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How did this nice thing become a negative?

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OneThreadOnly · 05/05/2024 09:38

I am really struggling to see my partner’s perspective on something and I honestly don’t think anyone else would see this the way he does either but maybe I am wrong so here goes;

DP and I had plans that yesterday I would meet him at his when he finished work, a really long shift, I would cook dinner and we would get a couple of hours together.

On Friday we had a row. It’s an issue that keeps raising its head and I have truly had enough. I went home and I said - untill you can acknowledge that X is an issue and promise to do something about it, you won’t be seeing me.

Saturday comes and we exchange a few cordial emails (he was really worried about a work thing so even though I am mad, I still want to be supportive. I helped him draft an email and we spoke on the phone briefly.

During the course of the day I cooked the meal that we had planned to eat together and dropped some round for him so he had a nice meal after a long shift and an extra portion for today because he is working again. I left it in his kitchen while he was at work and went home.

I thought I was being nice, because even though we are in conflict over this issue, I still care about him, I know he is having a shit time at work and I wanted to make his life just that little bit easier.

So he had absolutely kicked off that I am a nasty bitch having a dig and I must be so smug sat at home knowing I have left his pathetic meal for one in his kitchen. That he is really low and I should be there for him.

I am 100% not backing down on the original issue. I know that it is a deal breaker and unless he changes it, we will break up over it. However I have tried to discuss it many times and it always ends up with me backing down. This time I am standing my ground. Yes I get that it is a difficult time for him with work stuff but I have dropped it before because of his tough work stuff and we just end up back at square one.

so just as a sanity check, does anyone else see the meal as a malicious bitchy thing to do? I thought I was being considerate but could it come across as rubbing it in?

OP posts:
determinedtomakethiswork · 05/05/2024 11:13

He's taking the dinner you cooked because you care for him and using it to beat you into submission

If you hadn't cooked for him he would be using that too.

You can't win with him as he's not a good person.

OneThreadOnly · 05/05/2024 11:15

EducatingArti · 05/05/2024 11:07

I am wondering if it would be helpful to reframe your "ultimation" as a boundary.

So you say ( to yourself and him) "I am not willing to be in a relationship where my partner is/does ..." rather than "Unless you change ... then I will end the relationship".

You cannot make/force/cajole him into changing, you can only state where your boundary is and leave it to him.

It also sounds however that he has more controlling behaviours than just this one issue and that he is actually unable/unwilling to see/acknowledge that he is being controlling . I would think carefully whether you believe it is actually possible to be in a reasonably healthy relationship with this person.

I’ve tried that, the boundaries chat. I have literally tried everything which is why O feel this time O have to put my foot down and be willing to walk away.

OP posts:
pictoosh · 05/05/2024 11:19

You're explaining yourself over perfume.
You have fallen right into his trap.
Climb out now.

Daleksatemyshed · 05/05/2024 11:20

You keep watering down the message Op, so he's not hearing you, he's waiting until you get over it and life goes on as normal. With the emails and the calls he thought you'd swept the row under the carpet again, he expected you and dinner to be waiting.
You say you are partners, that without this issue you'd be happy but this is part of him, it's not going away. He won't get help Op, it's not a problem for him, only for you. Already you are changing yourself for him, already your job is threatened. How much longer will you let this go on?

category12 · 05/05/2024 11:23

You're done lots of work on yourself.

You've identified that this man is just the same as your abusive ex (apart from not physical yet).

You know that the controlling behaviours are a straight LTB.

Are you going to act on your knowledge?

takemeawayagain · 05/05/2024 11:23

I think you need to stop thinking of this as 'he's a little bit insecure and if I can prove my love to him then he will stop being insecure' and start thinking of it as 'he is jealous and controlling, and nothing I do will ever be right/enough for him'.

Did you always stay too long in your other relationships trying desperately to fix them? If so don't do it again here OP, this isn't a good person - the jealousy and controlling behaviour will only get worse. You made him a meal and he's trying to make you feel bad even about that. He will use anything against you to get you to submit.

PineappleTime · 05/05/2024 11:23

OneThreadOnly · 05/05/2024 10:54

Yes I have experienced very bad relationships, my childhood was awful with sexual abuse. My first husband battered me starting on pregnancy, I have another ex that I had to get a restraining order against.

I’ve read the books, I have done the therapy. I honestly thought this guy was different but he is getting worse and worse.

