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Realising that my nagging made him fall out of love with me but did I have much choice?

171 replies

Fedupofchicken · 30/04/2024 23:08

I was a nag. No doubt about it.
I was also a stressed out mother with two allergy children, a career to maintain and zero family support, so I needed his support and input in running our home and in family life. He didn't freely give it. So I nagged and nagged and nagged.

Until he got fed up of me and treated me with apathy until he eventually left me.

At the weekend, I went out with 3 of my friends, all married, all with children around the same age. I asked them if they have been nags too. It turns out they haven't but I already knew that, because I could see that their relationship dynamics were so much different to mine.

However, one of the stark differences is that none of them worked when they had preschoolers at home with them. It made me reflect that perhaps they didn't need to nag because home was their arena, whilst going to work was their husbands. I never had that opportunity as I needed to work too so that we could pay the mortgage, so I needed him to contribute to domestic life also. He was reluctant, but being the feminist that I am, I refused to let him get away with it. So I nagged every day for him to contribute and for him to see me and my heavy contributions which were burning me out.

I know he had a role to play in all of this too. He could have done more, been more readily helpful, thought for himself more. But one of my friend's husbands is a little oblivious when it comes to all things domestic; she just made the home her focus and work became his. He however doesn't have any time consuming hobbies and the one hobby he does have involves the children also which I think has helped a lot as my ex always felt entitled to his hobbies when I needed more support at weekends. She told me that he picks up on her stresses and tends to pick up more of the load at times, but I also know that my ex has always done much more domestically than her husband has ever done. Mainly because I nagged.

My own dad was pretty useless but my mum never nagged him, she just accepted that things didn't get done, as a result we lived in a very run down, filthy home as both parents also worked full time.

I just feel like women can't win no matter what route we take. I'm sure that for the greater harmony of the home, it's better for women not to work and to take care of all things domestic when children are preschoolers but I think that makes us so vulnerable financially.

One of my friends never nags her husband but is constantly burning out as she's a teacher with young children and he is absolutely useless as a parent. She's always poorly, always stressed and has no support from her husband at all domestically. Yet he still takes her out for romantic meals and treats her to special gifts and declares his love for her regular via text and also on social media. So she accepts it.

I'm embarrassed by my nagging overall. But I don't think I could have coped being made a doormat, even with romantic dinners and gushy texts.

I don't know what the answer is for women in these situations. One of my friends relies heavily on her parents to pick up her husband's slack. They look after her child so that she can work full time AND do everything in the home at weekends. But it seems wrong to put so much responsibility on elderly parents just so some men can go to the pub or on cycling weekends.

My neighbour has a fantastic, hands on husband who supports her in every way, but from what I have observed they seem to be few and far between.

If I could go back in time, I'd have picked a better man, or perhaps I'd pick the same one and not nagged. But then I wonder what might have become of me if I hadn't have nagged. I just look at some of my friends in their marriages, not struggling as single parents and I wish things were different.

OP posts:
Shodan · 01/05/2024 08:15

Resilience · 01/05/2024 08:00

Isn't it funny how so many men are willing to engage with equality when it means another adult contributing to the finances but less so when it means they have to contribute to the domestic sphere.

Hah. Yes. My first ex-husband was delighted that I worked three jobs, thus contributing equally to the coffers. It did NOT mean, however, that he would do any household chores (except the odd meal, which really was no big deal because he was a chef).

Rather than keep asking/reminding him (AKA 'nagging') I chose to divorce the fucker. He was extremely surprised at this, strangely 😁

CremeBruleeLove · 01/05/2024 08:20

Useless men who accuse women of nagging? Yep there's a few of them about. It's pure gaslighting op. You are better off without him.

PeachBlossom1234 · 01/05/2024 08:25

My ex husband was like that too, we didn’t have children it was just the two of us but he only did anything when I nagged him and that turned everything off for me. Eventually we split and let me tell you, my house has never run so well. Sometimes it’s just easier on your own! I now have 3 dogs and DD8 and our house is a well oiled machine! We have routines and systems and I’ve never been happier. I know if I was still married to him that it would be very different, and I’m not sorry.

Don’t beat yourself up, you’d likely have split eventually even without nagging - sometimes we just make the wrong decision on life partners.

SewingBees · 01/05/2024 08:28

Chirawehaha · 30/04/2024 23:17

I’ve never read the word ‘nag’ quite so many times. You really ought to stop using it. It’s a misogynistic term. ‘Nagging’ isn’t it a thing. You were asking him to pull his weight and do his share of domestic labour. You shouldn’t have had to ask him at all, but his refusal to adult meant you were forced to.

