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Would you date someone (male) from the MET police?

229 replies

Givemeonegoodreason · 23/04/2024 21:51

Interested to know, would it be a non starter? I'm female and happy (lucky) to be single but might change it one day!

OP posts:
mpsw · 25/04/2024 21:29

Waitingfordoggo · 25/04/2024 21:14

I don’t know what you mean @mpsw but thank you anyway!

In-joke for the difference in culture between the services!

More seriously, the different services tend to have some differences because of the different ways they deploy - both in training/routine duties (away in a ship or submarine for months as normal pattern; usually at one location but sometimes bugger off for a long exercise; or perhaps be pampered with fluffy towels....)

But the biggest difference isn't between the services. It's between military and civilian.

The blue light services (and including trauma care medics) are arguably the nearest, and do have an element of putting themselves in harm's way and going that extra mile for others. But even though they can work long hours and need to stay beyond their hours, and sometimes have leave cancelled; they are generally in one place and not away for weeks at a time, and never mobilise to project force elsewhere. And if they do go to assist with disaster relief overseas, it's a volunteer, rather than being sent on 48 hours notice.

Edited to add:

The Navy sail the world, with thousand yard stares, and at at-oneness with the sea and the stars above it, which seafarers used, in days of yore, to navigate (the Navy is the Senior Service)

The Army are strange insanitary beasts, who can fight and sleep anywhere, including out in the field under stars (ka pongos, because where the army goes, the pong goes too)

The RAF stay in 4 star hotels and expect to be home in time for tea and medals. (Either that, or they're a bunch of garage mechanics).

VenetiaHallisWellPosh · 25/04/2024 21:51

I would discriminate, yes. I have had to deal with the British Transport Police over the years of working for TfL and in 22 years I've got on with only two or three. The rest were arrogant, uncaring and prejudiced.

I hate giving statements to Old Bill after something has happened. And I am never in a room with a copper on my own. Nope.

Lilydolly1981 · 25/04/2024 22:44

Resilience · 24/04/2024 07:57

Stereotypes and prejudices persist because there a lot of people within any given group who conform to the stereotype. It's still prejudice though.

I'm ex police. I had rank so supervised a lot of officers. Young-in-service officers in frontline were actually among the most enlightened you'll find in society. Many of these male officers were doing school runs/child care/dentist visits etc far more than your average father. Partly because shifts enabled it but also because they wanted to - I know this because I was the person they had to ask if they wanted additional time off for a child-related reason (or any other reason for that matter). I didn't stand for misogyny on my time and very rarely saw it as a result.

I've seen some appalling misogyny in other areas of the force and the Crown Prosecution Service - all of which I've called out. Is the problem solved? No, of course not. There's still far too much. But it's got a lot better and its refusal to disappear completely sadly reflects the society from which police officers are drawn. You'll never get a truly equal police force until you have a society and government that is demonstrably pro women.

Some cops are good. Some cops are bad. The bad ones are always in the news/TV documentaries because that's what gets viewing figures up and suits the government narrative to keep wages low. No one ever reported on the number of times me and my team talked someone down off a bridge, took someone to safety, reassured victims and prosecuted abusers, comforted someone who'd just been told their loved one has died, administered first aid at a road traffic collision etc. All those qualities of patience and empathy are qualities I'd actually consider quite desirable in a date tbh.

I did not join the police to control people. Like thousands of other officers I joined to help people. I was a victim of domestic abuse in a previous relationship and it was life-changing. The police who came out to me were great and I decided I wanted to join to help others like me. What I and many others realised is that you can't reason with unreasonable people. You NEED to have the legal power to physically stop someone beating up their partner/child/random person on the street if they don't want to stop voluntarily. That's vastly different from joining up to deliberately lord it over others. I always used my legal powers very sparingly but absolutely had no hesitation when it was necessary (such as searching a domestic abuser's home for a hidden device on which he was tracking his victim).

All that said, I wouldn't advise anyone to date a police officer unless they're also one or in a similar high-stress role. My long, happy marriage would not have lasted had DH not also been in the job and understood why I regularly couldn't finish work on time for something important, why I often came home and couldn't really interact with anyone because of what I'd just had to deal with, why I'd lie awake at night worrying if impossible decisions I made were going to result in someone dying and me going to prison. That part of dating someone in the job is less attractive admittedly.

Recognition of red flags is important. Using someone's profession as a red flag is more akin to random gambling and not a smart strategy. The waitress test on your first date would be far more accurate.