I realised last night that he is exactly like my first husband (minus the physical abuse) but commenting on my clothes, constant accusations, causing problems around work.

I'm so glad you are starting to recognise that he is also abusive. So as you know this and you've done all the work you also know you can't change him, don't you. He's not going to suddenly turn into the man you wish he was.

GreyCarpet · 05/05/2024 11:24

So you say ( to yourself and him) "I am not willing to be in a relationship where my partner is/does ..." rather than "Unless you change ... then I will end the relationship"

That's not how boundaries work.

Boundaries are what you apply to yourself and your own expectations not something you impose on others.

She has already explained to him what she needs him to do. He hasnt don't it. It's an issue that keeps arising

He keeps crossing the same boundary and she is letting him do so by staying in the relationship. If she doesn't want to be with someone who behaves like that, she needs to leave him and find someone who doesn't behave like that.

Vastlyoverrated · 05/05/2024 11:26

So- he coercively controlled you all week, then you cooked him a dinner and took it round.

This is not 'one' problem in an otherwise nice relationship, it's infected every single day of your life.

I'm sorry OP. I think you know the truth but are hoping it is different.

Doingmybest12 · 05/05/2024 11:26

You've got a lot to give in a loving , respectful rationship OP. Don't waste your time on this man. You've got a lot going for you, your home, your job, your friends . You are in danger of losing all of this, put yourself first.

PineappleTime · 05/05/2024 11:29

OneThreadOnly · 05/05/2024 11:00

That is EXACTLY what I was trying to do, prove to him that I love him and care about him and even though we aren’t agreeing right now that doesn’t stop, I am not just giving up and walking away.

I thought it would be reassuring and allow him the space to admit his insecurities are a problem without fear that I will just run away if he does. that I am here for him and he can work on it without losing me.

clearly I live in cloud la la land with the fairies and cute bunnies because it backfired spectacularly

His 'insecurities' are absolutely NOT a problem for him. They serve a very useful purpose. They keep you off balance, trying to make him happy and under his control. Why would he change?

pictoosh · 05/05/2024 11:29

PineappleTime · 05/05/2024 11:29

His 'insecurities' are absolutely NOT a problem for him. They serve a very useful purpose. They keep you off balance, trying to make him happy and under his control. Why would he change?

Ultimately this.

OneThreadOnly · 05/05/2024 11:30

This is why I didn’t post the main issue originally, because I know all of this. I know he’s not going to change, I know I am letting him treat me this way.

I am just scared that maybe the problem is my mood swings and I will lose him when it’s really my fault.

I KNOW that’s not the case but then like this thread proved - I thought the only way taking that dinner round could be seen was a kind thing, and so many posters saw it differently. What if I am seeing this wrong.

OP posts:
pictoosh · 05/05/2024 11:31

You're not.

category12 · 05/05/2024 11:32

OneThreadOnly · 05/05/2024 11:30

This is why I didn’t post the main issue originally, because I know all of this. I know he’s not going to change, I know I am letting him treat me this way.

I am just scared that maybe the problem is my mood swings and I will lose him when it’s really my fault.

I KNOW that’s not the case but then like this thread proved - I thought the only way taking that dinner round could be seen was a kind thing, and so many posters saw it differently. What if I am seeing this wrong.

So does he not question what you're wearing and make you show him your work conversations?

You're making that up as part of a mood swing, are you?

Come on now.

OneThreadOnly · 05/05/2024 11:32

I keep going to the toilet to check if my period has come and if I am making a mountain out of a molehill because of my hormones but my period isn’t even due for over a week and I really don’t think his behavior would be acceptable regardless the time of the month.

But is it only a deal breaker because I am hormonal!

OP posts:
pictoosh · 05/05/2024 11:33

No.

You are showing him bottles of perfume to pacify him over how many squirts you have used. That's not hormonal.

EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 05/05/2024 11:35

Whatever good points you feel he may have he's also abusive and controlling and you deserve so much better. You're tying yourself in knots and desperately trying to make everything ok and you can't fix this. He is who he is and if he was capable of changing he would have done so by now.

Even if you could force him into seeking help with an ultimatum it wouldn't work. You can't force someone to change, they need to want to and even then and even with professional help its unbelievably hard. No matter how small you make yourself you'll never be small enough for him to feel secure. You can't fix this, you can't even stay with him without damaging and maybe eventually destroying yourself.

chilling19 · 05/05/2024 11:37

You sound lovely OP.

