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Realising that my nagging made him fall out of love with me but did I have much choice?

171 replies

Fedupofchicken · 30/04/2024 23:08

I was a nag. No doubt about it.
I was also a stressed out mother with two allergy children, a career to maintain and zero family support, so I needed his support and input in running our home and in family life. He didn't freely give it. So I nagged and nagged and nagged.

Until he got fed up of me and treated me with apathy until he eventually left me.

At the weekend, I went out with 3 of my friends, all married, all with children around the same age. I asked them if they have been nags too. It turns out they haven't but I already knew that, because I could see that their relationship dynamics were so much different to mine.

However, one of the stark differences is that none of them worked when they had preschoolers at home with them. It made me reflect that perhaps they didn't need to nag because home was their arena, whilst going to work was their husbands. I never had that opportunity as I needed to work too so that we could pay the mortgage, so I needed him to contribute to domestic life also. He was reluctant, but being the feminist that I am, I refused to let him get away with it. So I nagged every day for him to contribute and for him to see me and my heavy contributions which were burning me out.

I know he had a role to play in all of this too. He could have done more, been more readily helpful, thought for himself more. But one of my friend's husbands is a little oblivious when it comes to all things domestic; she just made the home her focus and work became his. He however doesn't have any time consuming hobbies and the one hobby he does have involves the children also which I think has helped a lot as my ex always felt entitled to his hobbies when I needed more support at weekends. She told me that he picks up on her stresses and tends to pick up more of the load at times, but I also know that my ex has always done much more domestically than her husband has ever done. Mainly because I nagged.

My own dad was pretty useless but my mum never nagged him, she just accepted that things didn't get done, as a result we lived in a very run down, filthy home as both parents also worked full time.

I just feel like women can't win no matter what route we take. I'm sure that for the greater harmony of the home, it's better for women not to work and to take care of all things domestic when children are preschoolers but I think that makes us so vulnerable financially.

One of my friends never nags her husband but is constantly burning out as she's a teacher with young children and he is absolutely useless as a parent. She's always poorly, always stressed and has no support from her husband at all domestically. Yet he still takes her out for romantic meals and treats her to special gifts and declares his love for her regular via text and also on social media. So she accepts it.

I'm embarrassed by my nagging overall. But I don't think I could have coped being made a doormat, even with romantic dinners and gushy texts.

I don't know what the answer is for women in these situations. One of my friends relies heavily on her parents to pick up her husband's slack. They look after her child so that she can work full time AND do everything in the home at weekends. But it seems wrong to put so much responsibility on elderly parents just so some men can go to the pub or on cycling weekends.

My neighbour has a fantastic, hands on husband who supports her in every way, but from what I have observed they seem to be few and far between.

If I could go back in time, I'd have picked a better man, or perhaps I'd pick the same one and not nagged. But then I wonder what might have become of me if I hadn't have nagged. I just look at some of my friends in their marriages, not struggling as single parents and I wish things were different.

OP posts:
Leah5678 · 01/05/2024 11:23

Interesting how these lazy dusty dudes are all "old fashioned" when it comes to the wife cooking and cleaning but conveniently "modern" when it comes to the wife working.
I know many such cases.

Lovemusic82 · 01/05/2024 11:33

I nagged my ex, he nagged me a lot too. Eventually I was the one that left him but now I see that it was the relationship that caused the nagging, we were not meant to be together which is why we treated each other badly, why we nagged and argued so much. He was a perfectionist, slight OCD when it came to house work and keeping the house clean/tidy, I never did it to his standards, our standards were different and our priorities were different (my priority was always the dc). It wasn’t your fault he left, you just weren’t compatible and your dh had different priorities, he wasn’t supporting you enough with parenting, you are better off without him.

Ahwig · 01/05/2024 11:38

While we were on honeymoon I saw a kitchen magnet with the words " women don't nag, they remind. If their husbands did as they had asked the first time , they wouldn't need to remind them again. Obviously I bought the magnet and have used the words " I'm just reminding you " . I also used the phrase at work ( a lot) so much so that my staff men and women used to say " yeah yeah, I know you're just reminding me, I'm doing it I'm doing it".

popandchoc · 01/05/2024 11:40

That is pretty much one of the reasons my ex left and the reason i 'nagged' was because he didn't do anything. I have been a single parent for the last 9 years and has been so much easier without having a dead weight around.