This is not on you. He’s the one who should be embarrassed.

This.

HeChokedOnAChorizo · 01/05/2024 08:30

They never change, he will put on a show for his new woman but will slip back into his old ways.

I was with ex for 20+ years, he was a lazy fucker. Would spend hours sorting the garden and washing the cars - funnily enough jobs where other people could see him doing them and compliment him on a job well done etc, taking 2 hours to wash the car was normal. But didnt do 2 hours cleaning in the house.

I have a spinal problem and when it came on 3 years ago i was in the worst pain in my life, vomiting and couldnt walk, sit, sleep, drive, do anything. The pain was horrendous and lasted months. Lazy fucker never stepped up once, i still had to do everything in the house and had to do my fair share of school runs even though walking made me throw up.

He is an ex now. good riddance.

Thisbastardcomputer · 01/05/2024 08:34

I've never nagged, my Mother did nothing but nag, it's grinding and people ignore it.

Get your point across and leave it there.

hobocock · 01/05/2024 08:39

Chirawehaha · 30/04/2024 23:17

I’ve never read the word ‘nag’ quite so many times. You really ought to stop using it. It’s a misogynistic term. ‘Nagging’ isn’t it a thing. You were asking him to pull his weight and do his share of domestic labour. You shouldn’t have had to ask him at all, but his refusal to adult meant you were forced to.

This is not on you. He’s the one who should be embarrassed.

Thank you! That was what I thought while reading the post and was going to post similar myself but you have already done it so no need to repeat what you said.
I found it difficult to get through the OP because the word "nag" sets my teeth on edge.
It's a term of abuse used to bash women who are simply asking their partner to behave in a reasonable manner and contribute fairly to household chores and childcare.
It's similar to how Karen is used to bash women who are standing up for themselves.

CliantheLang · 01/05/2024 08:40

Thisbastardcomputer · 01/05/2024 08:34

I've never nagged, my Mother did nothing but nag, it's grinding and people ignore it.

Get your point across and leave it there.

Get your point across and leave him.

FIFY

ineedtostopbeingdramaticfirst · 01/05/2024 08:41

I nagged and dh did help but his mental health suffered trying to juggle his very busy stressful job and home so I stopped nagging him then I had a breakdown as I was trying to juggle a stressful job, three kids (2 with Sen) and 2 elderly parents one being end of life.

Then dh had to do everything and worry about his suicidal wife. It took a couple of years for me to get better. We realised we had to make some changes. I stopped working when I was ill and having one of us do home and one do work was so much better for all of us .

I work part time and deal with home and kids. On a weekend we share everything including breaks.

Both parents working full time only works if you can afford to outsource the extras .- childcare, cleaner, gardener etc or if you have a fantastic support network

Strikestallulah · 01/05/2024 08:43

Quite honestly, I really don't see what else you could have done. Letting him get away with doing nothing would have caused such resentment it would have killed your marriage anyway... I was amazed when I left my ex husband ( 3 kids under 10 and a FT stressful job) how much LESS stressful it was having to do everything, because there was no resentment towards the other capable adult who refused to pull their weight ....

Beautiful3 · 01/05/2024 08:46

You wouldn't have nagged if he freely helped out, without needing to be asked. You nagged for a reason, for help he didn't ever freely offer. He should have always helped out because you both worked, the home and children were both your responsibilities. You did nothing wrong. You wouldn't nag a partner who was actively parenting, would you? Don't beat yourself up. He left because he was a lazy dad, and didn't want to be an active parent.

Peclet · 01/05/2024 08:49

I work PT dh FT we both wfh quite a bit.

DH gets up and does breakfast and makes packed lunches
I get ready and do hair for girls then put laundry on.
one of us will hang out and put laundry away. Both will walk the dog. I make dinner and clean kitchen. I will clean bathrooms and do hoovering. DH does garden and most maintenance. Shopping is turn about whoever has the time. We share it all. He does ironing. I do refills of soaps and plant watering. I do dusting, sofa sorting, clothing sorting out for sizes. I buy (joint finances) kids clothing. He does two sports with one child and I do another. He does music prep with one. He does bed changes. I do mirrors and glass polishing. I do drawer sorting out.

we share. We share it all. How could it be any other way? He’s not stupid and and he’s not a prick.

Marry and pro create with a man who can take care of himself.

Chocolateorange11 · 01/05/2024 08:51

OP, you didn't nag. You held (or tried to) the other grown up accountable for there share of the domestic labour. Maybe if you had done it all yourself, you would have split up anyway due to a deep burning resentment about how shit he was... maybe it would have made you feel like his Mother and the ick would have killed off the relationship...

