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Am I being OTT? Husband and my best friend…

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Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 10:35

I don’t know why I’m doing this thread. Probably because I can’t stomach telling real life people yet. I don’t know if I’m overreacting or underreacting or what. Please can you help me see through it?

A couple of weeks ago, my closest friend came to stay with us. She’s a long-term friend, very close, visits frequently and was my bridesmaid etc.

I got a babysitter and my friend, me and my H went out for a couple of drinks and to meet some other friends in the pub.

After coming home, I went to bed as it was late and my turn to get up with the baby in the morning. My H and friend stayed up listening to music and drinking some more. They went into another separate part of the house so the music didn’t disturb me or the baby. This isn’t unusual and more often than not, I’d be there too or my H wouldn’t.

In the morning, I picked up on a vibe. I just had a feeling. Never had it before. My friend was overly bright. She came back over very early. My husband very quiet. After my friend went home, I asked him outright if something had happened and he said no.

It niggled me for a couple of days and I suddenly recalled there’s external CCTV that covers that portion of the house, after we were burgled. So I viewed it. And I saw, clearly, that my friend approached my husband and put her arms around his neck and he wrapped his arms around her. They stayed like this, then it became dancing, then it became standing with their faces very close together talking, then they kissed albeit relatively brief and not a passionate one, and then they danced some more and then they separated. My H then immediately text me something inane, and probably guilty in hindsight.

The whole thing lasted around six minutes. It looked very intimate and intense. It makes me throw up viewing it.

Afterwards, they both went to bed separately. I’m fairly certain nothing else happened between them.

I have confronted the pair of them. My H claims he was crying about something and she comforted him, and he enjoyed the comfort. He’s very, very shame faced, upset and apologetic. My friend is trying to emotionally manipulate me into getting over it. Both attempted to rewrite it and minimise it until I informed them I’d seen it on CCTV.

I had expected DARVO from the pair of them due to the creepy surveillance aspect, but neither did. I find that telling.

My H is living in a separate part of the house. Complicated lives mean he cannot leave fully currently. I have ended my friendship. I have asked my H for a separation.

The real kicker here is my H, while very fond of my friend, is twitchy when I go out with her alone because she habitually seeks male attention and he feared I might do similar. She’s very beautiful and very clever and men fall at her feet. The hypocrisy of him lapping it up when she sought his attention is keeping me up at night.

I feel utterly sick and so betrayed. I have lost so much weight, I cannot eat and I cannot sleep. I feel I have lost two of the most important people to me.

But am I overreacting to end my marriage over this? They didn’t sleep together, the kiss was relatively brief, we have very small children, very entwined lives and a very long history.

And before anyone comes at me, I’m not holding her more responsible than him. She initiated the initial contact but he went with it. They both kissed each other. He’s married to me. Not her. Nor am I routinely into surveillance. It just suddenly occurred to me we had a camera and it was sheer dumb luck, or misfortune in their case, that they were visible.

Sorry this is long. I’ve not spoken to anyone about it.

OP posts:
Maray1967 · 22/04/2024 16:37

Maybe she is regretful and wishes she’d never done it. But it sounds like she’s got form, and I’d find it very difficult ever to spend time with someone like that.

Please try to push away any negative feelings about yourself - for trusting them. Trust is what there should be between spouses and close friends. We all have a right to expect that our spouse and friends will behave decently - especially under our own roof. If we never trust anyone close to us, our lives would be difficult. You had the right to expect you could trust them. They broke that trust.

For now, do whatever you need to do to keep functioning. He has no right to expect answers from you. If it suits you, stay together on a practical level for now. You can plan to end it later when you are better able to cope.

Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 16:37

Pookerrod · 22/04/2024 15:07

Personally, I probably couldn’t get past this. You can’t unsee what you have seen. I can understand why it makes you feel sick to your stomach.

The hardest part for me would be the lying. Had you not had a security camera they would still be gaslighting you. I couldn’t live with that.

However, all that said, I wouldn’t be rushing to make a decision about ending my marriage. If I was in your shoes, I hope that I would take my time, try to see if I could get past it, and review my feelings in 6 months or so. But that is very theoretical and much easier said than done.