This….could’ve written it myself. My dad was in the MET for years. Good and bad in all walks of life 😊

mbonfield · 26/04/2024 09:12

You have to put this into context. Starting salaries were cut a number of years ago, zero recruitment for some time, crime levels up, no formal interviews. Result a total disaster and moral at an all time low.

No wonder there is a lack of perceived confidence in the Police plus the incompetence of the CPS and the lack of jail accommodation for those who get a jail sentence.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 26/04/2024 18:00

Using someone's profession as a red flag is more akin to random gambling and not a smart strategy.

Maybe, but what do you lose by being over-cautious rather than under-cautious about something that makes you wary? Nothing. Using someone's profession as a red flag does not stop you from looking out for other red flags in other people too. Nobody's saying 'I wouldn't date a police officer and that's my only red flag'. So why would it not be a smart strategy?

easylikeasundaymorn · 26/04/2024 19:00

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 26/04/2024 18:00

Using someone's profession as a red flag is more akin to random gambling and not a smart strategy.

Maybe, but what do you lose by being over-cautious rather than under-cautious about something that makes you wary? Nothing. Using someone's profession as a red flag does not stop you from looking out for other red flags in other people too. Nobody's saying 'I wouldn't date a police officer and that's my only red flag'. So why would it not be a smart strategy?

Why do you need others to justify your position though? If YOU don't want to date a police officer, don't. As you said yourself, you can choose who you want to date for whatever reason. But others don't need to agree it's a "smart strategy."

Just like if you decided "I'm not going to date anyone who can't do a cartwheel." Or "I'm not going to date anyone under 6 foot". Absolutely your decision, and you might have your reasons, but I'm entitled to think "that's a stupid reason to judge someone on."

1offnamechange · 26/04/2024 19:05

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 24/04/2024 18:30

But of course its tarring them all with the same brush - don't you understand what that saying means? It's when you make an assumption that all people of X (race/job/background) are the same, or exhibit similar values, or at the very least are significantly more likely than average to have/do/be it.

You wouldn't apply that to any other feature (on the balance of averages hairdressers are much more likely to be stupid than other professions, scottish people significantly tighter than other nationalities, black people are generally much better at sports than any other race) so why would you do it for this one specific job?

To 'play the averages' you'd have to assume that a significantly higher proportion of police officers are terrible people it's too much of a risk to date - but there are nearly 100,000 male police officers in the UK - if you added together every single one of the cases that had hit the press recently you wouldn't even get 0.5% of that.

Who would benefit/lose out from me not dating someone wasn't the question. I'm not arrogant enough to assume that me swiping the wrong way on a police officer on tinder would ruin his life. The question was would you date someone, and I would. Because I'd see them as a ONE, i.e. an individual and wouldn't make any assumptions about their character from their job. Just as I wouldn't if they held any other job.

No, it's you who are not understanding. Stating a fact, such as 'Statistically, people who do a certain job are more likely than average to do X' is absolutely, categorically not the same as saying 'All people who do a certain job do X'. Neither I, nor (I assume) anybody else on the thread, thinks that all male police officers are terrible people.

And actually, yes I would do it about other jobs, and other things too. Not things like race, because that's different. It's an inherent characteristic, unlike career, which is something you have chosen, which says something about you. Your examples about Scottish people and black people are just stereotypes and are not backed up by my own experience.

Do you actually HAVE any evidence that 'Statistically, [police officers] are more likely than average to do X?' though? If I'm assuming X is 'behave badly towards women they are in a relationship with?' or something along those lines.

Or is your evidence based on 'there have been some articles in the press recently about police officers so I'm assuming those officers are a proportional representation of the role rather than those cases are in the news for multiple reasons?'

FinkleFlint · 26/04/2024 19:09

1offnamechange · 26/04/2024 19:05

Do you actually HAVE any evidence that 'Statistically, [police officers] are more likely than average to do X?' though? If I'm assuming X is 'behave badly towards women they are in a relationship with?' or something along those lines.

Or is your evidence based on 'there have been some articles in the press recently about police officers so I'm assuming those officers are a proportional representation of the role rather than those cases are in the news for multiple reasons?'

There are figures like this:

The conviction rate of police officers and staff for domestic abuse is 3.4%, lower than the 6.3% in the general population.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/mar/17/80-percent-of-uk-police-accused-of-domestic-abuse-kept-jobs-figures-show

80% of UK police accused of domestic abuse kept jobs, figures show

Experts and campaigners say data is further evidence of misogyny in ranks and poor leadership

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/mar/17/80-percent-of-uk-police-accused-of-domestic-abuse-kept-jobs-figures-show

FinkleFlint · 26/04/2024 19:18

This research, conducted in the US and looking at correlations between DV and occupation, is also interesting:

— Men in "physically violent occupations" (i.e. police, military, correctional) 43 percent higher;
— Men in "female-dominated occupations", 47% higher;
— Men in "dangerous occupations" (i.e., working with explosives, mining, emergency workers), 23% higher.

https://www.workplaceviolence911.com/docs/20030316.htm

IN THE NEWS - Correlation Between Occupation and Domestic Violence Found

https://www.workplaceviolence911.com/docs/20030316.htm

Waitingfordoggo · 26/04/2024 19:22

The one about men in female dominated occupations is particularly disturbing. Some of them really hate us, huh?