You have done nothing wrong and there was obviously a reason you felt you had to nag.

SheSellsSea · 01/05/2024 11:48

I understand your feeling OP. Life is hard as a single parent.

Strictlymad · 01/05/2024 11:53

What do you mean by nagging, do you mean asking him to do x task while you do y? Or laying into him the second he gets on the door? Yes he should’ve pulled his weight but depending on how you went about it may have impacted how he reacted. Ime my dh is more than happy to pull his weight- he’s just utterly oblivious to what needs doing unless I ask/ make a list etc, if I have a rant at him it’s not nice for anyone. He asks when he gets home every night what is there to do and which would I like him to do. He works ft, I work pt, it’s my job to ‘organise’ the house jobs and he does the ones I ask. Expecting some men to just know what needs doing is often when the issues occur

UPALLNIGHTMNETTING · 01/05/2024 11:53

This is s great thread, you are all correct about the use of the word "nag" - I hadn't even thought about it this way before!!

OP you are correct in that there seems to be no perfect solution. So many threads on here atm where families are falling out / splitting up / women are crying in carparks / very little children are being neglected or crying all day at a nursery they hate, all because there's too much to do all the time. Personally I think there's a lot to be said for one parent being SAH or working part time if that's not possible, or single parents getting more support.

littlekittyhoward · 01/05/2024 11:55

Maybe off topic but I call my husband a nag all the time and accuse him of nagging, because he does! I’ve never thought of it as a particularly gendered word. Maybe that’s just my household - my husband definitely nags more than I do!

dragonscannotswim · 01/05/2024 11:56

If he had pulled his weight, you wouldn't have needed to remind him.

I don't like the word 'nagging'. It's misogynistic - used by men to refer exclusively to women reminding them of the things they need to do but can't be arsed to.

Scribblydoo · 01/05/2024 11:57

Your frustration with your partner was totally justified. It's gaslighting to suggest if you hadn't 'nagged' he would have stopped taking advantage of you. Here's a good article:

https://zawn.substack.com/p/youre-so-resentful-how-abusive-partners

'You're so resentful!' How abusive partners weaponize women's dissatisfaction

Resentment is the natural, normal reaction to oppression.

https://zawn.substack.com/p/youre-so-resentful-how-abusive-partners

HeraSyndulla · 01/05/2024 11:59

Runnerinthenight · 01/05/2024 00:28

There's sadly a fuckton of them out there!

Internalised misandry.

PinkyFlamingo · 01/05/2024 12:15

He's done a right number in you sadly if you think you were "nagging" which is a horrible word used to stop women having an equal say in the relationship

DrJonesIpresume · 01/05/2024 12:44

middledagedjobseeker · 30/04/2024 23:13

By 'nagging' do you mean expecting another adult to pull their weight around the house and with childcare?

If so, you're using the wrong word. It's a reasonable expectation to have of your partner and your children's other parent

This.

Please stop even thinking of the word 'nagging' because that's not what you were doing. You were trying to get the lazy bastard to pull his weight like a normal adult is supposed to do in a loving relationship.

InBedBy10 · 01/05/2024 13:24

I was like this with my ex. He was lazy and selfish and would happily do nothing around the house or with the kids if he could get away with it. Like you, I refused to be a mug and demanded he help. But it was a daily grind getting him to pull his weight, and I finally had enough and got rid of him (after years).

I realised one day I was a stressed out nagging bitch. All because this grown man refused to act like one. I didn't like the person I was with him. I'm so much happier and chilled out with him gone. Your ex did you a favour by leaving.

Comtesse · 01/05/2024 13:35

Don’t you dare take the blame for the relationship breakdown. Why are YOU at fault for him not pulling his weight?

BestZebbie · 01/05/2024 13:38

When a man complains that his wife nags him, he is literally just embarrassing himself - "nag" jut means "I didn't pull my weight and my wife had to ask me repeatedly to look after myself and take responsibility for our home and I just ignored her".
It's not you, it's him.

Genevieva · 01/05/2024 13:39

It funny how gendered the word nagging is. Men don’t get accused of nagging when they ask their wives for support.