I do wish you all the best

The hardest part for me would be the lying. Had you not had a security camera they would still be gaslighting you. I couldn’t live with that

This is a big part of what I’m really struggling with.

OP posts:
Maray1967 · 22/04/2024 16:39

That is understandable- and he needs to accept that.

Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 16:41

something2say · 22/04/2024 15:16

I think she is silly and likes the attention - and her own not very good relationship isn't right for her and she is thirsty for something more. She may find it easy to 'get' men, and she got drunk and massively over stepped to meet her needs, and now she has lost her best friend and made a terrible mistake.

I think he - he has kept secrets from you before now and he tried to keep this a secret, but it has come out and he is gutted. Let's see what he does next.

My worry is that they are a bit of a weak pair - she isn't sorting her life out and is using her looks to meet her needs, and now what has she done? A big mistake this time. Is she the sort to blame herself and own it? Or is she shallow and will offload it and bury the loss of you OP?

And him, he kept secrets from you before and he would have kept this a secret too - he has low integrity and is a bit weak. Is he good enough for you?

That's the crux of it - are these two good enough for you?

On the one hand, I would hate to be judged by my stupidest moment. I would hate to be forever reminded of my worst actions. It makes me find it easier to forgive others and overlook their stupidest moments.

On the other hand, I would ask myself why I made myself vulnerable to a weak man and had female friends who are not that bright really, not bright enough to self analyse.

But that's life. I myself am not always that bright. But I do try hard not to hurt others and I do act with integrity. It just makes me sigh with disappointment.

I think the man is not strong enough OP, to trust, to look at the same. Let's see. Hands off the steering wheel, let's see what he is made of.

As for your friend, she needs to take a long hard look. Are you going to talk to your friend in the middle? Find out how your ex best friend is feeling?

Just make sure you have money and safety created by yourself, just in case. I always say women need two things in life - friends and money. Make that, money.

I’ve ended the friendship and asked that she respect I don’t wish to speak with her about it. She sent me a load of manipulative bollocks by text.

The third friend has, not at my instigation, also severed the friendship.

OP posts:
TeaGinandFags · 22/04/2024 16:42

Tell H that you need time to process what happened, but he needs to leave if only got the time being.

Take the counselling but for yourself. Let him do the running around and see what he comes up with. You owe him nothing and you need to be by yourself so you can reorientate yourself. Give him hope but make no promises.

Go out and have fun without him. Try a new hobby. You need a sense of yourself. Give it a minimum of 6 months before making any firm decisions.

Bunbum · 22/04/2024 16:43

The so called ‘friend’ can absolutely fuck right OFF. The husband is dependent on how he is acting right now. If the prospect of a breakup has him on his knees begging for forgiveness/crying etc then I’d think he is pretty regretful. I’d need to smell regret seeping from his pores though. Know your worth, you sound like a lovely lady.

cerisepanther73 · 22/04/2024 16:43

@Totalfuckingshitshow

I wouldn't trust them either 🤷 if the opportunity ever arose again,

I think emotional intimacy like that is definately cheating too,

She comes across as an very emotionally selfish and needy and immature manipulative woman who needs allmost constantly validation from men especially married ones to boost her ego and to shore up against her against her insecurities

Good looks are fleeting, she won't be able to rely on her youthful acctractive good looks for ever in that regard,

"Her kind of attitude 🙄 could come back to bite her on the arse"down the line too,

If she falls hook line and sinker for someone in the future, and that person does the dirty on her..

She hasn't got much going for her as her personality/ character is shit 💩 really...

Rania78 · 22/04/2024 16:46

Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 16:41

I’ve ended the friendship and asked that she respect I don’t wish to speak with her about it. She sent me a load of manipulative bollocks by text.

The third friend has, not at my instigation, also severed the friendship.

Well done OP and please make your other friends aware when you are ready sonthat they severe ties as well. And If she has a partner/husband, please make him aware as well.

cerisepanther73 · 22/04/2024 16:46

@Totalfuckingshitshow

She sounds like a predatory female to watch out for,

Really don't like the sound of this kind of female..