Imagine spending your working day with women and feeling so enraged by it you have to go home and hit your wife. 😔

FinkleFlint · 26/04/2024 19:26

Waitingfordoggo · 26/04/2024 19:22

The one about men in female dominated occupations is particularly disturbing. Some of them really hate us, huh?

Imagine spending your working day with women and feeling so enraged by it you have to go home and hit your wife. 😔

Yeah it’s a horrible statistic

samestyle · 26/04/2024 19:28

I did go on a couple of first dates with met policeman pre covid, I'm only judging on a first meeting but neither of them seemed the least bit sleazy, very respectful and polite, didn't go in for a kiss, a bit too nice, they weren't for me so I didn't see them again. A few have committed awful crimes that have been in the press and tbh it would make me think twice if I was dating now, I guess you never know especially with online dating who they really are, you have to be on your guard with anyone. As for being cheats, well m

samestyle · 26/04/2024 19:29

Men from all professions could do that. There's worse professions I would avoid.

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 26/04/2024 22:40

"The Hidden Extent of Police Misconduct and Domestic Abuse Allegations:
The figures reported, concerning as they are, likely represent just the tip of the iceberg. Under-reporting and data inconsistencies suggest higher incident numbers. The National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC) has indicated that these reported cases amount to 0.7% of the police workforce as of March 2022."

1offnamechange · 26/04/2024 23:14

AllProperTeaIsTheft · 26/04/2024 22:40

"The Hidden Extent of Police Misconduct and Domestic Abuse Allegations:
The figures reported, concerning as they are, likely represent just the tip of the iceberg. Under-reporting and data inconsistencies suggest higher incident numbers. The National Police Chiefs’ Council (NPCC) has indicated that these reported cases amount to 0.7% of the police workforce as of March 2022."

that doesn't show that male police officers are more/less likely than men in general to abuse their partners though, does it?

and neither does fickleflint's. Albeit it is of course highly concerning that convictions for officers are lower, that doesn't mean that the acts committed are higher, those are 2 completely different things!

PyongyangKipperbang · 27/04/2024 01:52

Hell no.

One of my oldest and dearest friends joined the Met and her H joined about ten years later and he is the stereotype. HAted that she was successful and did so well, hated she outranked him, emotionally abused her and then eventually had an affair with a woman he met in the course of an investigation. AFAIK nothing was done. She is very happily remarried.

OCDmama · 27/04/2024 08:20

Nope. Two close friends married police officers (both met) and they are absolute wankers (one divorce so far, next very close). Cousin also about to break up with one.

There's a reason they've had to establish a unit to investigate themselves. Look at the stats around police and abuse. It's astounding.

Joan1996 · 20/07/2024 01:26

ACAB. What makes a person want to be a cop? Predators.

Lighteningstrikes · 20/07/2024 01:38

Yes I would.
I have personally known 3 completely solid ones, and they were all very senior in the Met.
I think you have to go by an individuals merit. There are scumbags in all walks of life.

Joan1996 · 20/07/2024 01:41

Bullies and control freaks .

Meadowfinch · 20/07/2024 02:59

I did, for 5 years.

He was kind, generous, funny, gentle, interesting, good to be with. They aren't all Wayne Couzens.

VashtaNerada · 26/07/2024 04:09

What makes a person want to be a cop?
It varies. Some people join because they like to exert power over others. A better recruitment, vetting and training programme could stop this (along with less pressure from government to recruit more officers regardless of who they are).
Others, like DH, joined to protect the vulnerable. And he does. Day in, day out. Every time a terrible story comes out about a police officer he questions why he stays but each time I remind him how much good he’s done and how much good he can keep doing if he stays. I’m very, very proud of him.

TheRakesTale · 26/07/2024 08:55

Deepdivesueandyou · 23/04/2024 22:30

there is a saying...

Fireman cheat, policeman beat.

Always proves true IME.

Wtf?
No, that is not a saying

Gloooooop · 26/07/2024 09:09

Yes of course I would.

LoudOtter · 20/08/2024 06:05

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