Please, do yourself a favour and get rid. You deserve so much better. Take it from someone who has been there, done that. I ended up not knowing which way was up, thinking I was a horrible person and trying endlessly to please someone who manipulated the hell out of me.

The day I walked away (15 years later) I felt all of the stress fall away. It was wonderful.

Good luck ❤️

Doingmybest12 · 05/05/2024 11:37

Regardless of where you are in your cycle his behaviour is not ok. How you feel, what you ll put up with might shift a bit with your cycle but his actions are abusive all the time. It's not you, it's him. What ever your motivations in trying to make things better, it's not working and you need to decide to rip off the plaster and get it over with.

AGlinnerOfHope · 05/05/2024 11:40

Bless you. You are still trying to placate a man who thinks he owns you.

You are a loving person. Can I suggest you find another outlet for that love? Voluntary work, pets, neighbours.

When I went to uni I got fish and plants because I need someone to look after.

You need to look after you. Stop looking after men who don’t deserve it and see it as a sign of weakness. 💐

nfkl · 05/05/2024 11:41

OneThreadOnly · 05/05/2024 11:11

The conversations we have had this week -

You are wearing smaller clothes for work. - Yes it’s spring, these are my spring clothes, I haven’t bought anything new, I just wear different outfits depending on the seasons.

You are wearing more make up - I wear the same amount of make up every day. Occasionally I will add eye shadow or eyeliner if I am up earlier or if there is a big meeting. This has happened twice this year. When we met I wore a full face of make up every day.

You are wearing more perfume - I wear two squirts of perfume every day. I usually alternate between two but I came across one I had misplaced and I wore that for a change. I had to show the half empty bottle to prove I hadn’t bought a new perfume.

You wore your hen do pants for work. - no I have a pair of white work pants and a pair of white leather pants that I wore for a hen do. I had to show him both pairs.

You wore a new vest top for work - no I have had this top longer than I have known you, I wear it in spring with a cardigan. - I had to show him the label, the top is a 12, I am now a 6-8 so that proves it is an old top.

You didn’t speak to your previous colleague (female) this much - yes because when she left I was promoted as you know and that’s why I have to work with her replacement much more. Because the tasks that she did are now done between us jointly. (She was three levels senior to me, I was promoted one level and new colleague has come in one level below her so we are much closer in term of workload)

OP, it s not a LTB, it s a run you need to do, as quickly as possible, not an amicable breakup, not a conscious uncoupling, a run.
Don t be nice, try to accommodate, be amicable no more.
He s not a nice guy with a default, a project, or a human entitled to human decency or kindness or closure (or whatever bullshit he will try to pull on you)
He s an abuser who will not stop until there is nothing left of you.
He has already started.
Run.

Mrsjayy · 05/05/2024 11:43

OneThreadOnly · 05/05/2024 11:11

The conversations we have had this week -

You are wearing smaller clothes for work. - Yes it’s spring, these are my spring clothes, I haven’t bought anything new, I just wear different outfits depending on the seasons.

You are wearing more make up - I wear the same amount of make up every day. Occasionally I will add eye shadow or eyeliner if I am up earlier or if there is a big meeting. This has happened twice this year. When we met I wore a full face of make up every day.

You are wearing more perfume - I wear two squirts of perfume every day. I usually alternate between two but I came across one I had misplaced and I wore that for a change. I had to show the half empty bottle to prove I hadn’t bought a new perfume.

You wore your hen do pants for work. - no I have a pair of white work pants and a pair of white leather pants that I wore for a hen do. I had to show him both pairs.

You wore a new vest top for work - no I have had this top longer than I have known you, I wear it in spring with a cardigan. - I had to show him the label, the top is a 12, I am now a 6-8 so that proves it is an old top.

You didn’t speak to your previous colleague (female) this much - yes because when she left I was promoted as you know and that’s why I have to work with her replacement much more. Because the tasks that she did are now done between us jointly. (She was three levels senior to me, I was promoted one level and new colleague has come in one level below her so we are much closer in term of workload)

You have to read this as not right you can't reason with this man he has no right to monitor your perfume and make up use, you sadly will never make this man happy I mean hes commenting on perfume, are you intending to live with him you mentioned hen do trousers are you getting married to him.

Mrsjayy · 05/05/2024 11:44

Ah for a hen do I misread sorry.

InBedBy10 · 05/05/2024 11:46

You know you need to end it with this man, you just don't want to believe it.

You can't fix him or change him.

Please leave.