them to make proper money, and leave fairly quickly, dejected and hating the place. All of the downsides but none of the huge remuneration would be shit indeed.

It's a real skill. And if you don't have that, absolutely you'd be better off working at Asda.

Megifer · 09/05/2024 08:37

WillYouPutYourCoatOn · 09/05/2024 07:58

I mean you can say "the places you work and the people within them sell sex acts for money, you get a wank, fact" and try and pretend you haven't called anyone a prostitute as much as you like. You can pretend it's not a vile accusation either. Doesn't change that it is.

Do you think it now makes it better so say "oh, I wasn't talking about you though, just the other women like you". You got your own words repeated right back atcha. You didn't like that.

Like I said. Happy to behave that way. Appalled when you hear your own words applied to you.

To say, "I didn't call anyone a prostitute, just that they offered sex acts for money" is just ridiculous.

I'm not pretending I haven't called anyone a prostitute. I haven't called anyone on this theead a prostitute, indeed, i have acknowledged several times that you obviously worked in clubs that didnt allow it. I'm correcting you when you say you called me a prostitute because i was vile and accusatory to you and called you a prostitute. When i clearly didn't. I wasn't personal. You attempted to be.

What didn't I like? I cracked a joke about it? 😂 I'm not a fan of you making stuff up that I've said yes, but I didn't care about the prostitute remark.

So no, my own words haven't been applied to me, because I haven't said those words.

And agree with your last statement. Good job I never said that.

Once again everyone, mnhq, op, im sorry about this. I was happy to let it all drop but this poster continued to reference me so yea, I bit. So shoot me. I'll continue to challenge and correct untruths this poster writes about me so the thread either needs to be deleted, or me and this other poster banned from posting on it tbh. Or line drawn under it, I'm happy with that, i was doing that that, but stop referencing what I've said in unrelated replies to carry it on, or it'll just go on until it gets to 1000 posts and piss everyone off.

PriscillaPresssley · 09/05/2024 08:44

Ffs

Op I can understand if you don't feel like posting, but if you are reading, I hope you've found some clarity on the way forward, whatever that is.

CherryPickle · 09/05/2024 09:11

WillYouPutYourCoatOn · 09/05/2024 08:27

Oh and yes about the inflation thing. I mean it didn't wind me up that much because £500 per hour is hardly bad. But it was that when I started. And that when I finished.

Single dances were £20 or £40 for 3 minutes, and probably still are.

@Aussiegirl123456 sorry to hear you didn't enjoy dancing. I do think it makes a difference that you were very young. None of the young dancers really made any money (I know you'll refute this) and I do remember the younger ones generally being quite pissed off and leaving on average with £100 or so a night. Because they didn't have the life experience or maturity to let comments bounce off them, and not affect them. Nor the life experience to know what to say to play the game well. And it is a game.

I definitely would hear "not you, I want a blonde"..."you need a good meal"..."too tall" etc etc. Difference is, I didn't stand there "oh god, I'm being so objectified". I just went (internally) ok, thanks for letting me know very quickly so I don't waste my time, I'll send over someone else, which gets that dancer off the floor, excellent, and move quickly on to the next person.

I'm really surprised you only worked with vulnerable women. I mean, yes they're there in all walks of life. But they're bloody useless strippers and never last long because they don't earn much either. Definitely a large turnover of women would turn up for a first shift, think they'd walk out with massive money for being naked, not have it in them to make proper money, and leave fairly quickly, dejected and hating the place. All of the downsides but none of the huge remuneration would be shit indeed.

It's a real skill. And if you don't have that, absolutely you'd be better off working at Asda.

So you and your experiences/that of your friends are the only right ones? Gotcha.

Read back over your comment here. You are doing everything you can to try and appear reasonable while at the same time trying to pull apart someone else’s experience because their opinion is different to yours, or patronising her because her view differs. At the same time you have spent the entire thread telling women who aren’t strippers to listen to strippers, as if somehow you can operate without bias. Here we have someone else who was a stripper who doesn’t agree with you. See how that works?

I’m done. You have repeatedly hijacked this thread to use it as a platform to push your own personal narrative. And the sheer length of your comments make its abundantly clear the person you are really trying to convince is yourself.

I am unsure whether to feel bad for you or feel bad that what you’re saying is feeding into the narrative that makes it harder for other women. Maybe both.

Reply as much as you like, I won’t be returning to this thread.

PriscillaPresssley · 09/05/2024 09:14

Ponds lady said that too, she's been back at least 3 times now🤣

ReadyforthechorusLTB · 09/05/2024 09:55

PriscillaPresssley · 09/05/2024 08:44

Ffs

Op I can understand if you don't feel like posting, but if you are reading, I hope you've found some clarity on the way forward, whatever that is.

Thank you.

I am still reading. It's just a lot to follow and a lot of it isn't really relevant to my situation so I'm trying to skim some of that.

Although the breakdown of costs was helpful as I said.

I'm not going to chase the card fees if that's what they are, I'm not really bothered about those and the embarrassment of calling for that isn't worth it but thanks for pointing that out as I suppose for some people that money would make a difference.

I've spent a few hundred pounds myself yesterday in John Lewis to make myself feel better but it didn't really work!
I have a savings from inheritance which is for a house deposit so its not that we can't afford it. It's obvious just extremely inappropriate spending in his situation.

We are trying to muddle through. He has been very apologetic, he is extremely ashamed of himself and he said before I even found out he was absolutely disgusted with what he had done. He said he will see a therapist to understand his self destructive behaviour.

I've tried to move past it but it's obviously not going to be easy. He has closed his personal account and will only use our joint account so I can see what he spends in future.
He said he will never go out again but obviously that isn't realistic and I don't want to be that person to be honest.

I've detailed the reality that I would get that house and the kids, he'd probably get to live in a grotty flat and see them once a week due to his long working hours.
He has been crying that me and the kids are the only things in his life and all he has ever wanted. He said he wished he had died that night so I didn't know what a disgusting person he is. He does seem sorry.

I know this won't go down well on here but we have just been parenting and not giving each other any attention, I honestly think he just needed some attention and an ego boast.

He has stood by me through my horrendous mental health in the past that took me to a very bad place and I was a horrible person to live with and a very traumatic family bereavement.

I do feel like I need to give him a chance to prove to me I can trust him, he made a massive mistake but if he knows if he ever crosses the line I'm done.

And I do understand the LTB comments, I would have thought the same but when it actually happens to you and is your real life, it is not quite as simple as that.

Thanks for everyone taking there time to support me through this difficult time x

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