Mumofteenandtween · 22/04/2024 16:47

Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 16:41

I’ve ended the friendship and asked that she respect I don’t wish to speak with her about it. She sent me a load of manipulative bollocks by text.

The third friend has, not at my instigation, also severed the friendship.

I don’t blame the third friend. Who would want to be friends with someone who is comfortable kissing their friend’s husband?

LookOverHere · 22/04/2024 16:49

I can totally understand feeling sick. That moment when you realise you’ve been betrayed is awful, sends you into a tailspin of what to believe, what to do, and can be extremely disorienting. I think now is a time for you to stabilise, do a lot of self care, a lot of nice things for yourself to calm your heart and soul, and I agree with other posters about taking space and time and not making any rash decisions. Marriages can survive things like this. Was this a one off? Is this an otherwise good relationship? Is he willing to repair things? I don’t think friendships can survive things like this. I’m not judging you at all, but I remember my mum warning me about alcohol lowering inhibitions and leaving problematic female friends who need male attention alone with my boyfriends, because of bitter experience. Wish you peace x

Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 16:52

Bunbum · 22/04/2024 16:43

The so called ‘friend’ can absolutely fuck right OFF. The husband is dependent on how he is acting right now. If the prospect of a breakup has him on his knees begging for forgiveness/crying etc then I’d think he is pretty regretful. I’d need to smell regret seeping from his pores though. Know your worth, you sound like a lovely lady.

Thank you. He’s not actually done anything. Only whatever I’ve asked like to move over to the other part of the house, and to apparently answer my questions. I questions all his answers though. He’s been uncomfortably honest about some things but I can’t help but expect everything dripfeeding damage limitation bullshit.

It’s not fun feeling like this. I’m exhausted, I’m anxious, I’m so unhappy.

OP posts:
Mostlyoblivious · 22/04/2024 16:54

Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 11:20

I think this is what I need to find out. I just know I won’t get a straight answer though. It feels like they both wanted damage limitation as I confronted them both, separately, and asked for honesty before revealing my hand. I didn’t get it.

That’s your answer. There won’t be honesty going forward. Are you okay with that lack of trust? That’s what this all boils down to.
Theyve behaved terribly, I’m sorry you’re in this position.

EatCrow · 22/04/2024 16:54

Mom2K · 22/04/2024 14:49

So she is known to be a big flirt/is an attention seeker - and your DH thought it would be ok to have her stay in your house and spend alone time with her after you went to bed? 🤨

He doesn't trust you to not act like her and then allows this to happen? Yes, it is the height of hypocrisy. Drinking is no excuse, he shouldn't have allowed the circumstances in the first place.

I would be asking myself if this 6 minute moment, is worse loosing everything you have currently over?

I think it is indeed worth ending the marriage, and the friendship. This 6 minute incident is no small thing. I think it will forever shift the dynamic of the relationship going forward if it continues. I don't see how OP could ever trust that he wouldn't repeat this behaviour...and the hypocrisy of it would be difficult to get over. I could never respect him going forward. The fact he put himself in that situation at all would forever have me viewing him as an idiot with double standards. And the fact it happened at all is hurtful enough but for it to occur with my friend would be too much. But that's just how I would feel about it all, everyone is different. But for me, this would be over.

Edited

All of this whilst you were upstairs with his baby in the home you made together. I’d hate to think how much lower he could go.

Flopsy145 · 22/04/2024 16:55

If my DH had come clean before finding out myself I would probably be able to get over it. I think in the grand scheme of things it's a big thing to break up the marriage for, but I would personally really struggle to not always think about it. I think some time apart to see if mentally you can move past it would be good. Despite the initial lie and not coming clean he's at least being apologetic and knows he fucked up. It's down to you really to know if it's something you can forgive and forget, I could do the former in time but not the latter.

Crumpleton · 22/04/2024 16:56

My husband very quiet. After my friend went home, I asked him outright if something had happened and he said no.