If you flip your narrative a little to, I wish i'd communicated more successfully, without feeling negative about myself etc, then you can (if you want) move forward and in a more positive way. (I took a lot of learning forwards from where my first relationship went wrong, it was very healing in the end!)

Tadpole10 · 01/05/2024 08:53

The vast majority of the replies here have absolutely nailed it and are one of the reasons I love MN.

Tillievanilly · 01/05/2024 08:55

So you nagged because he didn’t listen when you asked. Your life sounded stressful. It should have been a team effort. Please don’t compare yourself to others.

blueandgreenandyellow · 01/05/2024 08:57

My ex boyfriend used to call me a nag when I asked him to explain why he cheated on me. I asked him repeatedly because he never answered and I felt if we didn't discuss it we couldn't move on. He also called me a shrew.
I wasn't the problem

GG1986 · 01/05/2024 08:57

I live with one that wants a fucking medal every time he does anything around the house!!

MorrisZapp · 01/05/2024 08:57

'nagging' is a concept best consigned to history, along with scolds bridles and wife auctions.

Men are just people. If they can hold down employment they can pop into Tescos and wipe down a bathroom. If they choose not to, it's up to you to accept that or not.

beAsensible1 · 01/05/2024 09:01

the only solution is to stop before it starts. Don’t be afraid to end a relationship or marriage. Don’t let the “biological clock” make you a beast of burden.

dont be afraid to be alone or to be childless as ultimately letting these desires consistently lead means many people often women let themselves stay with bottom barrel partners with lives ruled by drudgery

Joeylove88 · 01/05/2024 09:06

Im sick of the word 'nag' - no its not nagging its called not being a mug and actually expecting your partner to be an adult and work with you as a team not be another child for you to look after! So well done you for not being like your friends and being compliant. They may still be married but you stood up for you wanted and one day you will see thats its a blessing. Let him go and be someone elses child to look after!

OrlandointheWilderness · 01/05/2024 09:14

Why on earth would you put up with that?! My DP never, ever has to be asked to do ANYTHING around the house, because he is as responsible as me for it all and we work together. We don't have split jobs (apart from mowing the lawn - It would not look good if I did it!!), we both just sort it between us. We do our own washing. If one of us is ironing we will ask the other if there is anything that they need doing, but it isn't expected.
Bonkers to live with someone who can't look after their house.

CelesteCunningham · 01/05/2024 09:15

You didn't nag, you gave him ample opportunity to pull his weight and save his marriage, and he chose not to.

Uol2022 · 01/05/2024 09:15

I started saying "your expectations of me are far too high." He would argue that he hadn't insisted that I do anything

Oh my goodness this argument infuriates me! If you expect to have a clean home and you are not putting in effort to make that happen then yes you are implicitly insisting that someone else does it. If you have children and don’t plan for their care you absolutely are insisting that someone else does all of that. Communication is more than just what’s said. These men manage to hold down decent jobs and then pretend to be incapable of basic reasoning when it comes to family life.

I’m sorry he wasn’t a good partner. It’s heartbreaking, after you’ve hoped for so long that they will show you the love and respect you deserve, to finally accept that they will never step up. You are right that women respond in different ways to useless men. Compliance results in greater harmony for a while but often comes with a high personal cost.

CandidaAlbicans2 · 01/05/2024 09:33

I was going to say that to minimise the risk of years of frustration it's beneficial if women lay out their stall and explain very clearly what they expect from their partners before even cohabiting, and even more so before marriage and children. And only choose a man who has lived independently so is used to doing housework and all those boring jobs like arranging insurance (and does those jobs well). I'll add that we shouldn't have to though!

However, I've read posts on here from women saying they did that yet the man still behaved like a lazy man child once children came along. So that approach isn't even guaranteed to solve the issue 😟

What it needs is for the cycle to be broken; women stop having children with useless men so that children aren't raised in families where they see Mum doing everything and lazy men getting away with it. Remove lazy men from the gene pool. Easier said that done though I realise.

k1233 · 01/05/2024 09:35

Women can and do nag though, and it's highly irritating. My mother does it and it pisses me off no end. Yes, something may need doing, but yours is not the only timeframe in which to do it.

That aside, I don't tolerate partners not pulling their weight inside the house. I utterly despise housework and if I have to be miserable doing it, so do they. My advice is start as you mean to continue. Best way I've personally done it was we had two lists of chores (we agreed the split) and swapped weekly. It was amazing not to have to shop, cook and do dishes for a week. No one could say the split wasn't even as the lists rotated.

If they are not pulling their weight pre kids, rethink having kids as they're not going to suddenly start.

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