Grumm · 01/05/2024 13:42

I think there is research that has found the happiest marriages are those in which there is a clear division of roles. It’s obviously easier in many ways for the relationship if one person is at home and the other works, because you know exactly what to expect. The couples I know with the least conflict are like this, sometimes with the woman working AND doing everything domestically, but happy to do it or not questioning it. Clearly though there are huge downsides to this!

The way I’ve solved this problem in my marriage is by having defined roles that are completely separate. We both work. I do shopping, he does laundry. I cook on Monday, he cooks on Tuesday etc. It’s a shame that it has to be that rigid but this system has ended about 15 years of conflict. Obviously only works if your partner accepts responsibility for domestic stuff.

loobylou10 · 01/05/2024 13:47

What's with all the 'nagging' rubbish. Stop it! It's called pulling his weight and running a household together

Playinwithfire · 01/05/2024 13:54

Just another excuse to pass the buck!! This is what happens when the partner refuses to acknowledge that they are in fact being the unreasonable arsehole!!!

No you are not an nag, you communicate your thoughts, feelings and lack of support and your ex DOES NOT LISTEN! He is the lazy fuck wit who needed an excuse to leave and therefore it was easier to blame you than himself because he is a selfish pig!

Your friends are possibly in relationships were their partners are listening.

Naunet · 01/05/2024 13:55

You expected your grown adult husband to act like a grown adult and be a functioning member of the household. He failed, simple as that. The man child not only wanted you to play mummy, but also not complain about it. You did nothing wrong OP, except using the word nag!

dottydodah · 01/05/2024 13:59

As others have said "Nagging" is a made up word, He doesnt want to do the grunt work ,and doesnt like it if you remind him to .Imagine you lived with a friend ,/Sister/ ,do you honestly think they would leave it all up to you? As far as being a housewife with someone like this ,did you dream of becoming a domestic slave as a child? NO! well that what you would have become .Be pleased hes left and look forwards ,maybe you can concentrate on your Career now ,without someone like this .Before anyone harps on about when women were HW My DGMs friend had to walk 3 paces behind her "husband" in case he was seen with a pram containing his own DC! This was in the 30s.Women had no choices then .They do now .Some men have always behaved like twats!

IhateSPSS · 01/05/2024 14:05

@Grumm I agree that the clear division of roles is needed. My DH was with a woman twice his age (he was 17, she was 35 when they got together). I can't stand the woman, she groomed him, but from what he's told me she authoritatively parented him when they cohabited, so as soon as they moved in together she sat 18 year old DH down, with her 17 year old son (I know, it's vile) and she said 'We do x, y and z in the house, what do each of you want to pick up?' DH picked up laundry and cooking and bins. He then lived alone for three years when they split up so learnt the stuff he missed, apart from cleaning bathrooms which he seems to forget exists. When he met me and we eventually moved in together he asked me what I wanted him to do and what I wanted to do and what we share, we have a very clear, pretty much 50/50 division of labour as a general household, I pick up most of the parenting stuff as I have DC's from a previous marriage and when I reach capacity with parenting and work DH steps in and takes some of my housework off me (mainly cooking as I stress about it).

We have never fallen out about money or housework as the parameters are so clear. In fact sometimes I can get a bit too relaxed in front of the TV in the evening and DH gets his 'busy' hat on and starts doing housework and I'll think 'Oh, actually I am being a bit lazy here, he's done loads' so I get up and take something on and complete it. Because I am not an arsehole and I know resentment is one of the apocalyptic feelings in a relationship so I actively try to head that off. I don't know how else people do it tbh. If you can't get someone to play fair on adult life, like the OP, then no wonder the marriage fails.

Needanewnamebeingwatched · 01/05/2024 14:08

The word nagging is such a derogatory term and usually used against women who ask their husband or partner to step up and make a joint effort to keep the house tidy or wash clothes or look after the children.

It's called parenting and being a partnership.

The sooner men realise this the better...

It's not babysitting and it's not fucking helping, it's being a bloody adult...

Epidote · 01/05/2024 14:12

He didn't fell out of love because you insisted in him doing his bit. He run away because he knew he wasn't getting his way (as lazy man child) with you.
You will feel lighter now, be constantly reminding a grow up what to do is draining and exhausting.
All the best.