I haven't read all the posts but to me your DH had a chance to come clean and only admitted to you what he'd done when you told him you had proof and had seen them, would he have continued to deny it if you hadn't of had?

Is it cheating? Do you guys see it as cheating? It feels like cheating.

A peck on the cheek when parting ways isn't cheating what your DH and friend did was behind your back and then denied, your friend didn't even seem to care about your feelings when you said about the CCTV.

In all honesty as he's living in a separate part of the house I'd continue like that, don't go on a knee jerk decisions, until you feel ready to make a solid choice as to what you want.

This is something that you should be in charge of not your DH.
Don't feel manipulated into making a decision that's not right for yourself.

emmypa · 22/04/2024 16:57

I don't think being drunk is an excuse either. They wouldn't have wrapped their arms around each other if you'd been in the room would they? Of course not, they weren't so drunk not to know to wait until you were out of site.

Viviennemary · 22/04/2024 16:58

Ditch the friend. Up to you if you can move on from what your DH did. Do what suits you best. Friend should be totally barred from your house and life. She sounds toxic.

Totalfuckingshitshow · 22/04/2024 16:59

Thanks everyone. Sorry for the big influx of posts, I was just catching up after the school run.

I’ve made it plain to him that any ‘fixing’ of our relationship, whether that’s to be together, friends and co-parents or just civil co-parents, it’s on him to sort. All of it.

I’m going to choke down some food and go to the gym.

I’ll be back, almost every post has been valuable and helpful. I’m extremely grateful. It’s brought clarity to a lot of it and made me realise some things I hadn’t identified.

OP posts:
AlwaysGinPlease · 22/04/2024 17:03

All of this whilst you were upstairs with his baby in the home you made together. I’d hate to think how much lower he could go

Indeed! OP you deserve so much better.

JenniferBooth · 22/04/2024 17:04

Londonismyjam · 22/04/2024 12:46

DARVO = Deny and Reverse Victim and Offender

Deny Accuse Reverse Victim Offender

AGodawfulsmallaffair · 22/04/2024 17:07

anonqrtb · 22/04/2024 10:45

I am strong believer of good people can make bad choices, but it doesnt make them bad people.

I would be asking myself if this 6 minute moment, is worse loosing everything you have currently over?

Yes, he is a shit bag who made a bad choice in a moment of drinking, not an excuse - but a fact. Would he EVER do this when sober?

Personally, i dont think i would end my marriage over this - but this is also dependant on how he is acting right now, and whether he is willing to put in the work to fix the issues hes created.

I've been through similar, and we are still together and if anything - happier than ever. My inbox is always open should you need an impartial ear to vent too x

@Totalfuckingshitshow this is very good advice. I think the friend has to go, but so many things happen when people are drunk that they would never want to do sober. I’ve seen a lot worse than this. Take him up on therapy and see how it goes, how genuine you think he is, and how you feel in a few weeks.

Despair1 · 22/04/2024 17:09

I can understand how hurt and betrayed you are. Please don't make any rash decisions, you are married and have young children so I am not convinced you should go for divorce based on this alone. Wait some time for emotions to settle and engage in some serious conversation with your husband. I am not making excuses for him but I recall having too much wine with a neighbour once and what was a friendly conversation rolled over to what could have been something more intimate. It didn't because I put the breaks on. They lied because they were embarrassed about what happened. I know that hurts but please do not rush into any rash decisions. Let your husband do the talking when the time is right.
They didn't sleep together, please try and keep some perspective on this. I am not undermining your shock and hurt. You have every right to feel as you do. Please take care of yourself, moment by moment

TitanTins · 22/04/2024 17:13

@Totalfuckingshitshow

I think from what you described on the CCTV, this sounds like the first time they’ve behaved that way. If it had happened before, I think they’d have seized the opportunity to be intimate and done more - and less gradually. That your DH texted afterwards equates to immediate guilt. If they’d done this before, I think he’d have been ‘desensitised’ to the situation - and not felt that guilt.

CinnamonJellyBeans · 22/04/2024 17:13

Bin him.